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Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2

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nauticant · 13/09/2022 11:15

The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony started on 12 September.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets.

To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (?? September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (?? September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - Not yet available
Dr Belinda Bell: Not yet available
Beverley Jackson: Not yet available
Kate Harris: Not yet available
Eileen Gallagher: Not yet available

Submissions:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

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guinnessguzzler · 13/09/2022 11:16

Thanks for the new thread, this is how I am following for now. Sounds like it is all going well!

ickky · 13/09/2022 11:17

Thank you

ickky · 13/09/2022 11:18

That's a lovely Opening Post. Grin

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 11:18

Thanks Nauticant

Chrysanthemum5 · 13/09/2022 11:19

I just don't know if I can bear to listen to JM any more. He's so pleased with himself and happily throws away the rights of women and children

FacebookPhotos · 13/09/2022 11:19

Thanks for the thread. I might be able to watch some of this afternoon - do I email the same people as the Alison Bailey tribunal?

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 11:19

Chrysanthemum5 · 13/09/2022 11:19

I just don't know if I can bear to listen to JM any more. He's so pleased with himself and happily throws away the rights of women and children

I know - my brain is switching off.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2022 11:19

Thanks for new thread. PMK.

LolaDrek · 13/09/2022 11:19

How long is it likely to last? Twitter makes it sound like mermaids are making fools of themselves but I don’t know if it’s my Twitter echo chamber?

dworky · 13/09/2022 11:19

Typical misogynist windbag

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 11:20

FacebookPhotos · 13/09/2022 11:19

Thanks for the thread. I might be able to watch some of this afternoon - do I email the same people as the Alison Bailey tribunal?

See opening post above

Mmmnotsure · 13/09/2022 11:20

KM: Have you read the Cass Review?

JN: I've read a summary of it.

wtf

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 11:21

JN: I am very important.

Judge - Can I get a word in please? Oooh.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/09/2022 11:21

Judge - 'can i get a word in, please?'

He's complaining that he's too busy to stay for any more questions.

dworky · 13/09/2022 11:22

Tell him to answer the questions rather than pontificate on his on views.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 13/09/2022 11:24

Nice to see he’s pissing the judge off as much as he’s pissing us off

and nice to see her instructing him to get back in his box

he must go through his life with people treating him that way. It would make me profoundly uncomfortable but I guess he must like it?

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 11:26

I love that we have female judges.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/09/2022 11:26

The man's ego is, just...off the charts.

He's probably used to it, but is so full of his own importance, he thinks it's their fault for not recognising and witnessing of the glory of him.

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 11:28

From Twitter

'I would be outside kicking a bin. I don't know how KM is staying so calm.'

😂

yourhairiswinterfire · 13/09/2022 11:29

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 11:26

I love that we have female judges.

I bet he's seething that Judge is female, the barrister is female, and he can't just hit the block button.

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 11:30

Yourhair - yes it is glorious

AlisonDonut · 13/09/2022 11:30

This is wild.

I hope they find some facts to counter his statements in the break...

Datun · 13/09/2022 11:31

KM - Have you read the Cass Review?

JN - I have read a short summary.

KM - asking for a break.

JN - I have other duties, we are 90 minutes in and we haven't yet discussed their charitable duties.

Mate, it's not your show. Good lord above.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/09/2022 11:34

Exactly, Datun.

As KM rightly said, 'if you answer the questions i'm actually asking you, we'll get there faster'.

I know he thinks the world revolves around him, but the Judge clearly disagrees.

ickky · 13/09/2022 11:34

Datun · 13/09/2022 11:31

KM - Have you read the Cass Review?

JN - I have read a short summary.

KM - asking for a break.

JN - I have other duties, we are 90 minutes in and we haven't yet discussed their charitable duties.

Mate, it's not your show. Good lord above.

Yes he is very keen to be asked about LGBA charitable aims, I really hope KM doesn't ask him about them whatsoever.

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