Would you say non-white people born & raised in England are English?

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Just thought I should hear people’s perspective on this.

Some say it’s an ethnicity, some say it’s a nationality & others say it’s both of them.

I personally think it’s both a Nationality & ethnic group.

If someone says they are from England, they are denoting their nationality as English even if they don’t say it outright. It’s the same thing.

Of course they are.

Yes

Yes, they are English

Yes.

Much more likely to say they’re British.

Of course they are.

Of course.

Id be more likely to say British but I wouldn't think twice if they said English. Entirely up to them.

It’s not a nationality though is it? It’s a label for a region of a nationality. Same as Scottish or Welsh.

I would say British nationality and English ethnicity.

Of course. They will probably have some sense of another place too(I'm half Hungarian and feel English and a bit Hungarian).
Though of course this depends on if their parents/grandparents/great grandparents sre English too.

Yes, of course, although I have met people of colour who have rejected it themselves, for example I described someone as English-Indian and he corrected me to say he was British-Indian. As far as I know, he had no connection with other parts of Britain than England so it was a preference for British. When you look at maps where people identify as British first before English, there's a concentration around multi-cultural areas.

You wouldn't find that in Wales so much i.e. a person would be Welsh-Somali or Welsh-Pakistani.

I think so, but then again I am one of those people. That said, whether they post here or not, there are an awful lot of people who don’t agree. The rise of the far right is testament to that. I am occasionally in the media for work stuff. The number of “go home” and racist messages I get simply for being visible in public rather than related to my work is astonishing - and rising.

As a Welsh person, I definitely consider it my nationality, even if my passport says British.

If you can't accept that, maybe you can call it a 'national identity'.

@MynameisnotJohn, their national identity would be English since they were born & still living in England. Most people from England say they are British tho instead of English. Even people that have ancestry dating back years in the nation

I can't believe this is even still a question. 😟

Yes.

Yes, although I was born and raised in England and I don’t consider myself English. I have Irish citizenship and an Irish passport. I did a DNA test recently and it came back that I was 99% Irish and 1% Spanish. I spent every single holiday in Ireland and was surrounded by the Irish culture in England.

Of course they are. Why wouldn't they be. White people born and raised in England would be English so there's no difference.

Their parents' passport might have a bearing on it but if their parents have citizenship then yes.

Yes. If I'm white, but born and raised in an Asian or African country, I'd be for example, Kenyan or Vietnamese. Only a close-minded/sheltered/ignorant/uneducated/racist person would think otherwise.

Not these days, no.

Why do you ask?

Rishi Sunak is a good example, he says he is British, English and British Asian.

Why?

Yes if they're British citizen (or dual)