AIBU to think that females, however they identify, should never be admitted to male mental health wards?

[borntobequiet]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/nhs-thwarted-inquiry-rape-trans-patient-male-ward-ph266nnrk

Archived article:
https://archive.ph/rh9kF

We need provision for specifically trans people at this point. Transgender bathrooms, wards, etc. It's very segregatey but honestly seems to be the only way to keep trans people safe from men. If a trans woman was put in an all male ward they'd probably be at risk too for presenting feminine.

We could stick all trans people in with women, but that's a bit unfair when women also might not feel safe around biological males. Which is understandable, really.

But the biggest issue in this is how easily men will rape and sexusally assault anyone who is not a cis man. Even mentally ill they're not raping all the other men on the ward, but the moment a trans person goes in... Rape. So you can't blame the mental illness else they'd be raping everyone else in the ward already too.

Men are a big problem and I dunno why we're beating around the bush about it and blaming everyone else BUT them for it.

@Agix Agree with this aspect We need provision for specifically trans people at this point. Transgender bathrooms, wards, etc.
not so much the rest…
It's very segregatey but honestly seems to be the only way to keep trans people safe from men. If a trans woman was put in an all male ward they'd probably be at risk too for resenting feminine. What about keeping females safe from trans identifying males? Like the woman who was raped by a male on an alleged “females only ward” and was gaslight and lied to that this couldn’t have happened as “no men” on the ward.

We could stick all trans people in with women, but that's a bit unfair when women also might not feel safe or biological males.

and a bit unfair?! Really? How to dull it down..! What about those women who have significant trauma? Are they an inconvenience?

This was utter insanity and those responsible should be on trial. The cover up is an utter disgrace.

There needs to be an inquiry into the situation in the NHS because woman seem unsafe in their care as both staff and patients.

If a trans woman was put in an all male ward they'd probably be at risk too for presenting feminine.

A transwoman would be very much a risk for female patients if put on a female ward. We have many examples of what can happen from prisons.

We need provision that’s separate for some people, side wards, separate wards or other arrangements, each individual needs to be treated as such and provided for as appropriate to them.

I understand that this is contrary to the majority of NHS trust policies, which say that patients should be able to choose which facilities they feel best suit them.

Love how your default is to stick everyone in with women but then say it might be “a bit unfair”. I’m sure women everywhere thank you for your condescension. If trans people are unsafe or scared in spaces designated for their sex, surely that is what Stonewall et al should have been working on rather than bullying women. Maybe take it up with them.

So you would put female who say they are men in the same wards as men who say they are women? And this will do what exactly?

That’s appalling. Segregate by sex. Don’t impede the police investigation- I hope they are prosecuted for that.

And don’t ask fucking Kelly Malone, the domestic abuser, for his opinions om sex crimes. What relevance was that?

Men are a big problem and I dunno why we're beating around the bush about it and blaming everyone else BUT them for it.

Men are the problem so why are you suggesting that some men (transwomen) can be placed in womens wards.

It's a disgrace that this female patient was put at risk and it it would be equally disgraceful to put other females at risk by placing any man in a ward with them no matter how that man identifies.

I expect that if we have male and female trans wards then they'll be moaning it's "outing them". When we can see with our eyes what sex they are.

Hospital wards should be single sex only. (As should prisons, sport etc).

When I was sectioned, twice I’ve had trans women on my ward.
(so opposite way round from your article I think). I found it fine.

I dont know the solution.
Nhs doesnt have money for side rooms and seperate trans wards.
Half joking perhaps we need to id by body parts - if you have a penis you go there, a vagina you go there
Its always women (women at birth) who are the most venerable whether they stay a women or become a trans man.

A friend of mine was sectioned, a long time ago now. Her mental illness made her absolutely terrified of men.

There was a trans identifying man / transwoman locked up with her, & the staff insisted that he was a woman. That should never, ever have happened.

Maloney is being very careful to say that ‘anyone with a vagina’ shouldn’t be in with men so I take that to mean he’s saying transwomen who have had genital surgery should get to be with the actual women. No. They shouldn’t. Just like this woman should never have been put with the actual men.

Many other women would not find it "fine", however and placing men - HOWEVER they see themselves - in wards designated for women is against the law.

It does have to be about the bodies people were born with, not whether they’ve had alterations since.

Lucky you. The woman who was raped by a transwoman on a NHS ward (and the NHS tried to cover that one up too), wasn't so lucky.

The whole thing is appalling. Even if the woman in question had wanted to be on the male ward she should have been saved from her delusions by the system. The NHS needs to get a fucking grip. And anyone obstructing the justice system should be dealt with properly.

Only a very small number of trans identifying men bother with the procedure to invert their penis, harvest tissue from their anus and create an artificial hole in their body (which is what they mean by ‘vagina’ here).

When you adopt a policy of putting trans identifying men into women’s mental health spaces, you’re dropping ‘intact’ males in with the very vulnerable female patients. ‘Transwomen’ offend at the same rates as the wider male population.

Nothing magically happens to male levels of aggression and offending when you throw wrong-sex hormones into the mix.

a woman had a baby while in a COMA in a care setting. So it's not just even the patients you have to worry about, it's the staff too 😢

Yes, exactly.

Since trans people are such a tiny portion of the world, it makes sense to put them in separate side rooms to keep everyone safe. I don’t know what the solution would be in prisons which are overstretched as it is so I’d love to say they could have a separate cell but…

Unless things have changed massively in the last few years, our local, very large geographically mental health trust did t have male and female wards. Single rooms but mixed

If the ward is for men then, by law, it must be only for men and that is defined by biology. The FWS vs Scottish Ministers in the Supreme Court clarified that in April 2025. The same for women.

Men attacking anyone needs to be sorted but not by infringing women's rights.

Just to point out that the photo the Times has used is Kings College Hospital Foundation across the road from the Maudsley, , KCH and the Maudsley are not part of the same Trust. Lazy work, The Times!

However this case is disgraceful, and whatever the rights , wrongs and considerations around the safety of Trans patients, the cover up was scandalous, abd IMO shows how gender ideology is seeping into medical ethics. How can we trust these people?