Can I ask what is this?

[Imsuchamess]

A male friend knows best female friend was sexually abused badly as a child, and has a psychotic illness. That during times when she is psychotic she believes her blood is poison and by sleeping with men God will punish abusers rapists and peadophilles will be punished.

If said friend knows she is on a psychotic episode and decides screw it let's have sex with her. What would you say that was?

[JennyOnTheBlocks]

I would say your male acquaintance is anything but a friend and is abusing a vulnerable person

[cailindana]

Rape.

[rootypig]

Rape, legally and morally.

[ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy]

Rape.

[ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy]

English/welsh law:

The word 'consent' in the context of the offence of rape is now defined in the Sexual Offences Act 2003. A person consents if she or he agrees by choice, and has the freedom and capacity to make that choice. The essence of this definition is the agreement by choice. The law does not require the victim to have physically resisted in order to prove a lack of consent. The question of whether the victim consented is a matter for the jury to decide, although the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) considers this issue very carefully throughout the life of a case.

The woman in question does not have capacity to make the choice; the man in question is well aware of that.


And why does he want to penetrate his "friend" under such circumstances?

[Thumbwitch]

At the very least it's taking advantage of a vulnerable person and as such is morally reprehensible - at worst, it could be classified as rape if she is incapable of making a rational choice to agree to sex.

[CaptChaos]

It's rape. And it's morally reprehensible. What a fucking peach he sounds.

[SevenZarkSeven]

Well I'd say he was an absolute bastard and clearly not her friend at all.

HTH.

[Imsuchamess]

Thanks all this happened to me on a recent episode. I felt confused as to the violation and flashbacks I have been having. But I'm too scared to report it as I feel it would be pointless and cause me more hurt.

Yet it is hurting so much and I feel like I can't tell anyone as I technically gave consent.

[SevenZarkSeven]

I have not used them but other people recommend rape crisis a lot for people who need someone to talk to.

Could you speak to whoever looks after your mental health about this?

I am so sorry that someone you viewed as your best friend did this to you. If you want to talk about it on here we will listen. I can't imagine how betrayed you must be feeling. Do you have any other close friends you could talk to?

[ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy]

OP, we believe you.

You may have given consent but not have had the capacity to give that consent. Please do call rape crisis to talk things through if that would help

[cailindana]

I'm so sorry to hear it was you that suffered such a terrible betrayal. He's an absolute bastard and he should never have done that to you. I would also recommend rape crisis, they will talk things through with you and then you can decide on your next course of action.

What sort of support and treatment do you have for your illness? Is there someone in real life that you trust and can talk to?

[cailindana]

It's very obvious from what you say that you absolutely did not consent. That fuckwit took total advantage of your illness and in no way are you to blame for that.

[JennyOnTheBlocks]

Please call Rape Crisis, they will help you

[CaptChaos]

OP, I believe you.

As Seven suggested, you could call rape crisis, who are really good and helpful. They should be able to help you. Do you have a MH worker? Would there be any value to you in speaking to them? You don't have to report it, but you might find it easier to cope with if you have support from your worker.

You were in a vulnerable state, this man took terrible advantage of you, you could not have consented to sex, in the same way as you could not consent to medical intervention. I am so very sorry this happened to you.

[Imsuchamess]

Thank you he has a girlfriend and has just announced on Facebook that he is now getting engaged. I want to warn her what a bastard he is but I don't have the strength to right now. He hasn't spoken to me since and I haven't seen him. I just can't believe he threw all those years of friendship away.

I will call rape crisis. My illness is scizoaffective disorder and I have regular meetings with mental hcp. My illness is now well under control. But I'm left scarred and feeling sick. He has known for years I have this illness. He knew what happens when I'm ill. He also knew how it makes me feel afterword this not being my first episode. I am just afraid now of the next episode if I can't trust my best friend to say no who can I trust?

Even strangers notice something is wrong but usually I am accused of being on drugs speed if I'm up. But just drugs if I'm down. So it's not exactly easily mistaken for me being of sound mind.

[rootypig]

OP I'm so sorry that this abuse has happened to you - in childhood, and the rape by your friend.

Please don't feel that you can't tell anyone because you technically gave consent. The law was changed just over ten years ago, to emphasise the need for material consent, and absolutely makes provision for whether the complainant is well and able to consent.

Please contact the police and/or Rape Crisis, who will be able to advise you.

[rootypig]

Sorry OP, cross post. What an utter bastard. Am so glad to hear you're going to call Rape Crisis. x

[scallopsrgreat]

I haven't got much to add Imsuchamess. Just very sorry you went through that. Hope you are OK and can get some RL support if you want it.

x

[Thumbwitch]

What an utter git he is. Definitely call Rape Crisis and see what they say about it and if they can offer yiu any help. So sorry that this shit let you down like this.