These women don't need feminism

[Sallystyle]

Something to make your blood boil


www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2014/07/24/women-against-feminism.html#667f8e70-9f9c-4ef4-a7c6-0b3efc48935e

[OhMyArsingGodInABox]

Those women don't UNDERSTAND feminism though.

Ugh. It's things like this that make me think we are fighting a losing battle.

[BunnyLebowski]

Urgh. Depressing.

I like this woman's responses though

[7Days]

The only one that makes a valid point is the one that says My Sex Life Is Not A Political Agenda. I disagree but I understand teh viewpoint.

the rest are just...misinformed. Rejecting something that doesn't exist under the label of something that does. A pity

[RhubarbRhubarbRhubarb]

Some of the comments at the end were just awful. I know i shouldn't read them...
It turns my stomach what's said.

[MiniTheMinx]

Too irritated to read all of it. Especially irritated by number nine. "I am not oppressed" no you are reaping the benefits of all the women who went before you and the rest of us who challenge the system now, to ensure you can enjoy some semblance of "equality" It's just ignorance, proof that we need more feminism not less.

[IdealistAndProudOfIt]

Quote no 2 "i'm anti-feminist, pro-equality". Lol.

The term 'feminism' (+derivatives) has been hijacked to mean that very loud bolshy penis- hating kind of woman - Not sure i'm explaining that very well but don't know how to describe it better! I've heard it used in that sense loads and wanted to dissociate from it in the past. A great crime. Not sure how we can take it back really, how do you return from OTT to moderate rational approaches in anything...

If anyone agreeing with those women stumbles across this thread, feminism means being pro-equality, nothing more. .

[Bluestocking]

There are 3.5 billion women in the world, some of them are bound to be twerps. Don't let it rile you.

[PetulaGordino]

i am not a feminist for myself. i'm a feminist for other women (whether they want me or not )

[PetulaGordino]

i am not just a feminist for myself

[Wonc]

I look at this and think these women are doing it, perhaps unconsciously, to get a pat on the head from the patriarchy.

Lie down and play innocent so they can't get me.

[TerrariaMum]

I've seen this a few times around my blogroll. They all seem a bit 'I'm all right, Jack' to me. The concept that other people might need feminism passes them by.

[ApocalypseThen]

Good for them. Hopefully all women all over the world will join them in not needing feminism this century.

[SevenZarkSeven]

Agree with terraria.

[SevenZarkSeven]

As a feminist I hope none of them do!

But I know exactly what you mean...!

For a lot of them it will come with BABIES which tend to sound the death knell of the illusion of equality for a lot of women in the west.

[SevenZarkSeven]

There's just such a spectacular lack of interest / concern for anyone else.

Mind boggling.

Was I ever that self centred when I was young (not that all of them are young but YKWIM). Answer = probably

[weatherall]

Up until I was 19 and became a feminist I would probably have come out with this kind of rubbish.

I didn't feel particularly discriminated against and assumed that things like unequal pay, discrimination in employment, sexual harassment, assault etc wouldn't happen to me. Youthful stupidity, sigh.

Hopefully they'll learn. Hopefully without anything bad happening to prompt it.

idealist for me being pro equality is being an equalist. A feminist is a proponent of women's liberation.

[CaptChaos]

There is a rebuttal here.

I really do hope that the women in the original don't slam up hard against life. It's a deeply unpleasant feeling when you do.

[SevenZarkSeven]

That's a US cultural theme as well though isn't it chunderella I got the sense that some/many of the women were from that part of the world. So to our culturally socialist eyes it seems even more extreme.

[Stressing]

They don't understand feminism, simple as that. It has nothing to do with liking comments from the opposite sex, or what they are wearing or how many men they sleep with. It's about reconising women are marginalised, have fewer choices in life, are judged harshly, have double standards imposed on them that serve to confuse and thus repress. It's about how women in comparison to men have to be more obedient than men in order to 'fit in', and that men enjoy privileges and a degree of liberation that is over an above the degree women enjoy - deeming our society unequal. It's about men on other shores demanding women cover their bodies from head to toe because of how it makes THEM feel, it's about men taking control of women's bodies through GFM, sexual violence, domestic violence and it's about men's sense of ownership over women - play the game or be punished.

It's about how women have to be granted 'permission' for their liberty from the patriarch, we have to 'earn' it and fight for it, rather than it being our civil right.

It's about single mothers getting blamed for society ills when much of the time the absent father is incognito and answers for nothing.

It's about how swear used thrown about by men are derogatory of the feminine, even when directed at a man (son of a bitch, MF, the c word.. you get my drift). I mean why drag women into their slurs?

It's about how I have to keep my children away from the newspaper stand at the corner shop because I'm not happy with what I see there - from salacious rape headlines to girls displayed (and some of them are hardly more than girls) in pornographic poses.

It's about society making women feel insecure about their looks, thus making them preoccupied and - dare I say it - vain, so that they are more worried about investing their time and money in their physical features than their futures. A repression technique serving the patriarch particularly well in the Western/commercial world.

Yes, those women may feel like they like their lives (good), sure they may feel they have plenty of choices and are independent (great). They obviously feel that are in control of their lives, that they are being bold and exercising their liberty by expressing an 'alternative' view. 'Hey look at us, we're not conforming,' But what they are failing to notice is the bigger picture. They are in my view colluding with the patriarch. They may even get rewarded for their views - a pat on the head from their partners, their male friends, other anti-feminists. Approval from the gaolers - Stockholm Syndrome at a subtle level. Just another example of women not wanting to be unpopular because it's just too difficult, too much of a fight, too big a hill.

Anyone who can't see the problem ought to visit the thread about every day sexism reversed. It was a gem. You can't fail to see the problem after that.

How do we even know they are genuine anyway - some of them may not even speak English for all we know.

[Stressing]

Great post Chunderella by the way. I wish individually those women could read that.

[QisforQcumber]

I didn't need feminism at 17, then life hit me in the face.

Workplace inequality
Relationship Inequality
Parental Responsbility
Raising a son
Household Responsbility
Body image
Marriage
Expectation
Voice

At 17 I would do anything to "keep my man happy". Validation came from having a relationship, being told I was "hot" and aspiring to be the "cool girlfriend". I no longer seek validation, I have enough confidence in the person I am and the life I lead to throw off my childlike romantastised ideals of what love and respect are. I like making my own rules and not living a bunch of Disney princess cliches that set me up for disappointment, compliance and vapidness.