No More Page 3 petition

(110 Posts)
StephanieDA Tue 27-Nov-12 10:39:45

Anyone else out there supporting the No More Page 3 petition set up by Lucy Holmes?
www.change.org/petitions/dominic-mohan-take-the-bare-boobs-out-of-the-sun-nomorepage3
I wrote a blog about it a while ago, as a mother - please look and share if you want to:
www.communicatingwithkids.com/our-daughters/

Frans1980 Tue 27-Nov-12 15:21:20

The are already several "no more page 3" threads on here. Post on one of those instead of making yet another.

Startail Tue 27-Nov-12 15:36:44

YAWN!

AbigailAdams Tue 27-Nov-12 15:54:03

Wow, how rude!

OP I think a few of us have been supporting that petition and I agree with the sentiments of your blog post.

There are a few other threads about this dotted around (I see you found one in Activism) if you wanted to read how hard people work to uphold male privilege.

Startail Wed 28-Nov-12 10:23:52

Yes, That was rude but in a world women in Saudi are have their basic freedom of movement denied.

Female genital mutilation is still practiced.

Baby girls are aborted and forced marriage is allowed.

Fussing a bout a few tits in a news paper is a disgusting waste of time.

Startail Wed 28-Nov-12 10:31:36

I know all the arguments about trying to tackle the general demeaning attitude to women, but I think we need to tackle the real nasties first.

The ones we are afraid of because they mean standing up against some religions and some cultures.

I don't want my DDs growing up in a world where women are mutilated and killed just for being women.

I don't want feminist to be something men giggle about "oh you want to ban us seeing breasts".

No I want it to mean I'm outraged that teenaged girls get shot for wanting to go to school!

AbigailAdams Wed 28-Nov-12 11:07:07

Oh yes the old "Why worry about this when you can worry about all these real atrocities"

Yeah yeah, whatever. Some of us can worry about more than one thing.

MsGoldblum Wed 28-Nov-12 11:28:44

Abigail I totally agree with you re. Page 3 and sorry you've had such rude responses. From my experience, that doesn't happen often on these boards and there are lots and lots of posters who are very supportive of the petitions and campaigns.

Have you seen this in the Guardian recently? Good to know that there are liked-minded people out there being proactive.

MrsClown Wed 28-Nov-12 12:30:50

Abigail, I am with MsGoldblum on this. Im sorry that a 'person' has been rude to you like that. Take no notice - WE KNOW WHICH SIDE IS THE RIGHT SIDE TO BE ON!

MrsClown Wed 28-Nov-12 12:32:27

by the way startail - I presume you consider yourself a feminist - stop worrying about what men think FGS - I stopped donkeys years ago - its so empowering!

AbigailAdams Wed 28-Nov-12 12:41:45

Thanks for the support MrsC and MsGoldblum. I saw that link in passing this morning on FB MsGoldblum. I'll have a proper read now.

TeiTetua Wed 28-Nov-12 13:49:03

Hey, good Guardian article there (by Kira Cochrane). It even mentions Mumsnet.

AbigailAdams Wed 28-Nov-12 15:13:47

That is a really good article MsGoldblum. It really exposes how the media sexually depicts and silences women in equal measure.

Despite what Startail thinks, this is really important stuff. It is this underlying misogyny which ensures we aren't considered equal. It is all about male privilege and sense of entitlement. Just like killing baby girls, FGM, rape etc. It all comes from the same place.

Startail Wed 28-Nov-12 17:59:49

It's rude to care about women all over the world who are in real danger.

It's rude to point out that moaning about Page 3 makes feminists a laughing stock both with men and with a lot of women too.

Well if that's the case I shall continue to be rude!

I will continue to care what men think because if you believe in equality you do care what the other 50% of the population thinks. That is what equal means.

Beside the simple point that, like it or not, it is still men who have the power in the World.

for that reason, if for no other, we need to start with the issues that no right thinking person, of either gender, can disagree are wrong.

SomersetONeil Wed 28-Nov-12 18:27:40

Just because you don't get nor understand that this is an important issue, doesn't mean you need to be so rude and dismissive to people who do care.

Most people aren't so unilateral that they can only care about one thing. In fact, many people understand how one thing weaves into another and contributes to the huge overall situation we are currently in.

SomersetONeil Wed 28-Nov-12 19:20:27

Ugh, sorry. Being, um, 'strident' only makes people more entrenched in their views.

It's just frustrating because it seems so obvious that you will never change fundamentally entrenched mindsets when it comes to the really big issues like women's status in SA, FGM, etc, etc, until the more 'everyday' issues are seen as anachronistic, outdated and inappropriate.

Why would people change their views on such huge - often culturally entrenched - things and accord women full equal status, when women are still seen as play things, objects, sex-class citizens, the doers of home-drudgery, etc?

Whenever you tackle, change or try to improve anything, you start in a manageable way, in bite-sized pieces, starting small and building up, honing, tweaking, with the bigger overall picture always in mind. Why would this be any different?

That's, of course, not to say that people shouldn't also be out there trying to tackle the big stuff now too. But you're never really going to get anywhere while the 'small' (seemingly insignificant, but intrically woven into the fabric of society) stuff is left unaddressed.

This is why, for example, Page 3 matters to a lot of people.

FreudiansSlipper Wed 28-Nov-12 19:23:31

yes i have supported this petition

feminists have always been laughed at it has always been a way to put women down what else are we called hysterical, unreasonable, man haters the list is endless

i support this along with changes making women lives better in this country and other countries and issues that yes are more pressing but if a man or woman wants to laugh at me so be it what is there to be scared of if we fear what others think so much changes will not happen. i know far more men and women who see the bigger picture that small changes make way for bigger changes and both need to be made

Startail Wed 28-Nov-12 22:43:36

Sorry, but if you succeed in banning page 3, which fortunately you won't.

It won't be seen as a great step forwards for women's rights it will be seen as the nanny state and political correctness gone bananas.

Starting at the bottom means supporting the campaign about toys, it means bringing up our daughters to believe they can be anything the want, it means proper research into why so few girls do serious computing. It means supporting your local refuge, the minimum wage, it means a thousand worthwhile causes.

Page 3 and the objectification of women is a distraction.

Sex sells, partly clad boys sell Holister's over priced hoodies, Rafa Nadal's torso sells Nike. Scantily clad women sell everything.

It is both human nature and a billion dollar business. It's one we can never win.

I'm a realist I don't fight battles that can't be won. I certainly don't fight those where victory would be counter productive.

rosabud Wed 28-Nov-12 23:24:18

What do you mean by political correctness?

SomersetONeil Thu 29-Nov-12 05:39:41

"I certainly don't fight those where victory would be counter productive."

We're talking about Page 3 here, right? Tits in a daily?

How would a victory be counter-productive? Nobody's trying to ban sex. Nobody's even trying to ban breasts in The Sun. They're politely requesting they no longer exhibit them. Other newspapers cope without breasts. 'Political correctness gone bananas'. grin I love it. So all newspapers except The Sun are crazily PC, then?!

I give it 5 years; 10 at the absolute outset - before Page 3 is seen as anachronistic as the Black and White Minstrels and smoking in pubs. smile

AbigailAdams Thu 29-Nov-12 07:50:50

So what you are saying Startail is you want women's breasts exposed in a daily newspaper for the titillation of men? You want men to keep that privilege?

HerriotsofFire Thu 29-Nov-12 08:22:38

Startail, where does arguing against those who are against page 3 rank in the Global Waste Of Time Index? Taking time out to do that must impact on your campaigns to stop harm against women.

I'm at a bit of a crossroads with my feminism at the moment, so a handy list of causes in importance order would be great. If you have time.

MrsClown Fri 30-Nov-12 12:01:28

By the way Startail - men are not 50% of the population.

HalloweenNameChange Fri 30-Nov-12 16:50:30

Startail
Fussing a bout a few tits in a news paper is a disgusting waste of time.

A waste of whose time? Clearly the OP does have time to post a simple blog about something she believes in. You are being absolutely ridiculous.. you have wasted just as much time posting to disagree with her.. confused shouldn't you be out not wasting time doing something important?

HalloweenNameChange Fri 30-Nov-12 16:52:14

Oh and yes op I have signed petition and and joined the fb page too. I don't think expecting our daughters to not be faced with a fake news blurb that mocks a barely legal teenager with her tits out in a the largest selling newspaper in the uk is a waste of time [shrugs]

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