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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

2001 channel 4 documentary on porn

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darleneconnor · 04/04/2011 13:00

hcdocu.blogspot.com/

The best anti-porn evidence I've seen.

(Please watch with caution, some scenes are upsetting)

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Deliainthemaking · 04/04/2011 14:20

watching it now

Deliainthemaking · 04/04/2011 14:49

the overriding feeling was sympathy, her maturity, manner was very childlike for a woman her age.
I think its often why their dressed up like brazen hussies, its harder the men probably feels its easier to not see the xploitation, if the participants look hard and undesirable themselves if that makes any sense.
Porn stars now rarely look as freshfaced their deliberately hardened.
As soon as I heard the name Max Hardcore I thought oh no! saw a doc on him when I was 13 I wonder how many women have been abused by him.

msrisotto · 04/04/2011 18:09

Jesus. Yeah, that was insightful. Thanks.

msrisotto · 04/04/2011 18:10

I have to say I feel sick now. She was abused, the men were sick particularly Max Hardcore - what was with the basically, rape when he met her? It's all about domination and breaking her will and that is sickening to watch.

Meglet · 04/04/2011 18:11

I think I saw that when it was first on .

dittany · 04/04/2011 18:27

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Malificence · 04/04/2011 18:31

That agent of hers should have been prosecuted for pimping her out - I wonder if that vile man has daughters?
He was every bit as dangerous as Max hardcore.
If the film maker hadn't been with her, I dread to think what else she would have been forced into.

darleneconnor · 04/04/2011 18:36

He'll be out of prison again in July .

Could anyone see this film and still be pro-porn?

I wonder where Felicity is now?

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toddlerwrangler · 04/04/2011 19:12

I saw this when it first aired. The 'broken' look on that poor woman's face as that men bent her over and entered her made me so, so sad. The programme gave me a lot to think about :(

Andre1960 · 04/04/2011 20:50

Shock is easy, understanding is difficult. The latter requires courage and compassion, the former none at all. That is the main reason why such sadness is likely to continue and, I fear, will probably increase in this world.

The porn film director was not lying when he insisted that his actors where engaged in an 'expression of love'. Even when it is horribly compromised, corrupted and perverted, it is still that.

I hope Felicity's daughter, who, as children do, was also trying to give her mother a lesson in love was successful.

As toddlerwrangler remarked, 'a lot to think about.'

dittany · 04/04/2011 20:55

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sethstarkaddersmackerel · 04/04/2011 20:59

'The porn film director was not lying when he insisted that his actors where engaged in an 'expression of love'. Even when it is horribly compromised, corrupted and perverted, it is still that.'

I disagree. Violent sex has nothing whatsoever to do with love.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 04/04/2011 20:59

x-posts. Dittany put it better.

ThatVikRinA22 · 04/04/2011 21:00

when was this on?

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Malificence · 04/04/2011 21:04

So rape and abusive sex on film is an act of love?

Jesus H Christ.

Andre1960, you are in the wrong place, mumsnet is not for you.

Andre1960 · 04/04/2011 21:05

As I said: understanding is difficult. Too difficult for you, dittany. You speak for men, although you are not a man. There is a solution to this mystery - understand yourself and then you will be able to speak for men.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 04/04/2011 21:08

Andre you are talking complete bollocks. It doesn't even make any logical sense.

HaggisNeepsnTatties · 04/04/2011 21:08

Not sure Dittany is seeking to speak for men??

dittany · 04/04/2011 21:09

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toddlerwrangler · 04/04/2011 21:12

Andre , I just don't understand what you are trying to say?

I am not pro porn, but I am pro choice. That said, I see no justification for the treatment of the woman in this documentary. How could here ever be.

Can I ask what you are saying? That we should understand humiliating and hurting another human being?

dittany · 04/04/2011 21:13

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sethstarkaddersmackerel · 04/04/2011 21:17

thing is, I don't object to the view that when you are trying to stop people from doing something it's a good idea to find out why they do it.
but Andre is talking COMPLETE BOLLOCKS which has nothing to do with understanding why men rape: when researchers actually do try to understand rapists what comes up again and again is that it is all about POWER and VIOLENCE and NOTHING to do with love.
So if Andre believes in understanding, spouting pompous ignorant crap is really not the way he should go.

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