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sykes · 25/02/2011 17:55

In brief - four-year old horse bought last year. After tanking off and being quite "wild" he was initially diagnosed with acute osteoarthritis - but nowhere near severe as initial diagnosis. Had course injections, steroids, cartrophen and tildren drip six months ago and then last week. On and off work due to weather but managed walk/trot dressage test and a few clear rounds. Also, hacking out quite nicely. Just bringing back into work, going well but taking it slowly as had last meds last week. Since then he's been over a few x-poles, been schooled by me and instructor (yesterday). V happy with him until the rodeo ride today. Was doing canter poles and instructor advised to take forwards position - I tend to sit back too much, v old fashioned, I'm told. As soon as went into forwards position he dashed off, I lost control and probably balance and he proceeded to bronk from A round to C (according to my instructor it was a rodeo). I came off at C. I couldn't get his head up and kick on as it was rammed between his knees - maybe someone stronger and more experienced would have done. My instructor was gob smacked and says she's only ever seen two horses do that - both now unrideable. Am absolutely gutted, I sat a lot of them but my instructor said he just wanted me off. So, anyone any advice as am gutted. It was going so well. I got back on him but instructor said his eyes were quite wild so just walked and then trotted on yard. Plan is to hack him tomorrow and then do 15 mins in school with instructor. she says if he does it again we need to get in a work rider as, understandably, she doesn't want to get on him and he mustn't be allowed to get into this habit. It's very dangerous. Am so p'd off as he just seemed to lose the plot completely - previously he'd tank off but is this his new trick? Was it the forward seat that upset him? Am flummoxed. He's not a nasty horse but is VERY sensitive and was put through too much too young as a four-year old jumping in Ireland. Wonder whether it sparked something off? Also, his back was done about three weeks ago before his latest course of medication and he's been absolutely fine up until today. Sorry so long and thanks for any input. I landed okay but slightly on my shoulder which I'm having MRI scanned next week so a bit of a pain.

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sykes · 25/02/2011 17:56

Sorry, hardly in brief.

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Pixel · 25/02/2011 18:32

Oh dear, that was a nasty shock! My sister's pony does the full bronc with head between the knees thing until he's got her off. He's not unrideable as he is fantastic on the roads and as he's in his twenties she just hacks him about there (he's even been trusted with my disabled ds, he is so good), so it obviously isn't a pain thing, just bad behaviour!

I can see you don't have that option with a youngster and really need to nip this in the bud. One thing I've suggested on here before as my sister did have some success with it is the daisy rein. It doesn't stop the bucking but it does stop them getting their head right between the knees so you have half a chance of staying on. In a way you are lucky he's done it in the school as the first time my sister's pony did it he dumped her on the Downs and then ran off which could have been very nasty.

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sykes · 25/02/2011 19:08

Thanks, Pixel. Just he's NEVER bucked (apart from on the lunge) in the year I've had him. So why today? Could it be the forwards seat in canter round the school that spooked him?
Agree v lucky it was in the school. Just such a pain as was feeling stupidly confident, although in the back of my mind I was aware that he's in his teen years (still just five) so would there be another mini rebellion. If it is going to start to be a habit I'll get help asap. I don't want to ride something like that and don't expect my instructor to. She was horrified and is worried it could turn into a habit so we're both coming at it from the same direction - she schools him on a regular basis for me and is a fantastic rider but, understandably, doesn't want to ride something like that. Bl**dy horses, always something. My fault for getting a youngster again.
How's your horse doing? Hope it's going well, at least the weather is getting better.

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Pixel · 25/02/2011 20:00

Mmm does sound like a mystery. At least if it's totally out of character it's more likely to be a one-off? Perhaps he heard something you didn't or something like that? Mine does sudden bucks in the air (though more like a straight up lipizzaner type thing so not as unseating), and mostly I can see absolutely no reason for it so often wonder if he's heard something that's startled him.

I was hoping no one would ask me how dhorse is doing. I confess I haven't sat on him since the end of November Blush. I just keep putting it off although I have ridden sis's bronco and had regular lessons on a pony much livelier than him so I'm not sure why. My sister has taken him out a few times and he's been good although even she finds him very strong.

The constant rain and wind and the fact that I have to spend about an hour scraping mud off him really doesn't give me much enthusiasm to ride atm I must say. If we had a school of some kind it would be different I'm sure because I could potter about at my own pace a bit. Am weighing up pros and cons of moving him in the spring.

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sykes · 25/02/2011 20:13

Having a school to ride in does make all the difference but, hopefully, the better weather will be here soon. God, I sometimes feel p'd off about the fact the school is outdoors. How brattish is that?
Have you ever thought about having him for a couple of weeks/month for schooling at a place with you riding him as much as possible with tuition/help around? The whole schooling, hack out etc? I know it can be really expensive, though. The help I get is great but I do, of course, pay for it. I'd never have taken on another youngster without it.
Don't be embarassed about not sitting on him. Do it when it's right for you. I'm in Surrey, think you are too? My, honestly, really nice yard takes in schooling liveries (usually only one at a time as small yard and yard owner, my instructor, does all the schooling etc). If you ever think about considering it/feel like a visit let me know.
Says she, who came off after a bronking session today .....

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Pixel · 25/02/2011 21:00

We are in Sussex, and what you are suggesting is exactly what I did last year. He and I moved to another yard for five weeks and as it is the yard where my instructor keeps her horses I had as many lessons as I could afford and then rode out with her as well when she exercised hers. I started off practically in tears at riding him up the lane (and begging to be allowed to get off Blush) to riding him all the way back to our own place at the end of it (instructor/friend accompanied me on her pony and then rode all the way back which was lovely of her).

When we got home I rode him out and my mum commented on how much more relaxed I was on him, then he got his face badly burnt on wild parsnip and was out of action for the rest of the summer. Cue all my new-found confidence evaporating like mist! Sad I did ride him a bit before the bad weather came but then we had the snow and that was it really.

Anyway, I'm planning to do the same this summer, hopefully for a bit longer, have started saving now as I will still have to pay the rent on our field as well as find money for lessons. Luckily the dcs haven't noticed yet how many of their toys are on ebay.Grin If I hadn't seen an improvement last year I would be seriously considering selling him as he's being wasted but what happened was pure bad luck and I feel we deserve another chance. He is a lovely horse and I actually do know I'm capable of riding him if only I could get over my fear so I think if I sell him now I will end up regretting it.

Sorry to ramble on on your thread! I hope your shoulder is ok.

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sykes · 25/02/2011 21:35

Actually, Pixel, my yard is in Sussex but I live in Surrey. You've done brilliantly. When I used to get worried my instructor or our fearless teen would ride my horse for me and it helped so much.
Good luck and am sure it will work out. I always think there's absolutely no rush at all. But must admit that today has not been remotely helpful. And my shoulder and wrist are really quite painful. Am downing wine as I write and will bore the pants off my husband when he gets home.
You're doing really well and good luck. Let me know how it goes.
Don't sell him and please post a picture when you have time. Doubt I can but might ask 11-year old to do that?
Fingers crossed for tomorrow.

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MitchiestInge · 25/02/2011 21:36

our pony had first rodeo (with us) over canter poles, maybe they are more exciting than we think or maybe, as you say, he doesn't like light seat? hope you aren't hurt and that this is a one-off - professional schooling is helping us but he will still rodeo for no obvious reason maybe once or twice out of every ten times he's ridden, sometimes utterly ridiculously, like if you are asking him to stand still, he's so stroppy. I might have to accept that he's not a child's pony but wouldn't say he was unrideable (although, like pixel says, I stick to roads mainly now as he is better there). At least yours is a genuine baby, people think ours is about 3 or 4 but he's EIGHT. gah. not giving up though.

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Pixel · 25/02/2011 22:20

Like Mitchy said it could have been the poles. Do you ever lunge him over poles to get him more used to them? My instructor has a mare that goes absolutely potty if she tries to take her over poles, she actually put her in hospital once (had to be airlifted to London hospital and doesn't remember a thing about it).

There are a few pics on my profile. Top one is of him in the snow with his lovely thick rug before it got stolen Angry , the one below was taken last summer when we were at the other yard. Everyone was very impressed by his beauty, I could easily have sold him then!

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Pixel · 25/02/2011 22:24

Oh dear, terrible boastingBlush, of course I'm biased but someone actually described him as magnificent so I'm justified.

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MitchiestInge · 25/02/2011 22:34

he IS magnificent! what a beautiful boy, think some of those pictures are new since I last looked

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MitchiestInge · 25/02/2011 22:40

if this is rodeo support thread can I add a Shock that my horse did it twice on a hack yesterday and he never ever ever bucks or rears unless in pain or sees something seriously scary (hosepipe in hedge) - it was hilarious but no idea what prompted it, other than he'd seen the pony doing it in the same places a few days earlier. Maybe there is a sign visible only to horses that says 'rodeo here'

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MitchiestInge · 25/02/2011 22:44

PS - well done for staying on until C! I would have been off at the corner between A and K or A and F

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Pixel · 25/02/2011 22:45

Thank you. Smile

Not so magnificent atm though! Honestly you should see the state of him, he's got more hair than a woolly mammoth.

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Pixel · 25/02/2011 22:47

Ah you see some of us nervous types are actually better at staying on as we are so desperate not to hit the floor. Wink

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Pixel · 25/02/2011 22:51

Of course all this out-of-character bucking could just be a sign that spring is on the way. My mum's horse used to buck for six weeks every spring but he never ever did it at any other time of the year. At all other times he was a perfect gentleman.

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MitchiestInge · 25/02/2011 23:03

I'm desperate not to hit the floor too! Don't like riding that pony and make all sorts of excuses to avoid my daughter getting on him too - hence new pony. Oh that's not true, when he isn't being a shit he is amazing and after just a few strides I find myself thinking 'I LOVE this pony' but why does he have those rapid-fire bucking moments? It's so dysfunctional, no wonder he had so many changes of owner. He will probably end up an expensive field ornament that I just change the colour of from time to time!

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Pixel · 25/02/2011 23:23

It's annoying isn't it when you know they have talent but they are also lethal! My sister's pony has done very well with previous owners (we've never taken him to anything), including 3rd at the Royal Welsh as a foal, championships at county shows, cross-country etc. He was also a fab little driving pony for a disabled lady so he can do all these things but has to spoil it by doing the rodeo impressions. I suppose none of them are perfect, (except my darling angel dshetland.Smile)

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sykes · 26/02/2011 14:12

Thanks for replies. I hacked him out today but once in the school he really tensed up again so am lunging later and tomorrow. My instructor won't get on him, I wouldn't let her anyway - don't expect anyone else to ride him unless it's what they do. So a work rider is coming on Monday who schools the complete buggers..
He's seen poles loads of times, both ridden and on the lunge so it's not that, unfortunately.
It might be the light seat but I've cantered out in x-country position and he's never reacted. Also, he has to be ridden like that as I love jumping/x-country so we have to get it sorted.
If it was just a few bucks it wouldn't bother me too much, wouldn't like it but would expect it, to some extent in a baby, but it was bronking as if, my instructor said, he had a red hot poker up his bum. Riding is dangerous enough without adding a potential rodeo scenario in the equation so I need to get it resolved.
I just wouldn't do what you're doing, Mitchy, you must be very brave. I'm just not prepared to do it or let anyone else unless they are fully aware of what might happen. I can't afford a nasty accident and, obviously, don't want one - hence the work rider. Hopefully, I'm making a fuss over not very much and fingers crossed we'll get it resolved and thanks VERY much for replies.
Pixel, he is lovely.

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Pixel · 26/02/2011 15:51

Well it sounds as if you are doing the right thing getting the suicidal nutter work rider in. If he or she is used to riding maniacs they should hopefully have some idea whether it is pure bad behaviour or has another cause. And thanks, Smile, when are we going to see a picture of your boy?

Btw, my instructor would get on, she rides anything, I sometimes think she has a death-wish. I suspect she is closely related to Mitchy in some way!

Mitchy, have you thought of driving your future field ornament? The lady who owns our shetland used to have a welshie who was unrideable as he bronced everyone off and had been through several homes. Then someone thought of driving him and he was a reformed character. Same with sis's pony, can be a little devil under saddle but never bucked in harness. Just a thought before you start experimenting with colour schemes.

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sykes · 26/02/2011 17:11

Lunged this afternoon and am hacking out tomorrow, then lunging (exhaust him, is the plan) then, if feel brave and all is well, get on him in the school.
Work rider/suicidal nutter will, hopefully, put him through his paces on Monday.
I have no idea how to post a picture but will try to find out.

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Ponks · 26/02/2011 23:30

Might be worth getting saddle checked / back checked? Youngsters can change shape very quickly.
Do think you are brave getting on again & hacking him out ... I am a wimp when it comes to bucking - tend to turn into jelly.

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sykes · 27/02/2011 11:21

He was checked/had treatment just three weeks ago and will be checked again on Wednesday but I hugely doubt it's that. It was so extreme and he was fine to hack out. Wish me luck today ..... am going out with my instructor, then lunging, then schooling. At least, that's the idea.

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MitchiestInge · 27/02/2011 20:05

hope it went ok today sykes, thought of you (had mini rodeo today, nothing life threatening thankfully but heart was in mouth)

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MitchiestInge · 27/02/2011 20:06

would love to do that pixel, is on my to do list :)

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