Dreams Of A Life - Joyce Vincent - Channel 4

[SoleSource]

Are you watching?

What are your thoughts?

[SoleSource]

I am 38. If it was not for my DS this could be me.

[verytellytubby]

Moving and sad.

[JaneLane]

If it's the documentary about the women who died and wasn't found for three years I watched it on Netflix a few weeks ago and cried like a baby.

No one should be that alone.

[SoleSource]

Estranged from her family, lots of relationships, lived in many.different.places. Seemed she hadn't found the right guy for ger.

Terrible shame

[SoleSource]

She had a good life on the putside. I think she could have been abused as a child or maybe mental illness.

[SoleSource]

I wonder how her relationships ended. The guy she stayed with Jimmy Cliff fir the weekend.. Where was he?

Maybe she suffocated them/expected to much as she didnz.t have her own interests?

[verytellytubby]

It's making me cry. No-one should be that alone. Massive discrepancy between her life in her twenties and being dead at 38.

[SoleSource]

I am wondering why her Sisters declined to be interviewed?

[Sinkingfeeling]

So sad :(

[SucksToBeMe]

The family must be too embarrassed. She seemed such a lovely person, I work in a care home with such a large amount of residents with no family, who never had children. I can understand how it would happen.

[SoleSource]

Was that actually Joyce clapping watching Nelson Mandella?

[ookoro]

The documentary isn't entirely true. I have scoured other sources of the internet and read accounts from the creator of the film.

Her sisters noticed she was missing. They'd hired a private detector to find her before she died and who continued to investigate after she died. The investigator was clearly rubbish.

Read this link bluecentric.com/?p=39430

[catladycourtney1]

I think it's very sad and strange. I read about this probably about two years ago and at that point, I used to wonder a lot how long it would take someone to find me if I dropped dead.

I also wonder why her electricity was never cut off in three years? And why no neighbours reported not having seen her coming and going, or the smell even? Very odd.

[ookoro]

The story is still a very sad one though

[SoleSource]

Yep and the residents whose children don't give a crap for various reasons.

[germyrabbit]

what a sad story, assuming that was her at the end. life is strange isn't it.

[JaneLane]

That's interesting ookoro - maybe the sisters didn't like how the documentary was portraying it?

When I watched it it made me think of some of the people I've known in my life but haven't seen for years.

[out2lunch]

Don't forget we have seen a film about her.life not a documentary
I think a lot of the gaps have been filled in and some facts glossed over -the polish boyfriend and dv story would have maybe led somewhere

I have heard about her story.before and iirc her window was left open and her flat was above a stairwell so smell etc didn't directly affect other residents

Sad story even so really felt for Martin too

[JaneLane]

The thing about the T.V being on also got to me. I'm not sure why but I think it provides such a stark contrast between life continuing on for three years and her undiscovered death.

[SoleSource]

She withdrew from life.

Open verdict

Wondering if she did kil herself..

[SoleSource]

I wished she could have had children. Shewas very hurt, damaged she felt she didnt fit in, nobody understood herand she.didnt deserve love.

[Booyhoo]

very sad, although i do very much get the impression that she withdrew herself from life. something i can very much empathise with.

i think she would have had to have done to get to the stage where no-one called on her or rang to chat in a 3 year time frame. i think there were definitely issues that she was wrestling with and possibly depression? i do understand that wanting to be invisible and just wanting to be left alone to disappear. having children would have most likely meant this didn't happen. (the disappearance/withdrawal rather than the feelings of wanting to although possibly both)

[SoleSource]

I cannot stop thinking about her.

[bringbacksideburns]

It was very haunting. Yes that was her at the end of the film, clapping Mandela.

I think a lot was assumed because there were no real facts. Could have been natural causes, asthma attack. She could have had very bad depression and killed herself although nothing was found to indicate that.

Had no idea about the Private detective and it's a shame that wasn't mentioned. I just keep wondering who the Christmas presents were for.
So sad.

[germyrabbit]

i do think that one of the contributors said something really quite poignant, that she chose to die alone, she did have so many opportunities to be happy yet something always held her back. i lived really near that estate, it is horrible and not designed with communities in mind. :(