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Not actually a teenager but a 21 year old, totally unreasonable daughter

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Joma1 · 25/08/2010 17:47

Help!!!
I have two daughters, 21 and 15. The issues I am having are with the 21 year old believe it or not!
She (J) was a normal child, a bit or a madam when she was a teenager and is fast becoming the most selfish 21 year old I know.
J moved out when she was 18 as she was fiercely independent, heartbreaking for me but she lived away from home for 18 months until she lost her job (going in late and not turning up for work) and had to give up the nice little flat she was renting. It was fine at first, i was very conscious of the fact she had previously lived away and was used to her own rules and where possible tried to take this into consideration (I have to set boundaries as my youngest was 13 when J moved back). It was difficult to say the least as J didn't agree with the fact there were still rules she was expected to respect, such as, not having TV on all night when the rest of us have school and work to get for the next morning, not being on the internet all night, as this was running up the bills and J was not in a position to contribute to the bills as she had no income 9I was fine with no contribution but cross with the fact j thought she could have lights, tv, internet etc on all night). She would go out at midnight after getting ready and waking the rest of the house up, come in at silly hours again waking us up. You can probably guess the rest, progressively the situation escalated as J would not respect others in the house, totally flouted the rules, slammed doors in my face when i was trying to reason with her, etc etc. Now, I don't pretend I am mother earth but I truly believe I am a good mom and want only what's is best for my girls. I set some ground rules with J's agreement and said we would trial them in a bid to have a calmer home life, she didn't stick to it for more than two days and it all started again. I felt I was the only one to discipline the children and didn't always have the full support of my husband and J would be delightful when my husband was around and to be honest I think he thought I was exaggerating about her behaviour and how she spoke to me. Over the last few months I have kept a log of what has happened and told my husband about these, he is now supporting me and can see how bad J's attitude is towards me. J has now lost her third job and thinks she can lie in bed all day while we are at work/school, she is lazy, doesn't lift a finger to help, only looks on the internet for jobs and thinks a job will fall at her feet, she is spiteful and vindictive towards me. i know she is now smoking cannabis and is drinking a lot, I have tried to talk to her about this but she won't listen and just says ''oh god mom, what year are you living in'. I am worried she will be found in a heap one day. I love her to bits but cannot go on like this anymore so we have asked her to move out, after we found wine and money missing yesterday - her response was 'she didn't think she needed to ask'. I feel very bad about her moving out, my husband says this is what she needs and although I totally agree I feel rotten about it, she has no job, no money, no prospects at the moment. She is leaving today to go and stay at a friends, she has even deleted me as a friend on Face book, I don?t want to lose my daughter
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looseleaf · 25/08/2010 20:13

joma i wanted to bump this for you as our daughter only 3 so in no position to offer much wisdom. I also want to say how sorry I am she's treating you like this and I do hope she'll come to change her general behaviour...I would be tempted to write her a letter to explain how pained you are and lay out a few truths about how her behaviour makes you feel. Or perhaps better, is there a family member eg aunt who she would listen to who could explain how unreasonable her treatment of you is. Keep us posted and I do think you can resolve this with the right advice from people more experienced than me!

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Joma1 · 25/08/2010 21:28

looseleaf- thank you for your comments and words. I have thought about writing a letter so maybe I will do it, in fact I will write one tomorrow. She has moved out this evening and I have just spent the last hour in the den balling my eyes out. I tried talking to her again, but she just doesn't want to listen. I understand why my husband has asked her to move out but it is so hard, she is my little girl and always will be. I guess this is what is called 'tough love'. She kept saying 'I can't believe you are throwing me out when I have no money', I gave her the option of staying for 4 weeks (also agreed this with my husband) to look for a job, pull her socks up etc but instead she just wanted to make me feel guilty. I know where she is staying so that is a blessing. I guess I will just have to wait and see whether she is prepared to admit that she is in this situation through her own doing... she is incredibly stubborn so this could take some time.

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kidsncatsnwine · 25/08/2010 22:13

Hard tho it is, I think you are doing the right thing. She's 21..not a child, not a young teen.. plenty of people her age have jobs and families of their own..you have given her plenty of chances to get her act together and she hasn't.

Hopefully she will realise that life isn't a free ride, as I daresay whoever she stays with will get pretty bored of her sponging off them before long.

On a side note as she has been made 'homeless' technically, she can apply for emergency help from the council (usually B+B/hostel) if she really needs a rood over her head and help to apply for benefitsif she is entitled.

I can only imagine how hard it is for you..we came close to booting out our son 18m ago..same scenario including the stealing, cannabis smoking etc. He HAS come round now but we also had to get very tough indeed with him.

Hang in there!

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mumonthenet · 25/08/2010 23:44

Joma, I have only understood half of your story because the lack of paragraphs has completely done my head in. Maybe it's me, but I cannot read your first post entirely because I keep getting lost.


I do sympathise, as I have teenage dd's of my own and I want to support you. I am sure you will get great advice here.

But PLEASE, even if you type everything in a rush - go back and chuck in a few paragraphs.

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TidyBush · 25/08/2010 23:53

Joma1 you have done completely the right thing IME.

Your daughter is an adult and as long as she was living at home she never had to really address her behaviour.

This will make or break her and TBH if she has managed to get 3 jobs then she must have some get up and go.

Don't let J guilt trip you into having her back until she has proven herself. For the sake of your whole family you could not have let her disrespect you and your home any longer.

She will come round in the end - good luck (and enjoy the peace).

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nottirednow · 26/08/2010 07:57

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mumeeee · 27/08/2010 00:04

DD" is 20 and is home from uni at the moment. She used to watch TV until the early hours of the morining she doesn't now as she hasn't got a TV in her room. She would go on the internet all night but the rule here is it goes off around midnight DH or I turn the internet off sometimes we will leave it on until 12.30 but never later than that and the rules are the same for everyone in the house which includes me and DH. Your DH is right to ask her to move out and yes write her a letter.

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nomedoit · 27/08/2010 02:47

Joma, I am in a very similar situation with my son, aged 19. I've posted about this on the 'ice-cream' thread on step-parenting. He's at uni, doesn't drink etc, but apart from that he is your daughter's twin! I just sold his car because he made no effort to contribute to anything. He is rude, sarcastic and at times abusive. Now he is back at uni he is ignoring me - not answering the phone or replying to emails. It's his birthday on Saturday, I don't know whether to go down and visit. I don't want to drive down there and find he doesn't answer the door. I've asked him to confirm arrangements but no reply... I feel like I have lost him but everyone says I have to do this to try to stop the behaviour. It is very hard, though.

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Joma1 · 27/08/2010 15:49

Thanks for all the posts guys (and sorry about the lack of paragraphs 'mumonthenet' - I just got carried away as it was very therapeutic just writing about the whole situation!!).

Hopefully it will all come good in the end, it is just incredibly hard. J has been given many chances, and we have tried the tough love at home previously, so it wasn't just a case of throwing her out over the money, it was also the total lack of disrespect for others in the house.

At the moment she won't answer my calls, however she will answer her dads so at least we are still in contact with her.

I do believe we are doing the right thing, I just wish it wasn't so hard.

To those of you going through the same thing at the moment - hang in there, it must get easier!! :)

nomedoit - good luck with your son, personally whether it is the right or wrong thing to do, I would drive down there; even if you only get to speak for five minutes at least uou will know he is ok.

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mumonthenet · 27/08/2010 22:21

joma, sorry I ranted about the paragraphs! I'm sure you don't need any more stress in your life.

It must be sooo difficult for you but I am sure you are doing the right thing. Tough love. Keep reminding her (through her dad?) that you both love her - it's just the behaviour that you don't like.

Good luck, I admire your bravery - it must be so hard.

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nomedoit · 28/08/2010 01:27

Joma, he finally replied. I'm going down. He is always so bloody hostile though.

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