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effing exw - i could commit murder

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wheresthelight · 22/07/2014 16:39

So the bloody exw has cancelled contact again for tomorrow so dp is pissed off understandably. However she is now saying that the kids cannot come on holiday with us next week because she wants to see dss on his birthday. Now I wouldn't have an issue with this of it weren't for the fact that we agreed on the 7th of bloody February that we would be having the kids from this Friday for a fortnight and would be on holiday until the 3rd. We go on Saturday ffs.

Dp is livid, the kids will be devastated, I want to go round and smack the bitch but obviously can't.

Holiday was deliberately planned like this so dss wasn't spending his birthday in a car

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robotroy · 22/07/2014 17:01

I'm really sorry that's happened to you guys, most of all to your SS. I have been there and got the t-shirt and it amazes and guts me that the mother of a child is delighted to put their own wants above the happiness and stability of their own child. Then next thing I find they are shouting at them for their unsurprising bad behaviour once they have upset them.

I will quickly get some sort of broken record award in this forum I don't doubt but the happiest day in terms of our child's life was the day her dad got a court order defining visits. Her mum could no longer use her as a weapon and mess her around to salve mummy's feelings when she was between boyfriends and toss her aside when a new man landed. It's important for you as a family but most of all for your kids to have that stability and so if she won't stop taking it away then I strongly recommend to you working towards getting an agreement in stone as soon as you can. The courts are against it unless in the last resort but frankly I don't know why because once the ability to diddle around is removed suddenly neither party can treat their child as an object any more and so they start to enjoy the stability of regular parental contact that every child IMO should have as a matter of course not as something you have to fight and pay for.

Is there any way on any level you think you can get your OH to reason with this awful behaviour? I kind of know the answer but you know what I mean you gotta try. My SD has never once been with her dad on her birthday in spite of it regularly falling outside school time but it's particularly unfair if they have siblings (excuse me I don't know if they're hers too).

Did you get the contact agreement in writing? I always get my OH to send a confirmation email, I think if you end up having to go so far as to take legal action it will help show the pattern of messing the kids around. You say you wouldn't have a problem with this if it weren't for the booked holiday but I would personally, because it's just not fair for the kids, ours has historically responded very badly when contact is messed around, being naughty in a very out of character way. It's not good for them they need to understand clearly when they will be with you and dad and when they will be with mum. Especially over something like a birthday that they will happily picture in their minds and not really understand why that's been taken away. Hell I don't understand why would they.

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wheresthelight · 22/07/2014 17:17

The contact has all been agreed via email and texts but she has this week decided to change her mind - she has history of her way or the high way

We have agreed to amend but only because the kids would be devastated if we had to cancel completely but I guarantee she will use it against us later as her having them more than us over the summer because she is now staying to stop us having them the following week as agreed in flaming February.

The woman is off her flaming tree

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wheresthelight · 22/07/2014 21:01

On the plus side dp (who normal does anything to appease her) has raised the bloody roof and gone ballistic! She has had a mass of home truths given to her and the phrase up her own arse was also mentioned.

I have had 2 years of my feelings coming second to that witch and tonight he redeemed himself Grin

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brdgrl · 23/07/2014 00:32

oh wheres!! That's ridiculous and awful for your DSS.
So unfair.

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Tappergirl · 23/07/2014 00:43

I get the feeling that us step mum's are just going to have to put up with crap forevermore :-(

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Tappergirl · 23/07/2014 00:48

I'm going to get drunk. Ive been told already by DH that I am an alcoholic so I might as well just prove it. I have had the shit evening from hell, so nothing matters now.

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wheresthelight · 23/07/2014 07:37

Brdgrl the woman is a f*$#in loon and to be honest if I actually thought the thick cow would understand a word I would be inclined to go round and give her what for but alas that would only make it worse I suspect. I did have to bite my tongue when dp was having a pop at her yesterday though.

She had a lot thrown back at her about it all being ok for her to change contact (she has cancelled 3 out of 4 last weekday sessions) and she expects us to provide for the kids when's clothes wise etc when they are here but still expects over the odds in maintenance, then expects to borrow stuff we have bought the kids but then want us to run about dropping it off for her. We do all tge running about when the agreement was if we moved to the same town it would be shared etc. I think 20+ years of vitriol got spat at her.

He has never confronted her about her affair and so I think he used this as a way of cleansing himself if that makes sense. Just hoping that it makes her see sense because dp is such a placid person normally who really does just let it all wash over him. It's usually me going off the deep end and him being serene.

Tapper - oh hun I wish there was something I could say!
Are there any relatives the dscs could stay with for a weekend to give you and twatface some alone time to talk? Or is it too late? Sending huge hugs hun xccxxx

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TheMumsRush · 23/07/2014 07:49

God she sounds like a nightmare!! feel so bad for your dss. I hate the guilt the men carry because they don't live with their dc, and the need to appease the Ex, sometimes I wonder if just drawing a line and stop walking on egg shells (basically growing some balls) will help? It might be a bumpy ride at first but would the ex's realise that that's no longer have the power and just get on? It's horrible that a mum can use the kids in this way.

Sorry, went off a bit there but hope you are ok wheres.

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wheresthelight · 23/07/2014 08:05

Thanks mums!! Yeah I am ok just pissed of big time and so angry that she could do this to their son 4 days before we go away.

But your are right about the guilt. And the madness is his case is he did nothing wrong! She told him before the got married that she expected HIM to provide her with a 4 bed detached house in a posh area and all the lifestyle that went with it ie the yummy mummy doesn't have to work, new car, lunches out etc. And bless him he has worked bloody hard to give it to her but that involved long hours at work and then working nights and because of that she resented that he wasn't aroundand she had to do all the cchildcare etc and so she started sleeping around. And she expected him to continue to provide that lifestyle now she has kicked him out, taken his kids and shacked up with the om. The woman is delusional.

But it's the kids I feel sorry for mostly. They have been looking forward to this for 6 months! Dss was really excited about being on holiday for his birthday and now she has destroyed it. Well I for one will not be hiding the facts from them. If they ask I will tell the truth that mummy changed her mind at the last minute and we either had to come home early or she wouldn't let you come at all. She can deal with their upset because I know she will be blaming us

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robotroy · 23/07/2014 09:59

It makes it very difficult, I have never once in 6 years bad-mouthed SD's mum but we have a similar issue with Christmas, it's our turn, but when OH asked for the dates she literally laughed in his face. We've only had her twice before for Christmas (he was blocked until he got the court order) and the last times he has been soft and only had a few days. This time he asked for the week - as is his right in the court order. She seems to think she can refuse this and told him to get a court order, I was like er, we HAVE one, it says here every other week of holidays, and every other Christmas that's a week of holiday! Last time it was 'our' Christmas she insisted we pick her up Christmas eve, and when he went to get her she had already had all her presents, and a slap up dinner with the family, er, how is that 'our' Christmas. This year she is refusing saying 'but I have family coming'. SD's family are not family at all in her mind she blocked SD from seeing them for 2 years. So last visit SD happily is chattering on about how it's our Christmas so blah blah blah and we kind of have to go quiet. What are we supposed to say, no, cos mum won't allow it. They make it near impossible to give them positive press, and the irony is I'm afraid it doesn't help if you give them negative press as kids tend to shoot the messenger if you slag off parents. (which actually is part of the reason SD loves me so fiercely because mum openly tells her she hates me so ironically SD feels kinder and fiercely protective to me! BACKFIRE!). But there comes a point what can you do if her mum won't budge we will have to tell her.

The problem is, atop the guilt you have the fact that these are nice guys, we wouldn't be with them if they weren't, and they are generally I'm afraid not very nice ladies, or they would still be together. My man puts up with a LOT before he blows. In my case his ex was very abusive, and certainly when you use a child as a weapon like that it's a form of abuse, so you have this nice chap who has to face up against an abuser who has the power to block him seeing his child, or worst of all to hurt his child in the worst ways possible. Ours is having nightmares right now because of things mum has said.

So in our case we had 2 years of mum ruling the roost, she blocked visits, messed about, dictated, commanded that her child must not see his friends or family, must not see me even though we had moved in together, must not come to our home, changed the visits at the drop of a hat, screamed and yelled at him and attacked him when he picked up his child. It made me feel like a complete outsider the he wouldn't stand up to this, it was very upsetting and felt like he wasn't fighting my corner. But she was threatening to stop him seeing SD altogether, and until he had the order the problem is they can carry out that threat and it can tax 6 months to get things in place to be able to over-turn that, by which time dad is a virtual stranger to a 3 year old. Once he had the court order EVERYTHING changed. She had her little tantrums and demanded this and that, and suddenly quiet kind softly spoken OH told her she couldn't HAVE this and that as it was not her weekend so unfortunately we had plans. It infuriates me that dads don't just have automatic rights when a couple spilt to the minimum visits they usually grant. I think this should be law because until they have that legally I'm afraid if mum is a bitch they just decide that they 'own' the child and get to 'grant' visits, and it leaves your OH's in a position that if they say what they want to say to these women they can stop them seeing their child. Only when that threat is effectively removed do you get a more level playing field - still as you see we get problems, but at least we now have the option to send something in writing to say, we will have these dates at Christmas as is dad's right in the court order, if you don't understand this go and talk to your solicitor, and in the worst case if you refuse we WILL roll up with old bill and he'll be taking his child for a week.

Sorry I should also say in terms of the guilt, you need to work on this one a bit if you can. I know they don't want to hear it but that's exactly why they need to. Their child NEEDS them. The fact that they chose to let the kids stay with mum was to not cause them more upheaval and upset then they possibly could, that is a sacrifice, so to ladle onto that that the child should see dad even less at the whim of mum is extraordinarily poor, and dad needs to realise he MUST fight for every second he can get. Having a dad that doesn't live with mum can be confusing and upsetting at times, but this can be minimised with confident happy handling. Having an upbringing with an absent dad damages kids. No one 'owes' anything to an ex and particularly an abusive one or a cheating one. But they have a responsibility to their child and owe them, and above all else owe it to them to be a consistent presence in their childhood, so they MUST fight for that, and I'm sorry but if mum doesn't get that and has to have her ideas about owning their child shattered in that process then that's not even a mild concern frankly. Luckily my ex gets this as sadly when his parents spilt he didn't see his dad so he knows the pain of that. But even still it took me a huge amount of time to build up his confidence that even if he didn't feel worthy of his child's love having 'left' her he needs to stand up, put on his game face and fight for his time or his child will be damaged by it. You only get one mum and dad and if you don't know for sure in your tummy when you've 6 that they love you that leads to all kinds of problems. You don't get to be victimised any more, if you wanted your child to see you raising them whilst being stamped on you might as well have stayed with the ex! The guilt does pass in time finally, I hear this also from my mum friend who has split custody, after a long while you finally start to think sometimes, cos I also enjoy my kid free time too - and that's a new kind of guilt for a little bit! But if a routine can be established it really can actually be the best of both worlds if only people wouldn't insist on making it so **ing hard!

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wheresthelight · 23/07/2014 10:15

Robo - i complete agree and have no intention of bad mouthing her but I am also not about to lie to the kids to make her feel better. They will get told flatly that mummy changed her mind and that we either had to cut the holiday short or she wouldn't let them come at all, which is the truth.

She is a pita at the best of times and uses the kids as a stick to beat dp with all the time. I could almost understand it if he had been the one to cheat or end their marriage for other reasons. But he fought tooth and nail to keep them together. She slept around like a cheap whore with anyone who showed an interest so she only has herself to blame for the fact she lives in an ex council house instead of the prestigious detaches house she wanted. (not me being snobby she said in mediation she wanted x amount as a minimum as she "wasn't going to be made to live in a council house") butshe is iintent on punishing dp for her choices

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lloydlf76 · 23/07/2014 10:32

If you have emails and texts as proof that the arrangements have been in place for 6 months personally I would pick the children up as normal now and then continue with your original agreement once on holiday. Email her saying as per agreement of X date children will be returned on original date. By cutting your holiday short you're just re enforcing her position of power.

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LuckySaint · 23/07/2014 10:41

I agree with Lloyd, go on holiday. Don't say anything has changed fo the dcs and text her saying you are sticking to the original agreement (and turn your dh's phone off)

Don't let her spoil your holiday!

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wheresthelight · 23/07/2014 10:43

Unfortunately she is the sort of person who would ring the police etc and then refuse to let him ever have the kids. Although that was my original thought!!

To do that makes us as bad as her though and it's not fair on the kids. And ultimately we have to put their needs ahead of everything else.

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robotroy · 23/07/2014 12:34

'Robo - i complete agree and have no intention of bad mouthing her but I am also not about to lie to the kids to make her feel better. They will get told flatly that mummy changed her mind and that we either had to cut the holiday short or she wouldn't let them come at all, which is the truth. '

I don't think she's left you any choice, that's the sad thing. I completely agree with you.

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wheresthelight · 23/07/2014 12:39

Normally I wouldn't say a word and just carry on as normal. The thing that upsets me the most is that dss was so excited about being away for his birthday and doing something special.

I don't understand how a mother could be so evil to her own kids. Mind if you read some of my other posts you will see what a cow she is!

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