A wee change in the rules re Blogposts on Talk

(77 Posts)
JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 24-Apr-13 10:50:38

Hello, hello,
As you may know, Mumsnet has a thriving Bloggers Network, which happily, many Talk regulars are part of. (Join up now if you're not and you'd like to be!)

Until now, we have specifically asked members of our Bloggers Network not to post links to their blogs on Talk (outside the Bloggers Talk topic) but that does feel a bit mad given folks are linking out all the time to relevant sources and many blogposts are directly relevant to and will enhance the discussions taking place on the site. So this is a heads up that we're relaxing the rule a bit to let MN Bloggers link to their blogs where the subject matter is relevant.

Obviously relevancy is key - this doesn't mean we're going to allow a spam free for all and certainly we'll advise bloggers that this is a discussion forum - so posting a link and running is not ideal - and that blatant, relentless self-promotion isn't on.

Whilst everyone's getting the hang of it we'd ask for a little bit of give and take from all sides [pretty please] and, as ever, we're open to your thoughts and suggestions, so please do feel free to post any here.

Many thanks.

tethersend Wed 24-Apr-13 10:58:43

Read what I think about it all on www.nobodylistenstomeinreallife.org

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 24-Apr-13 11:02:56

'blatant, relentless self promotion isn't on'
I think this would open the floodgates for precisely this.
How would you stop it?

Maybe a rule that threads can't be started with a link to a blog except in the bloggers topic?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 24-Apr-13 11:27:43

LadyBeagleEyes

'blatant, relentless self promotion isn't on'
I think this would open the floodgates for precisely this.
How would you stop it?

We would delete it, LadyBeagleEyes.

We are asking our bloggers, most of whom aren't 'blatant, relentless self promoters', it has to be said, to be mindful of Talk 'etiquette'.

As Justine has said, spamming still ain't on. But if someone happens to have written a blogpost about something other MNers are discussing on a thread, we do think it's fine for them to join the discussion and link to their blogpost on that thread when they do.

So, say there's a thread about the role of nurses today...

If a blogger comes on and posts a link to their blogpost about growing carrots, we'd delete it (when reported) as it's clearly not relevant.

If a blogger comes on and posts a link to their blogpost about nurses without any attempt to join the discussion (ie their entire post is just a link), we'd be having a quiet word with them (at the very least) and suggesting that it'd be much better all round if they engaged properly with the discussion or folks will think they're just pimping their blog.

If a blogger comes on and posts a link to their blogpost about nurses as part of a post that's clearly engaging in, and adding to, the discussion, then that's fine and dandy.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 24-Apr-13 11:28:41

TravelinColour

Maybe a rule that threads can't be started with a link to a blog except in the bloggers topic?

Yep. We have asked Bloggers not to start threads with a link to their blog - as, you're right, that could be misconstrued as spam.

CloakofAnonymity Wed 24-Apr-13 11:33:48

Brilliant idea! I am really pleased about this.

I have a blog, under a different name. It is an established blog on a specialist topic. One of the Talk topics - admittedly, one of the lesser-populated ones - is on a similar topic, with people asking questions that often require lengthy answers. I have ended up avoiding that topic because I have found it really frustrating to have the practical answers they seek to hand, but to be forbidden from posting a quick link.

As for stopping blatant self-promotion: I think that bloggers will be flamed if they try this on. Not worth the aggro.

As a longtime blogger it also gives me an incentive to join the Mumsnet Blogger Network, as up until now I couldn't really see what the benefits were. wink

Tee2072 Wed 24-Apr-13 12:01:13

Excellent! Nice to see blogged being given more of a chance to share their blogs.

Tee2072 Wed 24-Apr-13 12:02:40

Too much going on: nice to see bloggers being given more of a chance to share their blogs!

firawla Wed 24-Apr-13 12:07:06

I think this is a sensible rule, for exactly the reasons cloakofanonymity said. If something is relevant, then why not be allowed to included it just cos its a blog - people could benefit. I'm always happy to read content on blogs if its useful, and there is a lot of good content out there!

how would we know whether bloggers were part of the MN network? or is it ok for someone who isn't part of the MN network to post a relevant link if they are contributing to the discussion in the same way?

for blatant self-promotion it's easy to report and it gets dealt with pretty quickly.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 24-Apr-13 12:15:08

WillieWaggledagger

how would we know whether bloggers were part of the MN network? or is it ok for someone who isn't part of the MN network to post a relevant link if they are contributing to the discussion in the same way?

for blatant self-promotion it's easy to report and it gets dealt with pretty quickly.

Yes, it would be fine for someone who isn't part of the MN network to post a relevant link if they are contributing to the discussion - although, obviously, we would MUCH prefer all good bloggers to be in the MN Bloggers Network wink

liveotherwise Wed 24-Apr-13 12:15:14

I think this is a good amendment - I certainly will be happy to share links where they are relevant. And I wouldn't want to share irrelevant ones - who wants to sucker people into visiting their site and turning them right off it?

I daresay it will take a bit of shaking down, but looks like a step in the right direction to me.

landofmakebelieve Wed 24-Apr-13 12:22:32

I think this is a great idea, and definitely a step in the right direction to making bloggers feel more welcome on Mumsnet.
I'm a regular on here and a regular poster and participate in many discussions bun fights grin
(I only use this name for my blog though before anyone says I haven't posted for a while..... )
If the link is relevant to the thread you're active on, I think it can only be beneficial to it.
Obviously though only if it's relevant - not on to just link dump and run away...

lougle Wed 24-Apr-13 13:10:20

Very sensible, MNHQ.

I look forward to seeing interesting and relevant blog posts grin

Tee2072 Wed 24-Apr-13 13:39:03

Oh the pressure lougle!

grin

BIWI Wed 24-Apr-13 16:29:58

Oh. I won't link to mine then, lougle!
grin

Actually, I need to go and write my blog. Have been suffering from running-related injury, so haven't been running, so haven't written my blog because it's about running ...

MmeLindor Wed 24-Apr-13 16:37:47

Good idea. I'm glad that bloggers are being welcomed.

[waits for first blogger to post a link]

Hullygully Wed 24-Apr-13 17:23:04

I don't have a blog and therefore am discriminated against on the grounds that I can't link even if I want to.

Hullygully Wed 24-Apr-13 17:23:20

Maybe I'll start one.

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 24-Apr-13 17:32:02

I don't have a blog either Hully sad
As long as we're not linked to yummymummy blogs which give whole details of their BF/BTW/attached parenting/perfect life in a naice middle class part of London type blogs (of which there are many, believe me I've seen them) and badly written too it's fine.
I'm not saying they're all like that, but it is something to think about.
I'll wait and see.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 24-Apr-13 17:45:11

LadyBeagleEyes

I don't have a blog either Hully sad
As long as we're not linked to yummymummy blogs which give whole details of their BF/BTW/attached parenting/perfect life in a naice middle class part of London type blogs (of which there are many, believe me I've seen them) and badly written too it's fine.
I'm not saying they're all like that, but it is something to think about.
I'll wait and see.

But they'd be perfectly fine on a naice middle class part of London type thread, obvs <rams point home> wink

BIWI Wed 24-Apr-13 17:50:54

Well, shall I be the first?

<legs it>

BIWI Wed 24-Apr-13 17:51:10

<slowly so as not to exacerbate running injury>

Dillytante Wed 24-Apr-13 17:55:48

I think it is a good idea. Thanks to MNHQ for taking on board the suggestion.

On the topic of self promotion, why would we break this rule any more than any other mumsnetter break other rules. Many of us bloggers are long time mumsnetters.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 24-Apr-13 17:56:52

BIWI

Well, shall I be the first?

<legs it>

Ahem. Lovely blog but you should be posting the link on a thread about running/handwarmers/park birds of Britain, me dear. smile

Tee2072 Wed 24-Apr-13 17:57:16

There are plenty of blogs in the network that have nothing to do with being a mummy.

And there are blogs like mine which are peripherally about being a mummy, but mostly about being American, mentally & physically ill and pissed at the politicians of the world!

BIWI Wed 24-Apr-13 17:58:05

grin

I know there are a lot of threads on Mumsnet, Helen, but I think a handwarmer section is probably pushing it ...

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 24-Apr-13 18:02:21

BIWI

grin

I know there are a lot of threads on Mumsnet, Helen, but I think a handwarmer section is probably pushing it ...

grin

(There probably is one somewhere - among the cobwebs in Other Stuff)

Hullygully Wed 24-Apr-13 18:10:32

BUT...what if there was a thread about handwarmers and bloggers dashed off a quick para about it on their blog and then linked?

Hmmmmm?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 24-Apr-13 18:15:06

Hullygully

BUT...what if there was a thread about handwarmers and bloggers dashed off a quick para about it on their blog and then linked?

Hmmmmm?

That would be fine - if handwarmers really were what the blogpost was about, rather than, say, keeping rabbits - with a quick line about handwarmers thrown in.

But otherwise, a blogger's quickly dashed thoughts, politely and engagingly posted, are just as welcome as any other Talk regular's quickly dashed thoughts...

Hullygully Wed 24-Apr-13 18:21:05

"engagingly"?

A minefield

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 24-Apr-13 18:21:21

Pah grin
You just wait, that's all I'm saying.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 24-Apr-13 18:23:42

Hullygully

"engagingly"?

A minefield

Nah, we have faith in MN Bloggers' huge reserve of engaging-ness. <thinks positive>

Gerrof Wed 24-Apr-13 18:49:30

I think it is a great idea.

I don't have a blog but like reading good ones, I don't really trawl the bloggers network on here so to have links to them within threads would be great.

BoffinMum Wed 24-Apr-13 19:15:43

That makes sense. It's bonkers not to be able to link if people would really appreciate specific info.

domesticslattern Wed 24-Apr-13 19:53:24

Very sensible amendment. Good good.

lougle Wed 24-Apr-13 20:08:01

Pressure, Tee? You've not seen the like. I bet people are furiously typing, trying to fit key words into irrelevant blog posts as we speak grin

BoffinMum Wed 24-Apr-13 20:46:12

Linkie to blog post about linking to blog posts. wink

MmeLindor Wed 24-Apr-13 20:49:19

Hully
you have reminded me of a HILARIOUS blog with the tale of mummyblogger going shopping and finding at the till that her baby had obviously taken all the money out of her purse while playing with it earlier, and oh, how EMBARRASSING it would have been, had mummyblogger not had her VISA card in her purse.

Luckily, mummyblogger was able to pay with her VISA card, and didn't have to go all the way home without her shopping, and she was so glad that baby hadn't taken the VISA card out of the purse when she stole misplaced the money.

Moral of the story: always have your VISA card with you when you have a baby!

[post sponsored by VISA]

Maryz Wed 24-Apr-13 21:06:41

I might have to start a blog just so I can link to it <ponders>

After all, I'm a know it all, so I could link to my blog (and the answer to everything) from every thread. It might be fun in a blatant, relentless self promotion type of way

grin

katese11 Wed 24-Apr-13 21:26:28

I'm cautiously excited about this! I'm a little scared of life outside the bloggers' forum, so have mostly lurked on mumsnet, but I feel slightly less terrified now. On other fora (?!) I do have a tendency to drop a link in when someone says things like "tell me, in 500 words, why my child would enjoy the Science Museum" cause yknow, I have it right there ready. With pictures!
And yes, I am a BF/nominally attached parenting/chaotic life in a council estate in a slightly rough part of London type blogger, but the horrors of my potty-training era posts should assure you that I am far from smug....

Gerrof Wed 24-Apr-13 22:19:39

That's a really good idea Katese, that's the kind of link that would be really useful I think. It will also make threads more interesting I think.

blondieminx Wed 24-Apr-13 23:32:03

What firawla said smile

Trill Thu 25-Apr-13 08:10:49

I like this, but please can we encourage people to give a precis of the content of the blog?

OP: Question about wildfowl
Blogger: I've written a blog about how to keep herons out of your garden pond if you'd like to read it <linky>

NOT

OP; Question about wildfowl
Blogger: <linky>

MmeLindor Thu 25-Apr-13 08:26:27

I like that idea, Trills.

Patchouli Thu 25-Apr-13 08:34:58

tethersend grin

Tee2072 Thu 25-Apr-13 10:04:38

Excellent point Trills. So many of us have been burned by various links (I'm looking at you HQ with that damn bat) that knowing what we're clicking would be good!

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 25-Apr-13 11:14:46

I don't have a blog, how does anyone have the energy to write a blog? I have enough trouble living my life nevermind writing about it as well

Tee2072 Thu 25-Apr-13 11:19:14

We don't sleep Jardin. Fact.

grin

I like this idea. CBA to trawl through bloggers networks but some of them are good and this might be a good way to find the good ones (too many goods there)

certainly better than some of the shite my so-called friends link to on FB

YoniOno Thu 25-Apr-13 12:43:24

Do they have to say it's their blog? Eg 'there's this wonderful site that has lots of info I've found really useful on matching lippy to shoes' or 'on my blog I've written about this [here], take a look if you like' ??

BoffinMum Thu 25-Apr-13 13:38:19

I usually write something like, "I've written a blog post about that very matter if you would like to know more" {link}.

MmeLindor Thu 25-Apr-13 14:30:45

I do think it is polite to say that it is your own blog.

olgaga Thu 25-Apr-13 14:37:44

I tried to join the bloggers network (twice) with my Survive Separation advice and links blog but MNHQ ignored me!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Apr-13 14:38:31

This is a great idea.

I think this is a good move. I have linked to my blog on a couple of threads in the past, usually when they've been about current affairs.

I'm always very upfront that it is mine though. Seems strange to be able to link to other people's but not your own!

Presumably starting a thread in order to promote your blog is still frowned up :-D

I'm a new member of the bloggers network but don't want my blog associated with this name (not because it's bad, just because I want to keep it compartmentalised grin).

Presumably it's ok to have a new name for when I'm posting about blog stuff, but what if a thread I'm on as Joyful evolves and I want to link to something on my blog? Presumably the sockpuppeting rules still apply, so would I just have to keep quiet and fume in frustration ?

BasilBabyEater Thu 25-Apr-13 21:29:16

Yes can I ask about the name thing? I use a different name for my blog because of paranoia about being recognised in RL as some people know my MN ID but I don't necessarily want them to know I'm the same person who does my blog IYSWIM.

I just name change wink

agreenmouse Thu 25-Apr-13 22:31:08

Just to clarify, if I post something with a link to my blog on a relevant thread in Talk, am I supposed to make clear that the blog is on Mumsnet and that I am the blogger, or is that not required?

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 26-Apr-13 18:31:23

agreenmouse

Just to clarify, if I post something with a link to my blog on a relevant thread in Talk, am I supposed to make clear that the blog is on Mumsnet and that I am the blogger, or is that not required?

It's not required agreenmouse but it's probably a good idea. We are thinking about whether there might be an auto way of showing that you're a member of MN bloggers network when you post on talk...

olgaga Fri 26-Apr-13 20:17:36

So Justine, while you're here, why hasn't MNHQ responded to my request to include my advice and links blog in the MN Bloggers Network? I made two requests, the first on 7 December 2012, and I was told you'd been "inundated".

To the second request on 9 January 2013 I got no response at all!

Justine - re: signalling you're a blogger.

I have a name I use connected to my blog, which I use in some (non-blog related) talk boards but also have another name which I use when I want to be anonymous.

I would like to be able to keep that option without it flagging up a Bloggers' badge b

hz Fri 26-Apr-13 20:49:43

Thank goodness for that. I have been very frustrated by the rule recently and I had been mentally drafting a persuasive e-mail to mumsnet towers to try and get them to see sense. I see my powers of persuasion are beyond anything I had previously imagined. I only had to THINK about it and it happened.

Trill Sat 27-Apr-13 11:57:22

My blog is in my real name. I have so far never linked it using my "known" MN name (if I can be so smug as to claim that I am "known").

Will I get told off for sockpuppeting if I post "here's a blog that I wrote about this subject that might be useful" under one name, then switch back to Trills to carry on the conversation? Or should I stick to one name per conversation? I guess I should really.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 28-Apr-13 22:31:02

olgaga

So Justine, while you're here, why hasn't MNHQ responded to my request to include my advice and links blog in the MN Bloggers Network? I made two requests, the first on 7 December 2012, and I was told you'd been "inundated".

To the second request on 9 January 2013 I got no response at all!

I don't know the answer to that Olgaga but I will wave this in front of Kate and the Bloggers Network team.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 29-Apr-13 10:06:51

Trill

My blog is in my real name. I have so far never linked it using my "known" MN name (if I can be so smug as to claim that I am "known").

Will I get told off for sockpuppeting if I post "here's a blog that I wrote about this subject that might be useful" under one name, then switch back to Trills to carry on the conversation? Or should I stick to one name per conversation? I guess I should really.

Probably best to stick to one name per convo, Trills. Can you not just carry on the whole convo in your "blog" name instead?

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 29-Apr-13 10:21:53

newpencilcase

Justine - re: signalling you're a blogger.

I have a name I use connected to my blog, which I use in some (non-blog related) talk boards but also have another name which I use when I want to be anonymous.

I would like to be able to keep that option without it flagging up a Bloggers' badge b

Don't worry, newpencilcase - it would be an optional function that you'd have to 'switch on'.

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 29-Apr-13 10:23:02

olgaga

I tried to join the bloggers network (twice) with my Survive Separation advice and links blog but MNHQ ignored me!

Yikes, Olgaga - we're looking into this and will email you shortly.

olgaga Mon 29-Apr-13 15:07:58

Just got a v nice email from y'all smile.

As my blog and identity here and on MN are anonymous, I take it I can submit a photo of my DD's bear or something rather than myself!?

AnyFucker Wed 01-May-13 22:15:10

This is great HQ, thank you

The Survive Separation blog is something that is very useful and to not be able to link to it directly just didn't make sense to me

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 02-May-13 16:07:41

DD's bear is fine, Olgaga grin

olgaga Fri 03-May-13 01:32:54

Fame at last for Huggy then. I'll see if he's available for a photoshoot this weekend grin.

healthfreakanna Thu 23-May-13 17:58:08

sounds great smile

IsBella Sun 26-May-13 12:19:41

Viz trill's question, the best solution is to carry on the conversation under your blogger name, but then what happens if you've already started the convo under your other MN name and then want to post your blog?

(As I jsut did? blush)

Sorry, I'll try not to do that, it's just that I'd started talking and then got wound up and wrote a blog post because I couldn't rant all I wanted to on the thread. grin

fieldsomewhere Tue 04-Jun-13 21:42:32

Think this is a good idea.

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