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I need some MN no-nonsense perspectives please [quake]

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Greensneeze · 16/05/2009 20:36

OK the background is that 3 years ago I cut off contact with my mother and stepfather. It was very nasty and acrimonious, it actually made me quite ill at the time and we ended up getting the police involved and my mother/stepfather had to sign the harassment act etc

I have an older sister whom I haven't seen since just after my wedding 8 years ago. She and I have always had a bad relationship, she is very similar to my mother - cruel, deceitful, has no behavioural boundaries etc. But she can be very charming and reasonable too when she wants to be. My feeling about both her and my mother is that the "good things" simply are not worth it, because they will ALWAYS hurt me in the end, they always have and it wouldn't ever change.

My sister knew I was in hospital for weeks on end and in a wheelchair when I had ds1, and that he was in intensive care and I nearly died during the birth etc. She was in phone contact with my dad (relationships in my family are few and far between, virtually nobody will speak to anyone else). She didn't give a shit, didn't wish us well or want to see us, no card, nothing. She told me dad she was sick of hearing about me.

The whole time I was the only one supporting and talking to my mum, she and my sister didn't communicate at all, they had a huge row after my wedding (well during it really) and I gave my sister my house keys so she could stay at mine (she had just come bck from Japan and was meant to be staying at my mum's, but my sister was crying saying mum had thrown her out)

My mother kicked off the most almighty row over my disloyalty in giving my sister somewhere to stay, endless phone calls and abusive messages and letters, waking us up repeatedly in themiddle of the night, screaming and ranting and making wild and bizarre accusations.

A few years later when my older brother got in touch I invited him to come and see ds1. I spent weeks preparing my mother for this and had her promise that she would not phone or come over during that few days and cause a scene. Previously she had made it a condition of our relationship that I not have any contact with my brother, bvecause he didn't want to see her, and it would therefore be disloyal of me. But I wanted him to meet his only nephew, and my mother assured me that she understood and would control herself. The phone calls and abusiveness started about 3 hours after he arrived and it got so bad he had to leave early. At that point my mother continued the "episode" for several months - my 16yo half brother ended up staying with me for months and going to school on the train, because she threw him out for wanting to see my brother. She also did charming things like dumping the entire collection of family photo albums on my doorstep in a binbag. SHe then took an overdose (on my brother's birthday, she saved up her pills) and went straight to my stepdad and saifd "call and ambulance, I've taken an overdose". She was taken to hospital, was fine and talked her way around the duty psychiatrist. After that dh and I accepted all the blame for everything and went back to the usual routine on her terms because I was afraid she would succeed next time.

The final episode happened when I told her - over a period of months, and again she promised me she could handle it - that I wanted to stop the rigid two-days-a-week routine (which involved my stepfather picking me and the boys up aa the crack of dawn and then me spending two hours getting her up and out of bed, then going out and not getting back until 8pm with two tired toddlers). DS1 was starting nursery and I wanted more flexibility and more time of my own. We set up several dates for meeting up and for weekend things so she wouldn't feel dumped.

She kicked off, predictably, after a phone call just after he started nursery in which she nonchalantly said "XXX can pick you up from the nursery car park and we'll do our two days a week as usual" and I said "Er no, that's not what we agreed". Cue months of abusive phone calls - up to 30 a night (we got voicemail in the end and woke up to the messages in the morning). It culminated in her turning up at ds1's nursery and then her and stapofather chasing dh through the streets in their car, parking outside our house for hours etc.

my sister has miraculously been in touch with my mother since I disappeared from her life, after years of no contact. She started ringing up my dad (who now has no contact with my mother because he was here and saw some of the behaviour - it was the biggest shock of his life, he has no idea of the kind of childhood they gave us while he was away). She asks questions about me and dh and the boys and tries to probe into what happened with my mother. Today she called my dad's phone, which he has left at our house, and dh answered it. She was very calm and reasonable but very pushy, trying to get him to get me, and asking him to make sure I call her back. As far as she is concerned there is "no problem between me and her"

I don't want to call her. I don't want anything to do with her, I don't trust her and I think all she wants is to gain brownie points with my mother by forging a link. She wasn't interested in meeting my children before (they are 6 and 4) and I don't believe she is interested now. She has hurt me with her viciousness and deceit all my life and I don't want to let her, or any of them, back in.

What would you do? Honestly? I'm prepared for some brutal responses, I've had them before on MN when I've posted about all this. I could really, really use some advice. I am actually shaking inside and out

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Greensneeze · 16/05/2009 20:44

didn't realise how long that was

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Doodle2U · 16/05/2009 20:47

Jeez, that's a bloody mess of a family

Brutal - You're in a good place now. Your children are you priority and they are still at an age where they need 100% of you, not an emotionally battered version of you. Sooooo, I would do precisely feck all. Stay away. No contact. Let them screw each other's lives up for the next couple of years.

They are responsible for themselves. You are not responsible for them. If your mother succeeded in croaking through suicide, it would be through cack-handedness and not design because she's too much of an attention seeker to really want to do it - she'd miss all the huge reactions if she snuffed it.

Stay away Greeny - you've fulfilled your obligations long ago. Live YOUR life now.

IMO.

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gagarin · 16/05/2009 20:48

You finish by saying...

I don't want to let her, or any of them, back in.

So don't!

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kalo12 · 16/05/2009 20:49

my god,

poor you. i would get some counselling for myself for a bit of support and then be very very cautious.

not sure what else to say

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FouxDuFaFa · 16/05/2009 20:49

I don't know the history (apart from what you've outlined here).

My response would be to do as you say - you don't want to contact her and you say it has made you ill in the past. Your own health has to be your priority.

I have no contact with my dad, although I have to say he doesn't cause me problems like you're experiencing. As you'll probably have seen on the other thread - we're not the only ones who have decided to put up with no more of this sort of crap.

Can I ask why you think replies will be blunt? It seems like you've got your head round the situation quite well...

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peggotty · 16/05/2009 20:49

Is it at all possible that your sister may have changed, had some kind of personal revelation and genuinely want to make amends? You may not want to take the risk - hell, that is one toxic family you come from, and I assume that her childhood was every bit as shit as yours? It's a difficult call. Is there a way for you to suss her out without getting your dc involved in seeing her?

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LilianGish · 16/05/2009 20:51

If it were me, in all honesty, I'd stick to my guns and cut them all out of my life. I'd gather my children close and my dh and say "This is my family now" and I'd close the door on all the nastiness and viciousness before it starts to infect them. You don't owe them anything, but you do owe it to your own kids to give them a happy and secure upbringing.

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peggotty · 16/05/2009 20:51

hmmmm, the 'there is no problem between me and her' is worrying actually... suggests she is somewhat deluded about her own behaviour.

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Greensneeze · 16/05/2009 20:53

wow, responses

I don't want to let her in, and I don't trust her at all - she can be very very hurtful and destructive in her own right, even if she weren't trawling on my mother's behalf, which I think she is.

BUT as peggoty says maybe her motives are good this time. I can't see it, but I could be wrong.

And then all the stuff about the children's rights to see their extended family comes up - I don't find it difficult justifying keeping them away from mum/stepdad, it's a decision I made very firmly and will stick to. They currently live a life free of all that twisted hurtful crap - not a perfect life, I'm not a perfect parent - but free of all that stuff. I don't trust my sister and I don't want our life to fall apart again

but if I was a stronger person, maybe I would be able to manage a relationship with her that would give the chjildren their Auntie but not fuck me up - I don't think I can do that

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Overmydeadbody · 16/05/2009 20:57

Oh my god, you poor thing.

If you don't want her in your life, I think you are perfectly justified in deciding that and judt not calling her.

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HolyGuacamole · 16/05/2009 20:58

Wow, what a horrendous story

Totally understand why you don't want contact. You have been used in terms of emotional blackmail for years and been bounced from pillar to post with threats over who you see and don't see. Forgive me for saying this but your mother sounds like a loonball.....attempting suicide on your brothers birthday, how low and selfish can a person be?! A lot of your story sounds familiar to me as my own family are mental too.

Anyway, nobody can tell you what to do about your sister but I can say what I would do if I were you and it is only my personal opinion so is not necessarily right for you.....I'd tell her to leave me alone and stay out of my life with no room for discussion on the matter. That is just me though and it would not be stubbornness, it would be self protection based on previous experience.

Sometimes in life you have to be very selfish and put yourself, your sanity and your happiness first. Only you can decide if you want to take the risk of giving her a second chance.

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Snorbs · 16/05/2009 20:59

What would I do? Honestly? Keep as far away from both your sister and your mother as humanly possible. They sound horrible. Your mother, in particular, sounds like she's got some really serious issues. You know that your sister has a track record of nice followed by nasty so why fall for it all over again?

Just because we share some genes with our family, it doesn't give them special permission to treat us like crap. You're a grown-up. You have every right to pick and choose who you want to be involved in your life. As you say - you don't want to call her. So don't. At all.

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Shitemum · 16/05/2009 21:02

Your DC are better off without that kind of extended family.

I would keep well away from them and don't let your sister back into your life. If she's changed she'll find a non-agressive way to let you know.

It's good you have your Dad on your side.

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blinks · 16/05/2009 21:07

don't call her. don't answer the phone to her and get some counselling.

change your phone no. if necessary.

she sounds poisonous.

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Doodle2U · 16/05/2009 21:10

"but if I was a stronger person, maybe I would be able to manage a relationship with her that would give the chjildren their Auntie but not fuck me up - I don't think I can do that"

The children do not need an Auntie. Two or three 'sound' friends is all anyone needs and they'll make those friends themselves. Plenty of kids grow up without aunts, uncles or grandparents.

If you were a stronger person - You've come through all of that and somehow, managed to get yourself into a good place and now you think you should be stronger???! Fook me, your expectations of yourself are unrealistic....come and join us mere mortals

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LilianGish · 16/05/2009 21:11

Your dcs do not need that sort of poison in their lives - in fact if it comes to children's rights, I'd say they were entitled to be protected from all that nastiness. If it were me and my children I wouldn't take the risk - never mind one last chance I'd have the attitude that your sister has had her chance and she blew it. What are your dh's family like?

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AbricotsSecs · 16/05/2009 21:14

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FrannyandZooey · 16/05/2009 21:14

god no, greeny, you know what to do really
keep away from them all - there's no advantage to the children in having a dodgebox witch for an aunt, and so what if her motives are good this time? it'd be like letting them play with a dog that had already bitten several people, because THIS TIME it might be friendly, and they MIGHT have a really fun time with it

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pooka · 16/05/2009 21:29

IMO better not to reintroduce aunt to family fold when past experience has shown you how toxic she can be.

I know people talk of giving chances, but how would you feel if contact was resumed only for it all to fall down nastily again in the future - especially in terms of whether that would effect your children as well as yourself.

Ignore message from your sister is my advice. Your gut instinct seems to be leading you in that direction anyway.

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warthog · 16/05/2009 23:25

no no no no no no no no no

you do not have to let her back into your life. you do not want to.

you said yourself she can be charming when she wants to be but will turn. she won't have had a personality transplant.

leave well alone. do not give into guilt.

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BecauseImWorthIt · 16/05/2009 23:31

Greeny - you know what is right. Your children will gain nothing from these relations.

Create the family that you want and that you deserve.

Sorry, but I'm going to send you some {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

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lou33 · 16/05/2009 23:32

don't go back there, keep it in the past, your life is better without them

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KerryMumbles · 16/05/2009 23:33

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Chunkamatic · 16/05/2009 23:39

Sad though it must be for you, it sounds like you have managed to accept that your life is better without your mother and sister in it. If you're instincts tell you her motives aren't honest then trust them.

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KiwiKat · 16/05/2009 23:51

Just because you're related to someone doesn't make them a nice person. Sounds like you've made a decision that you're happy with, so if it were me I'd stick with it.

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