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What have i done?! Have I been dating a narcissist?

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slimedagain · 01/08/2014 22:25

Hi i have been reading desperately trying to make sense of it all and just wanted to know if i have been dating a narcissist and how do i deal with myself now? I cant stop crying and need to concentrate on my children.

I got with this guy (N) after I split from my husband primarily because ex h had a porn addiction (and didn't tell me ) whilst pretending he had no sex drive.
I have been friends with N for over a decade, good friends I thought.
Much of our relationship we discussed different women he liked,mutual friends, colleagues etc. He was often confused about which woman he's after had a few relationships while i knew him and a few flings that he told me about.
When talking about previous relationships there were a couple of women who i feel were quite vulnerable, he talked about himself as the victim and those (younger) women hoodwinking him into relationships and 'playing' him.
Years ago i was friendly with one of those women and i clearly remember her saying "i'm free" after splitting up with him.

When my ex husband and i split N declared his feelings for me and as we'd always connected and i was in desperate need of some passion i (stupidly) fell straight into an intense relationship with him.

During our long friendship he was preoccupied with having kids, spending time around other people's kids. He said that when i became a mother i really blossomed and that's when he really started to fall in love with me.

Quite early on in our relationship he talked to me about porn, asking me repeatedly: "what would you do if i was addicted? How do you know im not? " it made me uncomfortable, uneasy and scared especially as he knew what i'd been through with my ex. I told him how i felt and he explained it away saying it was just our usual banter and meant nothing. He seemed surprised i was upset but apologised saying he was addicted to porn but no longer needs it as is no longer single and has me. At this point you'll be wondering what on earth kept me friends with him, he never presents this side of himself to friends that i know of, lots of people think hes amazing and i know a LOT of women who are attracted to him, he's the original charismatic, creative, great listener, really insightful and gives great advice, the ideal male best friend, or so he seemed...

Although i knew years ago he smoked dope (we all did back then) it was only recently he told me he was addicted to cannabis and had only stopped very recently but was still spending lots of time around a good friend who is regularly smoking dope around him. N seemed to enjoy showing how controlled he was around his dopey friend.

The next thing which unsettled me was him getting really angry over a discussion over me confiding in a mutual friend, telling me how dangerous her partner is so therefore i shouldn't trust her. I was defensive about my friend and he started to try and scare me talking about things her partner had done and demanding a response from me. I cried and asked him to stop trying to scare me, when he'd stopped he said he'd only been trying to guide me.

During the brief relationship there were a few angry outbursts when he was feeling criticised, questioned or disagreed with, they were so at odds with the friend he was and the lover he'd become, i used to get upset and then he'd beg me not to leave and told me stories about his childhood abandonment issues. Lots of the stuff he told me about his horrible childhood he said he'd never told anybody else before except for his therapist.

Another weird thing that he did when recounting stories about himself he talked about 'this person' or 'that person' instead of saying their names. I told him it was weird and unsettling and then he stopped doing it.

when i was under immense pressure and had asked for some time out from the 'relationship' to sort out my other personal issues, he planned to take another woman out (one of his large posse of women friends). Previously when we were just friends he'd expressed strong feelings for her to me. I got so upset when he told me that he cancelled the date and said it was just as friends, but he didn't mean to distress me.

One day he came to my door, i was upstairs so slow in answering and when i got there he was outside talking to a woman he'd recently met at a staff training event. He'd previously told me about this woman, ridiculing her as a 'dolly bird' and calling her 'blondie'. She was very attractive in a well groomed slim blonde kind of way. They were chatting quite mundane stuff in front of me, then she left and said goodbye, i walked back into the house and as she left i heard her call to him "i will go for THAT coffee with you". He muttered "no you won't" under his breath and i felt he was genuinely shaken by my overhearing her say that. I asked him if he was planning on going for coffee with her and he replied "no!" Quite vehemently, and said he'd i troduced me to her as "the love of his life" i didn't bother saying anything else i just let it fester while i continued to manage other stressors in my life, but i see this woman about 4 times every day in my local area and am often tempted to ask her about the coffee comment and find out how the discussion had come about although i won't gain anything from knowing, it's just tormenting myself.

When we first got together he kept telling me what an amazing body i have (i haven't!) then after we'd been together a while he was casually mentioning a few times about my 'bulk' and talking about me toning up/would love to see me toned up. Very subtle throw-away comments but enough to make me feel belittled. I remember him in a previous relationship when his partner was trying to get pregnant he was saying things about her figure hoping she won't put on more weight after having kids, at the time i was young free and no kids and thought this was just a normal blokey observation.

He also told me that other people were saying there was a violent end to one of his relationships but he told me a completely different story and because he was my friend i believed the story. Another friend recently reminded me of this incident and i've recently noticed he's always changing his story to suit his mood/the circumstances and getting really angry when challenged.

One of his very old, close friends (one of his harem) recently became pregnant. N said to me she is no longer interesting now she's always talking about expecting a baby.

He kept offering to do various chores to help me out as i was juggling so many things, he got cross and irritated a couple of times then said he was struggling to keep up the being nice and kind, trying to prove he was better than my ex. It was around this time that i started to feel that he was acting out a charade and hiding behind a facade.
The sex also took a darker turn but as i have always been 'adventurous' it didn't really add up until after that he was the one instigating the change of tone because after we'd had more dark sex he said it was worrying him the turn things were taking and he didn't want to lose the tenderness and romance. He said he'd never done some of the things before and was just being led by me but his performance was very authentic and it felt to me like it was very natural to him.

I also found out since we split that he kept dating profile open although he doesnt appear to have logged on for a while.

In between al this madness we did have an amazing time, doing fun stuff, going to beautiful places but i felt increasingly that he was only happy as long as i was adoring and not challenging.

I dont really know why i'm writing here, i just feel really stupid, foolish, angry with myself and depressed that while i thought i was getting some hot sex and passion as well as romance he was most likely just using me and possibly lining up other women behind my back.

It's hard to talk about in real life because friends and family just thought it was rebound and that i was jumping in too soon, nobody seems in the slightest bit interested in my pain now, it really hurts so soon after a divorce and i wish i'd never given him head/heart space.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 01/08/2014 22:43

So you met a bloke, went out with him for a bit and then discovered he was a twat.... It all sounds very intense and you clearly had high hopes but, as you said at the outset, you got rushed into it and the danger signs were there from the start.

I realise it hurts a lot and that it hurts more to think that you've been taken for a fool. But that's the dating game, unfortunately. It's always a risk. Rather than feeling stupid and angry with yourself, place the blame where it truly lies - Mr Arse Biscuit - and try to learn something from the experience so that you can spot the danger signs earlier another time.

As for friends and family, you can tell them that this has knocked your confidence and ask if they'll help you rebuild it. Good luck

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Gogglepox · 01/08/2014 22:45

See if any of this rings true...

thenarcissistinyourlife.com

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thenamehaschanged · 01/08/2014 22:46

Mr Arse Biscuit! Grin

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thenamehaschanged · 01/08/2014 22:51

You know, in the olden days Slimedagain, they were just called bullies. I've been through all the buzz words with mine, narcissist, histrionic, sociopath etc....at the end of the day, he's a twat, he's not good enough for me and it's time to get rid and move on. End of. Good luck x

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Egghead68 · 01/08/2014 22:53

Well you are well rid.

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Meerka · 01/08/2014 22:53

I'm sorry for your pain.

Just because it's a rebound doenst mean it hurts less and very charming people can appear to be absolutely Mr Perfect. Loosing the illusion and seeing the reality .... well loosing the illusion just on its own is very painful.

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slimedagain · 01/08/2014 22:54

thank you so much for your quick and kind replies. It's devastating to think that i've been lied to again. I was brought up by a narcissistic mother and an addict father so its not suprising i keep attracting the same personality types even if they are packaged very differently each time!
I feel sure i would have spotted the danger signs much sooner had we not been friends for so long, i was never planning to date so soon after splitting from ex but it seemed like providence, someone i'd known so well so long, it felt foolproof, ah hahaha out of the frying pan....
I feel so sad and sorry for myself right now and mega angry with me but i have children to think about and have to try and hold it together.
I was still smarting from the failed marriage and have been signed off sick because i'm an emotional wreck right now.

Gogglepox lots of the signs ring true but as cogito says he could just be a twat and an 'arse biscuit'!

Thanks again for taking the time to reply

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slimedagain · 01/08/2014 22:57

Thank you meerka thats really kind, it really smarts. I feel so lonely right now, i was lonely throughout my marriage and this guy appeared to have everything i needed, what an idiot, blinded by grand gestures and flowery words!

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Meerka · 01/08/2014 23:04

The Freedom programme is supposed to be extremely good, lots of people swear by it. If you tend to go for the wrong sort of male, maybe it'd be worth a look.

take care and be kind to yourself.

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slimedagain · 01/08/2014 23:08

I've never heard of the freedom programme i'll look it up. Thanks so much, its great to share all this stuff. Its hard to turn to people irl because when i tell people they seem to gloss over it which sends me back into introvert again and i just stop sharing my pain.

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PittTheYounger · 02/08/2014 07:41

What is the point of the op?

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PlumpPartridge · 02/08/2014 07:59

I dont really know why i'm writing here, i just feel really stupid, foolish, angry with myself and depressed

I imagine the op would like some comfort, Pitt.

Sorry op, it is horrible when someone you care about (however briefly) turns into such an arse. It's ok to feel sad about what you hoped for and how it simply wasn't to be.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 02/08/2014 08:04

The point is that the OP is very distressed at having been the victim of a man that treated her very badly and is not getting support IRL. Do try to keep up PP... Hmm

OP... try not to think of it as 'attracting' the same personality types. You are not some kind of beacon, tempting though it is to form that conclusion. We all meet 'Mr Arse Biscuit' from time to time and, like the devil, they have the ability to assume pleasing shapes. When you're down and lonely, someone who seems enthusiastic & talking about love and babies can be very appealing.

But you know this already. What you lack, if you'll forgive the observation, is the confidence to kick these people out of your life the minute you have doubts. For example, when he had that conversation about porn which unsettled and upset you, you could have called time then and there. That's the kind of thing the Freedom Programme can help you with. Get out before you get hurt.

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butterflybuttons · 02/08/2014 08:10

www.onespace.org.uk/elearning/courses/freedom-programme

Freedom Programme can be done online for free if you can't do it in person.

OP - your post sounds sad - thank goodness you are not with him. Give yourself time to grieve for your marriage and the hope of this new relationship too.

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springydaffs · 02/08/2014 08:57

Oh you poor thing. I do appreciate how much it hurts - ESPECIALLY as you considered him a longstanding friend, therefore safe. It can be so dispiriting. You feel like a complete idiot, ashamed. Something similar happened to me and there's a dark hole where that relationship is concerned... BUT there shouldn't be, it wasn't me who was vile.

I also fell out in spectacular fashion with a very old (male) friend from sixth form days. It is still a very sore spot - you think you know someone, that it is steady and sure. You've not only lost a lover, a potential longstanding relationship, but also an old, and you thought trusted, friend.

I think that if you've been very hurt and very lonely ( your family background sounds horrific) you hope that, at last, things are going right, you're back in the land of the living enjoying a NORMAL relationship like the rest of the human race. Realising he was just more of the same is so upsetting. Also, there are a huge percentage who are in fucked up relationships, so we're not alone by a long chalk.

Sorry to lay it on with a trowel, though - I just do relate. No matter, pick yourself up, do the work (have you addressed your background eg with a good, and skilled, therapist?), give yourself space to heal. You've had enough pain, it's time for you now xxxx

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springydaffs · 02/08/2014 08:58

And you might get some new friends while you're at it...

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slimedagain · 02/08/2014 08:59

Thanks for the kind defences folks. pitttheyounger i posted because i feel desperately sad and lonely, nobody in my life gives a fuck which is partly why i clung to some useless fecks for attention and affection.
I came on here for some fellowship, hopefully some kindness and to maybe talk to people who have been in similar situations or who are in similar situations.

Butterflybuttons i have signed up for the freedom prog thank you i hope it helps, i am really struggling tday with feeling stupid, lonely and trying to get the kids ready for a family day out. It really hurts that none of my friends and family want to listen to me, nobody took this relationship seriously and i have had such a shit journey with my marriage ending , i am trying to come to terms with bring a single parent but it's so hard. And i don't know how to keep bouncing back .

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slimedagain · 02/08/2014 09:13

springydaffs your message made me really cry. Thank you for sharing your experience, it does hurt so much. The weird thing is that alhtough i know he was toxic i really really miss him. Everything i thought we had was fake which is exactly what happened in my marriage as well, i feel duped and gutted, it's really knocked me, my comfidence and self esteem although i know i should be pleased i nipped it in the bud before things turned really nasty.
I'm also conversely gutted he hasn't put up more of a fight for me but i know that this is because he knows i'm on to his fucked up masquerade.
Yes losing a longterm friendship is devastating especially when we share a lot of friends, they are all much younger than him and have him on a pedastal so i cant seek any solace there without looking like a bitter bitch, it feels like it's my secreet cross to bear.
Ho-hum onwards and upwards....

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slimedagain · 02/08/2014 09:14

IhD a great therapist but she went on mat leave and i have never found one since who wants to address the past, everybody seems focussed on the future which is fair enough but at the same time if i dont deal with hte past it might keep happening.

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slimedagain · 02/08/2014 09:15

Thankyou plumppartridge and cogito

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butterflybuttons · 02/08/2014 09:36

You are not stupid - you trusted someone because you thought they were good. You judged by your own standards. That makes you very brave and good in my eyes.

Single parenthood is hard - but it is easier than being with someone who is wrong and treats you appallingly.

I found the Freedom Programme invaluable. Now it is time to look after yourself and find your confidence and self respect. It is all there. You just need to believe in yourself.

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springydaffs · 02/08/2014 09:53

You miss all the hope, lovely xxxx (sorry to be sloppy, I could give you a hug)

The old 6th form friend wasn't even a lover well, he was at one brief point but that's another story . I visited him and his wife in France, where they live and were doing up an old barn. The visit was horrific, they were up to their necks in drugs (who knew??) and I was screamed at, sworn at, couldnt get enough food, practically treated like Cinderella; ended up escaping across the French countryside with my suitcase in the boiling heat, took me 2 days to get to the coast, therefore home.... Anyway, sorry to go on, it was an horrific story, a total shock, completely unexpected. And on top of all that I lost my great, old friend. I couldn't help thinking what was wrong with me that I had friends like that... But my thinking was WRONG. They chose to take drugs, they chose to be psychos, I didn't; I was just going to help them with their build. Normal stuff, you know?

I'm telling you that story because it could happen to anyone - in fact soon after I met someone who had, coincidentally, just returned from a trip to France and had been mashed up by someone in the group who was on drugs! She had ended up meandering around the french countryside - with her husband, so not alone - on christmas day, fleeing the psycho. She didn't know my story. She was very, very upset - I don't know if she took it personally, as you and I tend to with our disordered backgrounds; but most people, normal people, run through their responsibility for the end result. Just that you and I perhaps take on too much responsibility, assume we're jinxed, asking for it...

Sorry to gush, though. Horrible things happen to anybody is what I'm trying to say.

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slimedagain · 02/08/2014 09:54

butterflybuttons ultimately i ended it with both these men because i was thinking of the impact it was having on my emotional availability for my children. My head was so filled with anxiety and depression about what i was putting up with and with trying to fathom the unfathomable that i couldn't focus on what was happening at home.
I have been there for my children but i knew as long as i was worrying about relationships im not giving my all to my kids.
I only ended it with this chap this week which is why it is all so emotional at the moment, i am only just coming to the realisation that he was an arse and i let myself be fooled by a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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slimedagain · 02/08/2014 09:59

springydaffs thanks for wanting to hug me, i really appreciate the sentiment.
Your experience sounds horrific, especially with two of them going nuts
, and in a foreign country too. He kept talking about us going abroad and showing me morocco imagine what it could have been like, i would have had to kiss his arse the while time or something hideous could have happened, thank God i got out now.

It is a terrible shock when somebody turns on you who you thought was somebody important to you. I have been in several disastrous relationships so i shouldn't be surprised but it still really hurts.

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Meerka · 02/08/2014 10:28

If it's any help, there are still lovely, sane, gentle and steadfast men out there.

They tend to be not quite so showy and not quite so exiting on the surface, but they do exist.

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