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problems with partners children and mine - help!!

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wantanewname · 24/07/2014 22:50

Hi, I live with my DS who is nearly 11 and have been dating my boyfriend for 2 and half years. We are planning (or had been) to move in together. We are both in our mid forties and very happy together apart from one major issue.

He has four children, the older two are 19 and 20 and he has twins who are nearly 14, all are girls. They are all lovely children, none of them are malicious but they don't interact with my son. The twins spend three nights a week with their dad so are around a lot but the older two are both at university. The twins are typical teenage girls, they are into facebook, boys, make up, music etc. and my son is basically just into messing about with his mates. There is no common ground. I don't expect them to be friends or have much or anything in common but they quite simply ignore him. I know this is partly because they are twins, they are totally in their own little world, interested only really in themselves (they even have their own language) but they leave him out of conversations and don't talk to him at all.

This is becoming more and more of an issue and I just don't know what to do to resolve it. He is miserable about it and feels very isolated in their company and now refuses to go to their house. I have brought this up over and over with my boyfriend and he basically (like most parents) can't see his children doing anything wrong. He says my son is difficult for them to communicate with and to be fair he does completely retreat into himself in their company. He is a quiet and modest boy anyway and they are extroverts which doesn't help. I have encouraged him to talk more, to ask questions etc. and he does try but they answer but don't give anything more back. We are supposed to all be going away camping in a couple of weeks and moving in together later in the year but I have told my boyfriend that none of this is happening unless this is resolved.

I just don't know what to do. I feel the onus is on them to see that they are leaving him out and for my boyfriend to a) notice the problem b) speak sternly to his girls about leaving him out rather than the onus being on my DS to try harder to get on with 2 older girls who are intimidating to him (because there are two of them, because they are twins and because they are older). I also feel the older two make no effort to talk to him so actually (although I haven't said this) I think he should speak to all of them about how it would feel if they were in this position.

At my wits end, we've just had a big row about it...please advise!

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wantanewname · 24/07/2014 22:53

I don't want to end my relationship with my boyfriend because of this but I also feel hugely protective towards my son because I can see how he is feeling.

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UncrushedParsley · 24/07/2014 22:56

I can see this is a problem, but many full siblings would not interact much with the age/gender differences you have here, so I wonder if your expectations are a little high? I say this as someone who hated my sister (4 yrs younger) until she was about 40 Grin.

Maybe if they could be persuaded to just show a bit of interest in him? Might be some middle ground here.

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Heels99 · 24/07/2014 22:58

I would re think the moving in, it sounds like it would be very stress.full. you can't force them to be friends unfortunately

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wantanewname · 24/07/2014 22:59

thank you for replying and yes I do agree that there is so little common ground that friendship isn't really possible but they show no interest in him (I suppose he's just a boring 10 year old boy who happens to be their father's girlfriend's boy). But he's getting miserable in their company and my boyfriend can't see how bad it is and obviously thinks his children are without fault.

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RollerCola · 24/07/2014 23:00

I really don't think I'd want to move in together under these circumstances. You have to put your children first. Have you asked all the children how they feel about you all moving in? I would imagine your son isn't looking forward to it. Will they all be moving in to your house or are you going to his, or are you moving into a new property?

Don't rush anything. Perhaps see how everyone feels after the camping trip.

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mike07 · 24/07/2014 23:02

I would still go on the camping trip as it's surprising how the communication between them changes once they get over the shock of having no internet or phone signal.

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wantanewname · 24/07/2014 23:02

I am also very worried about the camping trip, it's to a festival so has cost quite a lot but I want to back out. I can see it not being a fun occasion...

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wantanewname · 24/07/2014 23:04

my son has been all in favour of us moving in together. He gets on very well with my boyfriend but we mainly see him on his own when he hasn't got his girls. I pointed out that they would be there every weekend and he is less keen now! We would both sell up and get a place together.

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violetwellies · 24/07/2014 23:06

There is four years between my DB & I, at that age we fought, bitching and fists, nasty, violent behaviour.
Not talking, is in comparison, a minor issue.

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wantanewname · 24/07/2014 23:08

violetwellies, yes I know it could be worse and at least they like me and my son likes my boyfriend and there is nothing unpleasant in their interaction. But my son is getting angry about being ignored and I don't blame him, I feel angry on his behalf

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rollonthesummer · 24/07/2014 23:17

No way would I sell up and combine houses if ds was feeling this unhappy. I'm not sure about the future with your dp really as he is just dismissing your concerns.

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wantanewname · 24/07/2014 23:18

the main immediate worry is the camping trip but I am also very worried that my partner just can't see what I see and allows this to happen over and over. He has apparently spoken to them many times but nothing seems to change.

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mariposaazul · 24/07/2014 23:21

I think you should go to the festival as you won't be just the family - there will usually be activities for different age groups in a happy atmosphere (unless weather really awful!) If it happens to be Green Man it is the loveliest festival & yr son would enjoy Einstein's garden but all festivals try to cater to families & there will be lots of other kids around too

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wantanewname · 24/07/2014 23:36

ok will give the festival a go. I will need to sleep in a separate tent with my Ds as he wouldn't sleep with the girls and there isn't enough room for us all in one tent. I must admit though that my own feelings have changed too though from feeling like my DS partly contributes to the situation by not communicating much to feeling very angry on his behalf because my boyfriend just can't see the problem.

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mariposaazul · 24/07/2014 23:44

I hope you all enjoy the festival :)
Do you know what the girls feel about moving in together?
I also wonder if as someone said above its not them being mean but just the carelessness of children & perhaps not being used to a younger child with them...is there some activity - e.g. a game or sport that all could do together?

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Everybodyleaves · 24/07/2014 23:45

How about a boys tent, and a girls tent instead then maybe DS will open up a bit to DP and you can have a quite word with the twins??

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Everybodyleaves · 24/07/2014 23:46
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MexicanSpringtime · 25/07/2014 03:59

Everybodyleaves genius idea

Sorry I have no major contribution to make here, I always belief in putting the children first, but I'm not certain in your case as otherwise everyone else gets on well. Maybe your son needs to learn to accept that teenage girls are so very, very far away from him and would be, even if they were his sisters.

If he could just ignore them and get on with his own life?

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bragmatic · 25/07/2014 04:51

I've often thought (not that I anticipate it happening) that if I were a single parent, I'd be more content to have a serious long term relationship with someone, but not co-habitate with anyone while there were young children involved. I think it's perfectly possible.

Of course if you live a long way apart it is difficult. A bit of a left-field idea, I know. but is it worth considering?

I think your situation is difficult. Teenage girls are poles apart from 11 year old boys. And the twin thing further complicates things by the sounds of it. I know of a 3 child family with this very issue. And these kids are related.

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bragmatic · 25/07/2014 04:53

Violet - Respectfully, I don't agree about the not talking thing. Feeling isolated and ignored and in the minority in one's own home is awful.

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heyday · 25/07/2014 05:44

If your partner has spoken to the girls several times then I can't see what more he can do really. He can't force the girls to interact with your DS.
It might be an idea to try and find some group activities that just might encourage a bit of interaction between all the children.
I am glad that you are attuned to how your son is feeling. A lot of parents just carry on fast pacing the relationship regardless of how the children feel.
Unless a miracle occurs during the festival then I would seriously re consider moving in together for the foreseeable future as this could bring about a very seriously stressful situation.
These girls would probably be almost totally cut off from your son even if they were related. The age gap is immense really in terms of where they are at in life. The gap may lessen just a little once he goes to secondary school.
Take things slowly and see how they pan out. Just remember, once you sell your house to move in together it will be very difficult indeed to then get out of this relationship, (as you will have to sell your home) if it all turns sour.

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JenniferJo · 25/07/2014 06:19

14 year old girls find 10 year old boys very irritating. It would be the same if they were siblings. The fact that they are twins compounds the issue.

Your DP cannot force his girls to interact with your son when they have nothing at all in common. If they are not being unpleasant to him I think that's the best you can hope for. What exactly do you expect him to do?

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Vivacia · 25/07/2014 06:37

I think that this is a fairly normal relationship. Or lack of it. I agree with PP that the lack of any malice or conflict is a real positive. I feel a bit sorry for the girls.

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FantasticButtocks · 25/07/2014 07:37

Are there things that you can do to nudge the situation along? Such as playing board games like 'articulate' or monopoly, or even charades where everyone joins in, verbal games like the parsons cat etc. Or asking one of the girls to go with ds to fetch the ice creams, asking different combinations of dcs to do tasks together, laying the table for supper or whatever. I think a music festival is going to mean something different to teenage twins than it will to a 10 year old boy though, so can he invite a friend his own age?

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Everybodyleaves · 25/07/2014 08:53

Agree with lots of above posts, 3 years is a huge gap especially when different sexes too. I have boy almost 8 and girl of 11, and it's more of a chasm than an age gap now!!!

Just thought the girls/boys tents idea might give each side better insight to the situation, plus some joint activities may start the ball rolling.

Enjoy the festival and I hope thinks start to improve soon!

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