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What buggies will I need with two?

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Liveinthepresent Sat 15-Dec-12 16:01:47

Really dont have a clue what to expect - all being well dd will be 2.3 when I will have a newborn. grin

Currently we have a bugaboo chameleon which I plan to use again in carrycot mode for newborn.

I am assuming/hoping we can use a buggy board for short trips - or that dd will be using a mini micro by then.
But imagine I will on occasion need some sort of double buggy.
That's all I know!

I was planning to buy a mclaren techno or similar for DD but am now wondering if I need to think longer term and what other options there are.

Will I need something like a Phil and Teds?

Really need help!
TIA

Violet77 Mon 17-Dec-12 18:59:55

I know... i'm one of those led by my child parents. ( can't abide constant screaming) That 10 month old (2) can now walk miles.

Ihateparties Mon 17-Dec-12 20:08:17

<musing what would occur if I picked a child daily to be led by> I do genuinely wonder how it works with more kids, conflicting needs etc :-) Oh and those kids who scream whatever happens <stares pointedly at dc1>

In this context - use or not of a double pushchair - there are so many factors at work in different people's lives, with different children, how much you walk or not, the environment you live and walk in, other children you have, so many things. Very often the use or not of a double doesn't primarily lie with direct waking ability, most 2 year olds can walk miles after all, but with other factors at play in people's lives.

I love slings, I love pushchair, I even love walking, a balance is lovely for me... Do what works for you and your kids :-D

Violet77 Mon 17-Dec-12 21:11:04

Well if your child wants to walk and screams to walk...why would you buckle them into a pushchair?

If your child wants to eat real food and asks to be weaned why would you not??

If your child removes their nappy and asks for potty...would you not potty train them?

If your child hates the highchair and wants to stand on a chair...whats the purpose of forcing them into a highchair?

If your child climbs out of a cot....

I believe children will dictate pace for you, theres no rush but they will let you know when they are ready.....

There are enough battles in life.

Ihateparties Mon 17-Dec-12 21:24:08

Gosh, we'd have to get up sooooo early to get to school at the pace of 10m old DC3. grin

Could home school 'em all I guess?? <hmmmm>

Violet77 Mon 17-Dec-12 21:54:43

Lord no...love free school.

Depends how far you live...we are a five mim walk. ( ten or fifteen at small (10m) person pace) otherwise he rides bike or scooter now, much fater.

StrawberryMonkey Mon 17-Dec-12 22:18:17

Gosh, imagining what time I'd need to set off to walk the 1.5miles to school at 10m old pace....I wonder how far you'd need to walk before 10m old would be asking for a ride in the buggy?!
Perhaps that's the secret of giving up a buggy so early, not actually walking more than 5 minutes to any given destination.

Tiggywunkle Mon 17-Dec-12 22:19:15

LOL I would buckle a child in who was screaming to walk simply because of that!! I expect any child of mine who wants to walk to be sensible enough to walk and not screaming at me!
And no I wouldnt potty train a child who takes their nappy off - they need to have the mental understanding to potty train.
I would never let children stand on a chair - I would sit them on a chair where they were happy and suitably and safely restrained until they were old enough to sit without needing to be restrained.
etc etc.
Equally a 10 month old is often FAR easier to handle walking than a 2 year old who thinks they know it all and can disappear on you faster than grease lightening.

There are all manner of reasons to use a pushchair but usually top of the list is the child's safety, followed by the need to get from a to b easily and quickly. If I were in a park then I would fully expect a walking child to want to have a meander and mooch around. But if I am by a busy main road eg outside my house, then I want them strapped in and safe. Believe me when my 4 year old had a tantrum on me in a china shop the other day I would have never been so happy to see a double pushchair....sadly we didn't have one, it all went horribly wrong and we had to head home. A double pushchair gives sanity, speed, safety and more when you need it most....thats not to say you always need it smile

Ihateparties Mon 17-Dec-12 23:09:53

<coughing fit brought on by laughing at tantrum in china shop> They don't half pick their times do they!

bubbles1231 Mon 17-Dec-12 23:17:32

we had a travel system thing for DS1. When DS2 was born 2 years later, I used a sling for the baby until he was too big. At that point he used the travel system and DS1 walked.
We also had a packpack which was suitable for up to age 2 and I combined that with a cheap stroller for DS1 if we had further to go.

Tiggywunkle Mon 17-Dec-12 23:24:27

Oh believe me....I have only just started to venture out with no double pushchair, and we hadn't gone too far into a shopping complex when she suddenly had melt down for no obvious reason with a whole display of china teacups inches behind her and I just could not get through to her that she could break the whole lot, nor could I move her forwards. One by one all privileges were removed and nothing was working.......

In the end some fabulous sales lady had been listening in and she told DD that losing her bedtime story as well would be a real shame and told her her really nicely that if she didn't behave then Father Christmas wouldn't come!!!

Can I just add that my DD was a complete angel until she hit 2 and a half and walked everywhere when she was a single child!! Two are a different kettle of fish though!

Violet77 Tue 18-Dec-12 07:19:51

My four year is is way past tantrums now.
Maybe if you didn't force them to do things they would be better behaved?

It's bloody minded and mean to do things to children against their will just for the sake of it. It's is not dangerous to walk, or stand on a chair. A child who removes a nappy wants to be potty trained...and indeed was as 18m.

I'm not anti pushchair, i mearly suggested it might be a needless expense.

StrawberryMonkey Tue 18-Dec-12 18:36:58

Toddlers standing and walking on chairs are at risk of falling off. Falling off a chair can be dangerous.

My children removed their nappies and potty trained themselves at 3. Reliably potty trained within hours too I might add!

My 4y old rarely has tantrums but I wouldn't say never ever has them.

We find the pushchair very useful, but I don't drive, walk everywhere and lots of the places we need to get to involve several miles walking (around 7 to 10 miles in all weathers) and we often have to go to them whether we feel like it or not.

Violett77 you are in favour of free education. Do your children have the same viewpoint as yourself? What would happen if they decided they didn't want to attend school?

HypatiaTheProcrastinator Tue 18-Dec-12 23:20:12

It would be dangerous to walk near a busy road if the child was potentially going to fall over or run off to chase a passing leaf! That's irrelevant of age. By your theory, a child who removes their trousers on a winter's day is ready to not wear trousers while outside. I hope you wouldn't think that was a good plan.

I do generally follow my daughter's cues on things and I allow her to do things most parents don't, but she's an only child and we don't usually walk long distances so we have that luxury. It would be extremely unusual for a 10 month old to never need a pushchair or sling but be able to walk everywhere but it completely depends on your lifestyle. Sometimes people need to do things they don't especially want to do and personally I don't think it's a good idea to bring up a child thinking they can do whatever they like whenever they like.

Ihateparties Tue 18-Dec-12 23:29:41

I'm glad there are such great parents out there violet, to make up for the rest of us with considerably less conviction in the providence of their day to day parenting decisions. You should write a book for sure, if you have all the answers.

Read back what you have written, you are preaching reactive parenting tailored to the individual child at the same time as making statements like "it's not dangerous to... stand on a chair" when patently in some cases for some children that just isn't true. There are all sorts of possible situations where it can be dangerous, ditto young babies and toddlers walking. It's great that you're happy with what you're doing but to use your experiences as a way of attacking the decisions others make doesn't exactly reflect well on you.

TwoSillyHatsWithBellsOn Tue 18-Dec-12 23:31:35

I got a P&T, which DS2 utterly hated. So I ended up pushing a huge great buggy containing DS1, with DS2 in the sling. The newborn cocoon bit made a great changing bag holder so it wasn't a total waste. grin

misdee Wed 19-Dec-12 07:45:53

A child never having a tantrum is not always a parenting related issues.

Child 1, rarely did
Child 2, did through frustration as couldn't speak
Child 3 an angel till hit age 5, then discovered her dramatic side
Child 4 OMG, never turn your back on her. Stubborn, and never forgets.
Child 5, sweet natured but more likely to pout and sulk at you
Child 6, only 8months old, no tantrums yet

We rarely use a high hair past the age of 1 or when they can safely SIT on a chair. Chairs aren't for standing on. Bums on seat, not feet.

One was potty trained at 4 years as she refused, earliest one was just age 2.

One could walk miles, one cannot due to mobility issues.

I have three of buggy using age, I generally sling one, have one in the buggy and a spare seat for the walking child for moments of tiredness, or unsafe areas of walking. We don't drive, go everywhere on foot. I always have a spare sling with me as well, in case two need to be carried.

I am very child led, but love and respect for each other is upmost. As is safety.

forevergreek Wed 19-Dec-12 12:17:18

We used the cameleon and buggy board fine with 16 month gap. Reins for youngest as safer. Take a sling and if needed pop oldest into carrycot. I also used to sit oldest over cameleon frame facing baby with legs over ech side and holding onto handle ( if that makes sense). Was a handy way of Etting two little ones off a bus.

Personally I wouldn't get a double with your age gap as by 2 years oldest had been walking / on board of over 6 months already. I think just et her used to walking and no buggy before hand and will be easier. Also means that if you pop to get some milk/ park then by the time you are back they have had a fair bit of walking/ excercise and they nap in the afternoon with youngest

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