If 1a is the average grade for the end of year one..

[Cortina]

What's the average 'grade' for the end of term two, year one?

Just curious. Do I have that right about 1a for end of year one also? Thanks.

[jenduff]

I think they're supposed to go up two sub levels per year so it should be 2b by the end of Y2 - but I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will be along to confirm

[marmum]

The average level for end of year 1 is a 1B and the average for end of year 2 is a 2C/B.

[Cortina]

Thanks very much

[squashpie]

Do all schools do that marking? When I asked my DS's teacher where he was in the class, I was told that it was very difficult to say because they were all still learning core skills. Though I was told he was a good middle for maths, so presumbably they are thinking about where children are in relation to each other?

[MrsMatey]

Our school suggest that some where between 1A & 2C was the nationally expected level at the end of Year 1.

[Cortina]

What would a typical child on the 'top table' be expected to get at the end of Year one and in KS1?

Do children in the middle band/middle tables ever score the same?

[MrsMatey]

Think the top level given in Year 1 was a 2B and they would be ecpected to get a level 3 at the end of KS1.

[Cortina]

Thanks. Just wondering if the 'results' are usually banded in terms of where the children sit? So a middle table would have children that all scored 1A at the end of the year one and so on and so forth...

[smee]

Cortina am guessing it must depend on the school. If you're in a very high achieving school even the bottom table might get above average.

[MrsMatey]

Blanket Levels were not assigned to ability tables at our school - although I can only go by a small sample of a few people who shared their child's level with me.

[Cortina]

Yes, that makes sense Smee. Like the idea that it might not be ability table dependent.

[mrz]

I don't have ability tables or even set seats in my Y2 class children move around frequently.

[primarymum]

I teach yrs 5/6 so the levels for my children are different but the principles are the same. MY top group range in levels from 4c to 5a, my second group from 3b to 4c, my third group from 3c to 3a and my lower group from 1a to 2a. The second and third groups overlap to a certain extent as some children will have the potential to understand more complex problems and some will need more consolidation in the basics before moving on, depending on how secure and confident they feel. The third and fourth groups tend to have a slightly higher level of support( either within or out of the numeracy lesson) in an effort to accelerate their progress, the top group are stretched both upwards and sideways to broaden their understanding as well as increase it! However all groupings are flexible, we work as mixed ability groups a great deal and children can move from group to group within each lesson depending on how well ( or not!) they grasped the topic being covered, so a child might be in group 3 on Monday and group 2 on Tuesday if they progress well or drop to group 4 if they find the concept particularly difficult to grasp. ( as an example I currently have a boy in group 2 who simply cannot grasp decimals- they just haven't "clicked"- so today he worked with group 3, he has shown he is "getting there" so will remain with grp 3 tomorrow to consolidate his understanding and then move back to group 2 on Wednesday if he has caught up)

[SingleMum01]

At my DS' parents eve (yr 2) I was told the national average SATS level for KS1 is 2B. Anything above is obviously better, and they do level 3 if they get good grades at level 2. So I would expect 1A to be above average in yr 1.

[snorkie]

This gives some info on expected scores at different ages.

Do note however that where they have used the term 'average', this is using the term rather loosely. It was about right for the average levels achieved when SATs were first introduced, but there has been significant improvement in national scores since and they are now correctly referred to as 'expected levels' rather than average ones, the mean result nationally being somewhat higher.

[MumNWLondon]

I founf this quite useful to correlate ORT levels / book bands into 1a/1b etc

Yellow (3) 1C
Blue (4) 1C/1B
Green (5) 1B
Orange (6) 1A
Turquoise (7) 1A/2C
Purple (8) 2C/2B
Gold (9) 2B/2A
White (10) 2A