Is it possible for a child to get a level 4 in their KS1 SATS

[bloated1977]

Hi, don't want to go into too much detail but just wanted to know is it possible for a child to get a level 4 in their KS1 SATs?

Thanks

[diamondage]

Not via the KS1 SAT papers (which only go to level 3) but via teacher assessment then yes, it's possible.

[simpson]

Nope not according to my DC school.

The highest level is a 3A.

Am cynical about this but tbh not going to cause WW3 over one sub level (DD targetted a 3A for end of yr2).

[sixlive]

Yes, surely all those mumsnet kids reading Enid blyton at 4 will get level 4 in reading.

[Feenie]

The KS1 Assessment and Arrangements document is reissued annually and always refers to levels 1 to 4 as a teacher assessment.

[NessaWH123]

Hi iam a primary school teacher and through SATS you can not get a level 4 but if a teacher felt your child was above the level of SATs then teacher assessment would beable to make that judgement/level. I have never yet known of a child to achieve level 4 in year 2 SATs ( and i have been teaching alot of years) but it is possible.

[Kerberos]

Yes. It's possible.

[mrz]

We've had children achieve a level 4 in maths (never in reading as it requires a level of maturity the average 7 year old simply doesn't possess no matter what they are reading at home) in the past we've used the KS2 test (before TA level was reported)

[sixlive]

Oh well DC had a level 4 in reading and is definitely not a bookworm.

[mrz]

For the record Enid Blyton is only level 3

[bakingtins]

We're got a document from school showing the percentages of children achieving the different levels in our school and nationally, and it was zero for level 4 in all subjects.

[Dittomark]

You can't get a 3a at KS1 either, it's only reported as a 3.

[Meglet]

Yes. 2 girls managed a level 4 in reading at the dc's school. No other 4's though.

[SapphireMoon]

Surely Enid Blytons vary Mrz?
From Noddy, to Secret Seven, to Famous 5, boarding school stories etc, etc.
As a child I loved Enid Blyton. Even then [40 odd years ago] my Mum pushed me into other stuff as felt 'low brow'!
Not reading it at 4 mind. Possibly Secret Seven and the like at age 6 or 7. Not Famous 5 though...
I digress .

[mrz]

Secret seven/Famous Five/Malory Towers are level 3

[mrz]

but of course it goes far beyond the ability to simply read the text

[SapphireMoon]

Reading in the olden days.... Little House on the prairie books, The children of one End Street, Carries War [which scare me].. sigh..
My year 4 lazy reader boy? Captain Underpants, Beanos, Tom Gates etc if left to his own devices... which most of the time he is..
Mmmm...
Sorry-as you were...

[mrz]

The Lion The Witch & The Wardrobe, The Silver Sword, The Turbulent Term of Tyke Tyler, War Horse, The Wolves of Wiloughby Chase, Alice in Wonderland are level 4 text but childwould need to demonstrate high order skills to achieve the level.

[Showy]

Dd just has in the teacher assessment for literacy. She read The Turbulent Term Of Tyke Tyler yesterday!

[SapphireMoon]

Ahh, Narnia...
I reread those in my 20s and got a whole new perspective on them.
I remember being pleasantly scared by The wolves of Wiloughby Chase as a child [can't remember how old I was].

[mrz]

At level 4 you would be looking for

Can infer and deduce messages, moods, feelings and attitudes and reference
ideas in the text

Can identify the different layers of meaning in a text

Can reflect on the wider consequences or significance of information, ideas
or events in the text as a whole

Can give detailed insight into how the structural choices support the
writer’s theme or purpose


Can identify and discuss the use of irony and comment on the writer’s
intention

Can evaluate how messages, moods, feelings and attitudes are conveyed in poetry, prose and non-fiction, making reference to the text.

Can discuss how the historical, social or cultural context of a text can affect its meaning and how this can change over time ...

etc etc etc

[simpson]

My DC school do give sub levels at KS1 (to the parents) within L3.

I loved The Silver Sword & have be trying to encourage DS to read War Horse to no avail.

He is firmly stick in non fiction & Jamie Johnson football books, but at least he now reads for pleasure

[teeththief]

I think your school is VERY rare to give L3 sublevels simpson

DS (now y4) was given a L4 (no sublevel) in his KS1 sats for maths. DD was given a L3 in reading and writing. Her teacher was bordering on giving a L4 but wanted her to sit the L3-5 SATs papers as evidence which we refused to do. I didn't want that pressure on her just based on a test paper. The fact that her teacher needed a SATs paper as evidence wasn't enough for me to think she is actually a L4

[Hulababy]

I know a child who had a level 4 in Reading, level 3 in rest, at end of Y2.

At my school we've not had any level 4s at end of KS1 whilst I've been there. The level 3s are not generally given a sub level here either.

The KS1 SATs "tests" only assess up to a L3. But TA can be higher.

[Hulababy]

We also have a couple or so L3 readers coming through from Y1 into Y2 this year, so a TA of level 4 by the end of the year isn't unrealistic I guess.