Teachers - pls look at this spelling and tell me if it is indicative of probs???

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miemohrs Thu 29-Aug-13 22:50:59

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miemohrs Fri 30-Aug-13 11:31:16

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miemohrs Fri 30-Aug-13 12:28:01

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miemohrs Fri 30-Aug-13 16:25:31

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Cheryzan Fri 30-Aug-13 16:43:47

She almost certainly has dyslexia and when school say 'she has no diffuculties' what they really mean is 'we have no intervention which will help'

You can get a dx of dyslexia if you can afford it - but it won't help her spell. Or her handwriting. Nor will it help school.

School can't help her spelling. That's why they've done nothing.

All a dx will do is give you and her a reason for her difficulties.

miemohrs Fri 30-Aug-13 16:49:05

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neolara Fri 30-Aug-13 17:06:51

I agree with Cheryzan. But I think in your dd's case, maybe just knowing that she is not "stupid" will be important.

The best intervention for most dyslexia is really systematic phonics teaching. The problem is that if your DD is going into Year 5 now, unless she gets additional support, she will not be getting this phonics teaching in the normal classroom activities. How come the school has said she has no problems? What were her National Curriculum levels? Has she made progress?

Can I recommend you get hold of some of the Read Write Inc materials. I used these books with my dd who was struggling to pick up reading. There are, I think, 10 sets of 10 books each. Not cheap, but frankly cheap at the price if they get your dd reading and spelling significantly better. I know you said your dd's reading was better than her spelling, but I imagine that her knowledge of phonics is very limited. If you work your way through the books systematically you will do a great job of systematically teaching the phonic sounds. I would start at the very beginning, even though these books are very, very basic. The reason for this is that your dd will hopefully be able to read them very easily, but also because you will be able to check very quickly if she actually knows all the letter sounds. At the beginning of each book, the child has to name all the letter sounds. The sounds build up until eventually you have a chart that shows lots of different ways of making the same sound. If you read every day with your dd, then every day your dd will get the chance to practise the sounds. In fact, if I were you, I would practise the sounds for 30 seconds four times a day. Follow the instructions in the books to the letter.

You can also get Read Write Inc materials to support spelling. This looks good. Again, it's just systematic teaching.

Good luck.

Want2bSupermum Fri 30-Aug-13 17:15:21

I am dyslexic and think I had brilliant help. It was diagnosed at 12 after my English teacher reviewed my first piece of homework. She was expecting me to get an A and she didn't mark the work because it was so poor. She reached out to Liverpool and Manchester universities as well as the British Dyslexia foundation.

I was lucky that i was in a small class. My parents knew something wasn't right but didn't want me in a mixed special needs class. They had tested my IQ and I was above 130 at age 10.

You need to consider moving your daughter to a school that has the staff who can help her. I would start with speaking with her GP, your LEA and the Dyslexia association. There are some very good private schools that are set up to help dyslexic children. I know St Davids in North Wales was recommended to my parents for my brother.

Tell your daughter I was in her shoes once. I am a very determined person. At 13 I was told I could only do 8 GCSEs but I did 9 by taking French and German. During my A'Levels I was told that university wasn't on the cards. Well I went to a redbrick and graduated three years later after being really sick for over a year with glandular fever. After that I took a risk and moved to London. Two years later I was working on the trading floor of a major investment bank. I am great at numbers and working on the trading floor was heaven for me. 10 years on I have passed my accounting exams and work for a big 4 accounting firm here in the US. I too was called stupid by teachers. Now I am older I see how they were the stupid ones who couldn't see past their own ignorance.

AnotherStitchInTime Fri 30-Aug-13 17:34:09

That was my DH miemohrs, IME people with dyslexia are often highly intelligent, they just don't conform to society's ideas of intelligence. It makes me very cross that people with dyslexia are written off because they are different. He said that his mum took him for an IQ test (before dyslexia assessments were available) which showed he wasn't 'stupid', once he knew that and his mum believed in him and fought his corner with his school he gained confidence.

This site has lots of advice and a section on phonics programs that are good for older children. Often older children are not enthused by the choice of material in the phonics schemes targeted at younger children. Read Write Inc's Fresh Start is one that might suit as Neolara suggested.

Periwinkle007 Fri 30-Aug-13 19:09:43

it sounds like dyslexia to me. Knowing that doesn't help solve the problem obviously but if she felt there was a reason then it sounds like that would boost her confidence greatly.

Having read all so far ... as a year 4 teacher I would certainly be looking to support your DD in some way.

Can she type at all? Would that be physically easier for her than writing? It won't help her spelling directly but at least her work will be legible, which is a big step forward to help spelling (and makes reading back easie for both pupil and teacher). If she can type more easily than she can write, then it may help to break the barrier of not trying to write in school.

I had a dyslexic & dyspraxic pupil who used a Neo2 www.renlearn.co.uk/products/neo2supportinglearningteaching/ Fabulous rugged word-processor :-) Saves automatically, 8 files, batteries last for AGES (I had him for 2 terms and we didn't change them!), download directly to any Word processing package via a cable connector or wireless. Costs about £100. Brilliant thing. He used it for everything and really grew in confidence.

HumphreyCobbler Fri 30-Aug-13 21:53:11

I would also send her to have an assessment with a behavioral optometrist to rule out any sight problems that could be hindering her work. I think this is well worth doing. She could have tracking or eye teaming problems that cause her immense strain when trying to read or write.

hillian Fri 30-Aug-13 22:15:03

have you considered dysgraphia? The type with spelling difficulties as well as handwriting difficulties.

miemohrs Fri 30-Aug-13 22:30:40

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AnotherStitchInTime Fri 30-Aug-13 23:21:20

Did they suggest different colour overlays for different tasks? If there is a particular colour that might be better for her you will be able to get glasses with a tinted lens.

TBH if the school is that un-supportive I would be looking to move her to one that can support her needs. A professional has decided use of overlays would be best for her. The school should be taking that advice and implementing it, every child matters should be part of their ethos.

hillian Sat 31-Aug-13 08:32:10

have you heard the term dual or multiple exceptionality (DME)? Its when a child is both gifted and has a learning disability.

Cheryzan Sat 31-Aug-13 09:34:00

Knowing she is dyslexic will help - so tell her she is. You don't need to pay an ed psych to tell her that. You can.

If she needs coloured overlays, can I recommend you play Engaging Eyes. It corrects convergence problems which may be the reason she needs coloured overlays.

miemohrs Sat 31-Aug-13 17:12:12

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AnotherStitchInTime Sat 31-Aug-13 17:29:33

I think that if you do not intend to move her from the school then a strongly worded complaint to the head/governors/education department/ombudsman (if all else fails) is in order.

The school doctor is not a specialist, the specialist has said she needs them. FGS kids are teased for all sorts of things, but if they need glasses then they need them, surely they don't take other children's prescription glasses away?

They sound like they are actively doing everything in their power to not support her and give her a statement. angry

The British Dyslexia Association helpline might be able to help you with fighting the 'system'. You need a paper trail and maybe even legal advice. There are some very knowledgeable parents on the special needs board here that might have more advice, you could also post in legal matters to see if anyone there has advice.

pindorasbox Thu 12-Sep-13 11:09:01

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lougle Thu 12-Sep-13 11:59:41

Why are you referring to your DS as a DD?

Is he still at the same school? Why are you fighting it when you know that they are never going to accept your DS's issues? You've tried this school twice. Nothing is going to change.

You can't make the school give your DS intervention. You've tried and they won't. You either have to do some stuff yourself or move him.

Honestly, Miemohrs. I know this is stressful but how much of your child's life is going to be spent with you anxiously asking the same questions in different parts of Mumsnet when all people can say is 'that's terrible'?

pindorasbox Thu 12-Sep-13 13:41:26

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lougle Thu 12-Sep-13 13:58:52

pindorasbox are you trollhunting a trollhunter? confused Isn't that against the talk guidelines?

I was asking why the OP has referred (consistently) to her 'DD' when in fact the child is a DS. I can't see what may be gained from that. It is confusing.

The OP has had support and advice over a long period of time. The situation hasn't changed in that time and will not change. I can't see what can be gained from trying to define the exact nature of a child's difficulties whilst all the time staying in a place where those difficulties will not be acknowledged or tackled.

gymboywalton Thu 12-Sep-13 14:09:52

pindora's box?? why are you answering as two different people?

lougle Thu 12-Sep-13 14:13:13

I totally missed that gymboywalton

pindorasbox I apologise for referring to the 'OP' when you are the OP. I should have been saying 'you' not 'the OP'.

LeoandBoosmum Thu 12-Sep-13 14:15:26

2kids makes such a great point! Have her hearing tested. It could be that she is not hearing the words properly to begin with.

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