"You need to be less ignorant"

(66 Posts)
GooseyLoosey Mon 08-Jul-13 10:38:42

Help me get some perspective on a teacher saying this to my 9 year old dd.

Dd told the teacher an exciting fact she had just discovered, teacher said "that's not right". Dd replied "I'm sure it is - I just read it in XYZ book". Teacher said "You're wrong. You need to be less ignorant".

Aside from the fact that dd was infact quite right, how bad do you think this comment is from a teacher?

cansu Tue 09-Jul-13 07:37:43

Yes cold it's because all ignorance, selfishness and any other lack of skill or fault can be removed by the one teacher that year. What a strange comment! one might also say that parents have some part to play in teaching their child.

MirandaWest Tue 09-Jul-13 07:48:54

I think the meaning of the word ignorant seems to be changing or at least expanding. To mean it means lacking in knowledge about a certain area. And so colditz's post makes complete sense as a teacher should be helping to expand knowledge.

Other people use the word ignorant to mean rude etc often talking about being ignored rather than how I use the word ignorant and I would agree that parents should be teaching that.

I do try and expand my children's knowledge as well of course smile

PickleFish Tue 09-Jul-13 08:56:25

and if it was 'arrogant' that was intended, it's not necessarily the teacher that got it wrong. It could equally be a child who misheard and reported it wrongly, especially if it was an unfamiliar word.

GooseyLoosey Tue 09-Jul-13 09:55:22

Thanks all.

I'm 100% sure dd got the word right.

I could well believe that the teacher meant arrogant. However, if that was the case, I still think it was completely inappropriate. She only said she thought she was right once and then backed down and as said before, this was not in the context of a lesson where she was contradicting the teacher.

If I had been having this conversation with another adult and they had responded to me in this way, I would have thought that they were being breathtakingly rude. I think this means that, for me at least, the comment remains inappropriate.

adeucalione Tue 09-Jul-13 12:50:01

I think that, regardless of the word used,and regardless of whether the child was indeed displaying ignorance or arrogance, it was an unkind thing to say to a pupil, who would obviously have felt the criticism very keenly.

But teachers do obviously have thousands of interactions with children every week, and would be the first to admit that they are only human and sometimes get it wrong.

BabiesAreLikeBuses Tue 09-Jul-13 13:14:25

It doesn't sound nice - but i am imagining a harrassed teacher on a trip and child asking at a bad time (as kids do). I'd have a chat to the teacher but wouldn't see the need to involve the head unless there's history of other incidents.

colditz Tue 09-Jul-13 14:19:28

Cansu, I was VERY specific. If a child is too ignorant, in the teachers opinion, then the teacher who has been teaching the child all year has clearly not done a very good job.

I have said nothing at all about the child's personality, and I am absolutely baffled as to why you don't understand the definition of the word "ignorant", especially as it has been defined clearly on this thread.

indyandlara Tue 09-Jul-13 14:49:22

Was that really the verbatim conversation? Did your chd interrupt when they felt they were correct and this is what the ignorant remark relates to?

cansu Tue 09-Jul-13 17:53:58

Colditz I do understand the definition of the word 'ignorant', thanks. I am suggesting in my earlier post that perhaps the teacher used the word incorrectly and instead meant that the child was being rude. I was also suggesting to you that it is ludicrous to hold the child's music teacher responsible if in fact the child is deficient in their knowledge of the curriculum or of the world or whatever the subject concerned (unless of course this is a music question given that the teacher was the child's music teacher) I suppose what I was getting at was that your comment wasn't terribly helpful. FWIW I think the teacher shouldn't have used the word in the context described. It seems to me a massive storm in a tea cup though.

charitygirl Tue 09-Jul-13 17:58:46

Hmm, there's something about that construction that would make me assume the speaker was pretty thick. If your DC is bright and challenging them they may be getting frustrated and trying to shut conversation down. Not acceptable.

Notcontent Tue 09-Jul-13 22:37:21

Well, my dd is only 7 but I have already had to start explaining to her that some of the things her teacher says are not quite right.

PrincessScrumpy Tue 09-Jul-13 23:01:53

At 31 I still remember having an argument with my teacher when I was 8 - she said told another child that pencils contain lead so if you chew them you can get lead poisoning. Me being a know-it-all gauged the situation badly and interjected with "oh no, pencils have graphite in them not lead, so they are not harmful". Teacher erupted into a rant about how I was wrong and stupid. We'd just had a trip to the nuclear power station and it had been taught there so I thought she'd be pleased I'd remembered... mind you she also told me I'd spelt "Pretty" incorrectly when I hadn't and told me to write it out correctly 20times, then went crazy at me for spelling it wrong until she got me a dictionary and suddenly realised her error and laughed saying "oh I always muddle that one". Hmmm, she was scary but I still feel smug that I was right and she was wrong.

You should probably mention it but if it was me, I hate confrontation, so I'd probably just know dd was not going to be in the class in Sept and leave it at that. Just let dd know you know she's right and that sometimes it's best not to annoy those less intelligent ;)

angusandelspethsthistlewhistle Tue 09-Jul-13 23:15:36

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Lancelottie Wed 10-Jul-13 10:46:55

Oh Angus, I still remember a primary teacher telling us, 'i before e except after c', and ranting at me like a loon when I said 'What about Scientist?'

GooseyLoosey Wed 10-Jul-13 12:21:52

I am slightly sensitive here as dd moved to this school year or so ago. The school has been fantastic so far in every way - I love it. However, the reason for the move was partly a lot of low level psychological bullying which resulted in very low self esteem. New school are well aware of this and have been great dealing with it. It is also a selective school with a lot of bright kids in it. I guess this comment just seems totally at odds with the way the school have portrayed themselves so far and what they are supposed to be trying to achieve.

adeucalione Wed 10-Jul-13 18:23:38

OP I think you're right to be cross but I'll bet the teacher kicked herself afterwards too. I've done it myself - spoken to a pupil like I'd speak to my own children, or my nephews, and been mortified afterwards.

I suppose what you do about it depends on what you want to happen. Personally, if it was an isolated incident, and at this late stage in the school year, i think I'd leave it.

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