Do you/did you do specific SATS revision with your DCs?

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XBenedict Mon 29-Apr-13 18:39:06

I didn't - am I an awful mother?

DD1 and DS have been through sats and apart from the usual reading most nights, doing homework set, playing on mathletics I didn't sit them down and do sats revision. I have a lovely (but extremely competitive friend) who can't let her DS out during the week at the moment as he's "cramming for his sats' (Y2). Tell me this isn't what everyone is doing and I have completed missed this part of my role.......please!

ChippyMinton Tue 30-Apr-13 17:23:46

DS1 came home with the Yr 6 SATS timetable today, if anyone wants it I'll post it here.

He's doing homework and whatever they set at school. As far as I can see, it's for the school's benefit not his, so I'm keeping out of it.

MrsMelons Tue 30-Apr-13 18:10:39

That's good, I think it is a shame there is so much pressure put on them but sounds like she'll be ok knowing it is not a big deal!

MirandaWest Tue 30-Apr-13 18:18:05

DD is in year 2 and always knows what's going on at school. Asked her casually if she'd heard of SATs and she thought she had but wasn't sure. Definitely not doing any practice here.

MrsMelons Tue 30-Apr-13 19:30:54

I do think thats best, the whole point is surely to assess what level the children are at ready for junior school - not to produce fake results by cramming.

I understand why they do some practice tests as the questions are probably a different format from what they normally do but at their age it can't be good to put pressure on them.

DS and his friend said they did their reading SATs today, they didn't know if it was a practice or not (it wasn't), they also said they did their proper Maths one which was in fact just a practice. I like they do not make a big deal out of it.

ipadquietly Tue 30-Apr-13 20:05:15

Doing practice tests is making a big deal out of it.

MrsMelons Tue 30-Apr-13 23:07:25

Not at all if done in the right way. At the end of the day they have to do the SATs so at one point they will need to sit and take them. With no preparation at all that could be quite daunting to a 6/7 year old.

Giving the children examples of the questions to do but not making a deal out of builing up to it then this makes it less of an issue. The children do not know when they are or whether they are just practice or the real thing.

There is no avoiding it unfortunately but teachers can do a lot to reduce pressure or anxiety about it all. DSs school is in the top 5 for SATs results in our LA and the fact the children do not even know they are taking them and are not given revision to do at home says a lot IMO.

BackforGood Tue 30-Apr-13 23:29:06

I too assumed you were talking about Yr6 SATS - I was still going to say "No, none". Yr2 SATS were just done as part of the normal daily lessons - the dc didn't even know they'd done them. The mind boggles as to what she's making the poor lad do!

MrsMelons Wed 01-May-13 12:56:20

Just to clarify that I am not doing practice tests at home - this is just in class.

It is mind blowing that people push 6/7 year olds in this way. I am not entirely suprised though.

TeenAndTween Wed 01-May-13 15:08:55

Y2 - nothing. DD2 had/has no idea she has done them. We have never mentioned them or her working levels to her. We certainly wouldn't have dreamed of doing practice tests at home.

Y6 - DD1 did the hw set by the school (no practice papers at home, maybe 90mins hw per week from Jan onwards). BUT also, (A)DD1 was very behind in her maths, so as part of an ongoing effort from end y3 we continued plugging away at her maths knowledge. NOT cramming, but building up her ability. Very pleased she got to 4b by end Y6 so had a firm foundation to start secondary with.

Most schools do not set Y7 based on SATs, though they will look at them. So extra coaching / teaching to the test may make the school look good, but then possibly makes it look as if child has gone backwards in y7 (which my DD didn't).

ipadquietly Wed 01-May-13 18:18:37

MrsMelons Believe me, Year 2 children don't need to practice the tests. The format is very easy, and in the maths test, the teacher can explain what to do, as long as they don't give them the answers or give them specific help regarding the numbers used in the questions.

We did all the tests half way through Y2, with no practices, and the children were fine. No-one cried, no-one panicked and most of them tried their best.

The children shouldn't be doing practice tests, as it is an absolute and utter waste of time.

Feenie Wed 01-May-13 20:00:09

Yep - what ipad said. And the statutory requirements are there for a reason - practising is totally unnecessary and serves no purpose whatsoever.

lljkk Wed 01-May-13 20:11:12

okay, honesty now, DD brought home a mock SATs test last month & I offered to make up another version of it (extra questions) for her to do, but I got bored after designing question 4 & never did any more.

MothershipG Wed 01-May-13 20:19:43

As most secondary schools don't pay much attention to SATs what's the point of cramming?

MrsMelons Wed 01-May-13 21:07:39

Fair enough, but I can't see how a practice test is a waste of time as it is still work to do in a lesson connected with what they are learning but I totally understand about the cramming and lots of practising.

The school are really relaxed about it and haven't even told the parents, I only know as DS was ill so the teacher said I could take him home as the SATs weren't till the following day.

IMO the school should be ensuring the children are reaching their potential or addressing any issues as a matter of course without the children having to do additional work at home.

Feenie Wed 01-May-13 22:13:11

Fair enough, but I can't see how a practice test is a waste of time

Because you could spend the time actually teaching - nothing is to be gained from constant testing. You don't fatten a pig by constantly weighing it! grin

5madthings Wed 01-May-13 22:15:42

Nothing at all and the school doesn't make a big deal out if them either.

Ds2 is about to sit his year 6 SATs and he has had one test paper for homework.

Hassled Wed 01-May-13 22:24:47

Actually I think my DS3 has benefitted enormously from the endless practice (y6) papers he's been doing at school, especially in Maths. He had a rabbit in the headlights panic reaction to tests - in Yrs 3,4 and 5 the reports have always made some comment along the lines of "disappointing test results given his obvious ability". But by doing plenty of practice tests he seems to have broken the fear barrier, so I don't think the real thing will phase him particularly.

iseenodust Thu 02-May-13 09:28:19

In yr2 the school told parents that the school wouldn't be telling the children about SATS. They would just do them without fuss and suggested we did nothing beyond the usual listening to reading with our DC. I took them at their word.

Frikadellen Thu 02-May-13 12:43:12

No nor did we for 11+

Sparklymommy Thu 02-May-13 15:03:06

Can I ask a question? My Dd is in year 5, and currently has an hours tuition a week to prepare her for the 11+ which she will sit in September. Her school has combined classes (so she is currently in a class with year 6 pupils). I noticed on a recent newsletter that her year group will sit the SATS papers with year 6, but that they will be marked in house. I am not worried about this and think the mock test can only be seen as a positive practise.

My question is: are the SATS very different from the 11+? And is it possible for the results to be very different when I child sits both? Obviously the SATS don't have verbal reasoning, but will the SATS be of a similar level in difficulty to the 11+? Just curious really. I know that when she sits the tests me t year the school run a booster club class after school which DD will probably not be able to attend due to dance commitments but I am wondering if the 11+ tuition she is currently doing will have a similar effect.

Prawntoast Thu 02-May-13 15:12:58

sparkly I would imagine that the 11+ tuition will prepare her adequately for the 11+.

You could also use the Bond materials online. i found them useful for extra practice especially the VR and NVR tests.

MrsMelons Thu 02-May-13 19:52:52

Very true Feenie grin

I guess I am thinking of it in a different way, the professional exams I took were of course mainly knowing the syllabus but an important part of it was knowing the layout of the questions etc and practice papers were vital. I am clearly overthinking it - they are 7 FFS - duh!

Sparklymommy Thu 02-May-13 20:54:18

Prawntoast, I am quite happy that the preparation she is doing for the 11+ will be fine for the 11+, I am just wondering if the SATS follow a similar structure. We do use the Bond books and have found that the ten minute test books are particularly helpful.

Eve Thu 02-May-13 20:59:40

Our school is cramming the kids for them, it's been in special measures a few years ago and had a few different heads, recent ofsted says needs improvement.

The new head is determined to get results. My DS is borderline 4c/5 they are working individually with a few like him to push them into 5.

Feenie Thu 02-May-13 21:19:12

That would be borderline 4a/5c. smile

The secondary school teachers won't thank the school for pushing children into scraping levels they aren't working securely at.

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