Expected progress from end of r to end of y2

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Iamnotminterested Mon 28-Jan-13 10:10:17

Is it 2 full levels or have I dreamt that up?

Thanks.

learnandsay Mon 28-Jan-13 20:42:56

And then there's the truly sad possibility that the parent studied the curriculum, knows a lot about maths, tutored the child brilliantly in all areas of the subject and the teacher said no, she's not going to study these things because those are reserved for higher years. She just has to start all over again and that's that. (It happens.)

mrz Mon 28-Jan-13 20:48:19

Two full levels over the Key Stage so if your child ended reception at level 1c they would be expected to be 3c at the end of Y2 (of course children don't always follow nice linear patterns of progress so make make more or less progress for lots of good reasons)

mrz Mon 28-Jan-13 20:49:43

Nothing is reserved for higher years.

mrz Mon 28-Jan-13 20:50:43

If it were there would be no children achieving level 3 in Y2 or level 5 or 6 at the end of Y6 as these are expected levels for 14 year olds

numbum Mon 28-Jan-13 20:52:08

You should have added 'at a decent school' to the end of that sentence mrz!

learnandsay Mon 28-Jan-13 20:52:42

Ideally, not, no. But I've heard endless stories where parents have changed schools because their children were denied access to higher year's materials. (With a constant draining fight involving the head. It's a bit of a cliché.)

numbum Mon 28-Jan-13 20:54:11

'Nothing is reserved for higher years.' I meant that sentence (I need to learn to type faster)

numbum Mon 28-Jan-13 20:54:49

Maybe they just weren't ready for the higher year materials.

mrz Mon 28-Jan-13 20:56:56

So you've not heard of any child achieve level 3 in Y2? or and child achieve level 5 or 6 in Y6? learnandsay

learnandsay Mon 28-Jan-13 20:59:18

Maybe they were and maybe they weren't. But I find it hard to see how denying them access is helpful. Because the materials are available at WH Smiths anyway. So, in a fight between the parent and the school about what the child should access a determined parent is going to win anyway, (assuming she can buy WH Smith material.)

learnandsay Mon 28-Jan-13 21:00:21

Yes there are, mrz. But not in all schools.

mrz Mon 28-Jan-13 21:04:42

We could give reception quadratic equations, they aren't ready for the materials yet but why deny them access when parents can just buy a book at WHS hmm
or would it be more appropriate to teach them the next developmental step in the learning process

Feenie Mon 28-Jan-13 21:07:12

Yes there are, mrz. But not in all schools.

Really? Show me a school with 0% level 3 in Year 2 and 0% level 5 in Y6 year on year then, lands.

learnandsay Mon 28-Jan-13 21:07:54

I'm not talking about the whole class! I'm talking about certain children, like my friend's. He's a maths whiz and has decided, for fun, to teach his seven year old daughter algebra. He thinks it's amusing. She can do it, apparently.

Tgger Mon 28-Jan-13 21:09:24

Good for her and him. And the point is?

mrz Mon 28-Jan-13 21:09:48

about 40% of pupils nationally achieve level 5 or above

learnandsay Mon 28-Jan-13 21:09:49

That's where the phrase special measures comes from, mrz.

mrz Mon 28-Jan-13 21:11:36

reception children are taught algebra in the EYFS curriculum

Tgger Mon 28-Jan-13 21:11:58

What does level 5 mean in lay man's language? Can write a decent story that has structure with correct punctuation, spelling, and broad vocabularly? Or is this more level 3?

Feenie Mon 28-Jan-13 21:12:39

That's where the phrase special measures comes from, mrz.

What? confused

simpson Mon 28-Jan-13 21:15:41

But surely a lot of it comes down to maturity, yes a child at the end of reception who is a 1C would be expected to be a 3C at the end of yr2 but what about the children who are higher than a 1C at the end of r??

There must come a point where they will not make 2 levels of progress as they are not mature enough (ie if they are on a 2C or higher) as KS1 is not geared towards teaching level 3 let alone level 4 obviously....

simpson Mon 28-Jan-13 21:18:29

Tgger - I don't know what a level 3 entails but I have been told by DS's teacher (yr3) that the gap between 3C, 3B and 3A are all pretty big so I would have thought a younger child would find it tough (am thinking of writing in particular).

I was told it was the language used expressive words (words with feelings was how she described it) and descriptive words are crucial.

mrz Mon 28-Jan-13 21:20:13

KS1 is geared toward teaching whatever level a child is working on and there are children who achieve level 4 in Y2

mrz Mon 28-Jan-13 21:21:02

Level 2 is actually the broadest level

simpson Mon 28-Jan-13 21:21:24

Mrz - how are reception children taught algebra?? <<curious>>

My DS is 7 and he reads books on algebra and does it in his own time (I could not help him, I is fick)...

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