Totally confused by nursery end of year report

[confusedfrillysock]

Can any one tell me what level ( 30/50 , 40/60) an average child of 4.5 leaving school nursery should be at? Out report has boxes for some/more/all and I have no idea what DC should be at?

[StealthPolarBear]

Ours had no levels. There are no expected levels at end of nursery

[ATruthUniversallyAcknowledged]

Isn't it for months? So 30/50 would be almost three to just over four? 40/60 would be just over three to five?

[confusedfrillysock]

Yes I think its months. Our previous 2 nurseries used a similar system but I still get confused. Should a 4.5 year old be at level 40/60 or still working on it. Its 'ready to move on' only for the end of reception?

[confusedfrillysock]

Is 'achieving all' only for the end of reception I meant. The written section does not seem to quite add up either as the things it says are her real strengths, are not what they have put that she is doing best at ?!?!?! ie X shows a real talent for y. she is performing at Y at a lowere level than lot of other things.

[borninastorm]

I asked at preschool today and it refers to your child's age when they reached that goal eg 30-50 months.

[confusedfrillysock]

Yes I think that's how our old ones were done. This seems to say DC achieving some 40/60 levels comfortably but not all now I have re read it. I think I am going to have to ask next week as no explanation with it !!!

[insancerre]

The report just places the child within that age band.
We use emerging, developing and confident on our reports.
But it does depend on what the kwypwtspn has seem.
Some children who are not very confident or who don't speak very much at preschool may be in a lower bans than their patents think they should be purely because children are often different at home.
Also, it is very subjective, as it is the judgement of the person filling out the report.
Don't forget that all children are different and the assessment is just a guide. Its not an exact assessment but gives an idea that children are making progress or not. A child cab be in the age band above or below their age - that's normal but if a child was 2 bands below or above that would indicate some additional needs or that need addressing.
I wouldn't worry about it too much as the school will do their own assessment.
I do think the nursery should explain the system they use. Do they not do reports throughout the year or patents evenings where they go through their tracking systems?

[confusedfrillysock]

Thanks all I think it is saying the equivalent of lots of emerging and some developing, but that is contrary to verbal reports at parents eve etc and the written text contradicts too. They tell me she should really be in reception now and is bored in nursery.
They have written than area A is an area of excellence for her but then its down as emerging. She has higher assessments for literacy for example.
It is school nursery where she is going to reception, but no explanation with it at all.

[Mumoftwoyoungkids]

I was going to post this!

It looks like our nursery school does

30 - 50 emerging
30 - 50 secure
30 - 50 exceeding

A bit confusing as dd is 51 months!

A bit of googling seems to imply that 30 - 50 secure is where they should be at the start of reception. Also that you can't get 40 - 60 emerging until you are 30 - 50 secure. (Although our school doesn't do 40 - 60 - just 30 - 50 exceeding.)

So any 40 - 60 or 30 - 50 exceeding is ahead of average, 30 - 50 secure is average and 30 - 50 emerging is below average.

I think!

[confusedfrillysock]

Oh mum I could hug you - that now makes more sense !!!

[Mumoftwoyoungkids]

It's very strange isn't it? I don't really get why they put the numbers on at all - it just worried me! Also at this age it is probably not an exact science anyway.

It would be far easier to just have "emerging", "achieving" and "exceeding" without the numbers I would have thought.

[Pico2]

Why would a nursery not do 40-60? 30-50 is irrelevant to a 58 month old child in nursery who is developing well. They should be aiming for the 40-60 goals.

[Littlefish]

I'm a nursery teacher. We have been told by the local authority that generally, children entering reception are likely to be working within the 40 -60 months band in some areas and 30 - 50 months in others, depending on their age and stage of development. I have children starting Reception who are working in 40 - 60 months in all areas, and others who are working at 22-36 and 30-50 months.

[insancerre]

The reception teachers don't like it if children enter reception already in the 40-60 or achieving the elgs
It doesnt allow them to show progression by the end of reception when they have to submit the data to the Lea.
That's why we do the emerging , developing and confident in each age band.

[Pico2]

My DD will be 5 the week she starts school. It wouldn't make any sense for her to be judged on the 30-50 month criteria when she leaves nursery the week before. She's fairly capable, so I would guess that she will be secure in some areas and exceeding in others. She was secure in 40-60 in one area at 2.5. That really is tough shit for the reception teachers who I would expect to be working to challenge and extend every child in their class, not just "show progression" to a level that she has already achieved.

[fledermaus]

Reception teachers tend to ignore the levels that come from nursery anyway and do their own assessments, so I wouldn't worry about it.

[Pico2]

Well that's totally objective, to do your own starting level and ending level to measure the progress you have made with the children.

[cazzybabs]

we told we can't assess the elg until the end of the foundation stage, but children who have got it could be working in KS1 areas... most children will be in 40-60 months starting reception

[insancerre]

They used to just ignore the reports from nursery.
They tend to take more notice of them now.
I have assessed my more capable children against the elgs if that's where I think they are. I have also assessed children as being in the 22-36 age band too.

[Littlefish]

From September, our children's progress will be measured in two ways; their progress from their actual starting point as assessed by the nursery staff and additionally, their progress and achievement compared with a starting point worked out by how many months old they are when they start nursery. This will therefore take account of the fact that some children are 36 months when they start nursery, while others are 48 months old. I have had many, many moderation meetings with my Reception colleagues and they are quite happy for me to level children within the 40-60 month band, and occasionally, ELGS. We then expect those children to be scoring as "exceeding" at the end of reception.

A child like Pico2's dd, who is currently 58 months old, would be considered to be working below target at my school if I levelled them at 30-50 confident" as it is below their chronological age.

[AmeliaToppingLovesShopping]

My DD3 isn't 4 until August and starts school in September. At the moment she goes to 2 preschool settings, a small one that she started when she was just 2 and a larger one that is attached to the school she will attend which she only started going to after Easter this year.

The smaller preschool has her down as 30/50 and the larger preschool has her as 40/60. I'm sure the teachers will be able to understand better than I can.

[confusedfrillysock]

So I am not the only one confused.. I am not worried now, but since DD is 53 months now I didn't see why she would be assessed as 'some' on 40/60 (same as emerging I think) and most (achieving?) on others, when they say she is bored and has out grown the school nursery.
I expected a 50/70 type band but now see that there isn't one. I do suspect they mark down a bit so reception scores look better !

[Pico2]

TBH I'd be more bothered that they say she is bored and has outgrown the nursery. The onus is for them to provide an interesting, stimulating and developmentally appropriate environment and activities for all children who come to them. I know that is a challenge, but it is certainly their job.

[confusedfrillysock]

Yes I agree but it was the last 1/2 term in particular. It's a big school nursery and is generally brilliant but I think they were so busy getting them all ready for reception, settle days in new classes, sports day, end of term party, report writing etc etc that there was less challenging stuff being done.