Does anyone actually back the government these days?

(106 Posts)
GossipWitch Tue 06-Nov-12 22:22:49

Every day I'm reading something negative about the government whether its sanctions, fucked up benefits, dla being cut, nhs suffering, the economy, schools, child benefit cuts, redundancies, and now peado's in the ranks. I'm betting people wish they hadn't rage voted now, but I'm just curious to see if there are actually people who still like their policies?

CogitoErgoSometimes Wed 07-Nov-12 07:54:28

There's plenty that don't like the government but never have. However, I think there is still a large section of the electorate who support the tough line being taken. The welfare bill became astronomically high under the last government, many believed that we were no longer supporting the right people (one reason Labour were booted) and that funds badly needed to be re-prioritised. The economy is pretty flat but we look around at other developed nations and can see economies in far worse shape than our own. A similar picture with redundancies... I think there's a feeling that we are over the worst, supported by gently climbing employment stats. I think 'peado's (sic) in the ranks' is a ridiculous statement frankly.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 07-Nov-12 07:59:40

I can't see why anyone who voted for them wouldn't like their policies. They have not done anything unexpected surely? They have just followed Tory policy in everything they have done.

I don't back them, but I didn't vote for them. I'm sure anyone who voted Tory still backs them - why wouldn't they.? They are getting everything they wanted.

niceguy2 Wed 07-Nov-12 12:15:35

The loss of 'support' is natural and to be honest I'm surprised the loss hasn't been higher.

Whilst everyone knew going into the election that whichever party won, there would be cuts, it's also human nature that we all want the cuts to be on someone else. And that we didn't really realise what the impact would be.

So anyway, the cuts are here. And even now you hear people argue that they understand cuts have to be made....but just not to <insert cause here>'s budget because that's special.

That sort of economic nimby'ism drives me mad.

MiniTheMinx Thu 08-Nov-12 16:09:46

That sort of economic nimby'ism drives me mad

yy, me too. If we must have cuts then we must ensure some fairness.....lets go after the old next, they appear to be getting away lightly. Bus passes, winter heating, free prescriptions. Of course you could give them plenty to live on and you would find that it wouldn't help the money-go-round at all.

Why are cuts to these non-means tested benefits off the agenda?

CogitoErgoSometimes Fri 09-Nov-12 14:14:39

The simple answer to that question is that Cameron made it an election pledge that nothing would happen to the winter fuel allowance etc during this parliament. The grey vote is pretty powerful so anyone going back on that would suffer.... but I think, whoever is in charge in the next parliament, will find a way to claw some of the benefits back, possibly through the tax system.

grovel Fri 09-Nov-12 16:51:20

I'm with Cogito on this one.

sparkleyangel Fri 09-Nov-12 23:43:00

My mum who's 78 and has been conservative voter all her voting life (shes also a daily mail reader lol) but even she now admits she cant stand camoron and thinks hes an idiot with no idea of the real world.

sparkleyangel Fri 09-Nov-12 23:44:25

as for the winter fuel allowance he did reduce it.

laughtergoodmedicine Fri 16-Nov-12 13:17:38

Most of the business class back tories and would like Libs out

flatpackhamster Sat 17-Nov-12 09:24:08

GossipWitch

Every day I'm reading something negative about the government whether its sanctions, fucked up benefits, dla being cut, nhs suffering, the economy, schools, child benefit cuts, redundancies, and now peado's in the ranks.

I've spotted your problem. You're reading the Guardian. You might benefit from broadening your choice of reading material.

I'm betting people wish they hadn't rage voted now, but I'm just curious to see if there are actually people who still like their policies?

Personally I don't like any of the three ruling parties, but given a choice between what we have now and the venal wickedness of Labour, I'll stick with this, thanks.

ttosca Sun 18-Nov-12 14:47:32

Yeah, people who voted for the Tory scum are getting exactly what they asked for:

* Double-dip recession, possibly continuing on to a triple-dip recession

* Privitisation of the NHS

* Killing of disabled people through DLA cuts

* Cuts to public services, including schools, hospitals and libraries

* A tax break for the rich

* Stagnating wages

* Slave labour for JSA claimants

* Steadily rising unemployment (figures of which are masked by the fact that Mandatory Work Activity slaves are not counted as unemployed).

* A 25% rise in homelessness in the UK

* A PCC election which nobody paid any attention to

* Riots

And so many more national benefits, it's hard to list them all...

Who could not want these things?

CogitoErgoSometimes Mon 19-Nov-12 07:40:20

Have to take issue with you on 'steadily rising unemployment'. The ONS stats table 'EMP01 Full Time, Part Time and Temporary Workers' shows that, year on year, the people classed as on training or government work programmes has gone from 89,000 to 166,000. And, over the same period of time, the number of people working full-time has gone up from 21,259,000 to 21,456,000, part-time 7,803,000 to 8,120,000. Even if you leave the people you dismiss as 'slaves' completely out of the equation, that's an increase in the total number of people employed of 514,000.

flatpackhamster Mon 19-Nov-12 09:04:37

Save your fingers, SWP astroturfers can't deal with facts.

NicholasTeakozy Mon 19-Nov-12 09:46:59

Facts:-

Gidiots austerity measures will put us into a triple dip recession.

DLA and ESA are being withdrawn from disabled people.

The poor are being demonised by the right.

Those who caused the crash are being well paid.

If you still believe 'trickle down' works you have a lower IQ than my imaginary pet slug Bertie.

The only people who support this government are the wealthy. And those whose views are seriously deluded.

Let's not forget this is the government who denigrated the disabled for their 'lifestyle choice'.

The deficit is going up because the tax take is going down.

I could go on.

CogitoErgoSometimes Mon 19-Nov-12 10:13:47

I know... but that's me. 'The triumph of hope over experience'.

HumphreyCobbler Mon 19-Nov-12 10:18:24

I also agree with Cogito.

CogitoErgoSometimes Mon 19-Nov-12 10:53:47

"The poor are being demonised by the right."

Really? The person who said they wanted to reform the welfare and housing system so that.... "rather than looking solely at need, priority is also given to those who contribute – who give something back." ... was a certain Mr E Milliband at the Labour party conference this year. That well-known right-wing rag, the Guardian, went on to comment about this statement ... Not only is it right in principle that those who take out have a responsibility to put back in. It is the only way we can really detoxify our politics of welfare.

article

NicholasTeakozy Mon 19-Nov-12 13:04:50
CogitoErgoSometimes Mon 19-Nov-12 13:37:29

Of course, Ed's political leanings are debatable.... smile But the Guardian's certainly aren't.

ImperialStateKnickers Mon 19-Nov-12 13:45:46

Whoever won the last election was picking up a poisoned chalice, and as a matter of fact I think the Coalition is doing better than I expected. At least this isn't Greece <blood runs cold thinking about their cuts>.

ttosca Mon 19-Nov-12 16:21:28

Whoever won the last election was picking up a poisoned chalice, and as a matter of fact I think the Coalition is doing better than I expected. At least this isn't Greece <blood runs cold thinking about their cuts>.

You must have had really low expectations.

The state of the UK is entirely down to the bungling incompetence and nasty ideology of Tory scum.

Comparisons with Greece are laughable, as the two countries are nothing alike, and weren't anything alike before the financial crisis and recession.

Compared with the EU average, the UK growth (Real GDP growth) rate for the last four years has been below average.

epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/tgm/table.do?tab=table&init=1&plugin=1&language=en&pcode=tec00115

flatpackhamster Wed 21-Nov-12 09:49:42

Gosh, we'd better join the Euro then. Now's a good time, isn't it?

MrJudgeyPants Wed 21-Nov-12 10:36:45

The state of the UK is entirely down to the bungling incompetence and nasty ideology of Tory scum.

So, presumably, everything was rosy on the eve of the last election then?

NicholasTeakozy Wed 21-Nov-12 13:00:22

Compared to what it is now, yes.

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