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BABY NO.2???HELP!!!!!!!

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naughtystep · 25/06/2007 21:20

How did other MNs come to a decision to have baby no.2?

I am 40 next year and have to do something soon!

My DS is nearly three and my DH and I love him to bits but he has been hard work. DH and I were both a bit shocked by how hard and stressful parenting can be. I really think that I went to the brink and back and am only just feeling myself again.

I would love to have another baby but wish I could give birth to a three year old ! I just cannot face the thought of going through all that baby crap again. Broken nights, breast feeding, pumping, pureeing veg etc.

Am I being selfish? Is there something wrong with me? All my friends have another one or are pregnant or are on number three! Meanwhile, I am still dragging my heels!

I am beginning to feel worried because of my age. My heart says YES! GO FOR IT but my head says NOOOOOOO!. I feel scared if I don't do it now, I never will and then I will always regret it. Everytime I think oh, just get on with it I start feeling all panicky. DH is no help, he doesn't mind either way!

Can anyone help?

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morningpaper · 25/06/2007 21:22

Go for it

Your Nice Life is ruined for 20 years anyway

Double the fun

It's great

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Ecmo · 25/06/2007 21:23

second one is easier coz you've got all the experience from the first one!

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GooseyLoosey · 25/06/2007 21:24

No one can make up your mind for you, but would generally say go with your heart especially if you think you will regret it otherwise.

It is much easier second time around (or was for me) - the awful shock of it all is just not there. The baby phase is still not great but its not as overwhelming and you cope better. They are also not babies for too long.

Having said that, don't feel pressurised into having 2 just because everyone else seems to.

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MamaMaiasaura · 25/06/2007 21:25

I left up, ended up having problems ttc - thanksfully baby no2 on the way but will be 8 years between them.

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naughtystep · 25/06/2007 21:27

Wish I could leave it 8 years !

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BandofMuggles · 25/06/2007 21:29

If you're gonna do it the sooner the better at this point I'd say. Rather than wait til he's older then start all over again.

I was not ready to start trying for DD2, but glad we did as I love the age gap, about 2.8yrs.
Wouldn't swap her for the world now.

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naughtystep · 25/06/2007 21:30

Yes, have all the experience from the first one but have had my rose tinted glasses well and truly stamped all over !

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Hattie05 · 25/06/2007 21:32

Baby no.1 changes your life forever, changes you from care-free, responsibility-free couple, to parents.

Baby no.2 is a comfortable addition to your already cosy family.
Baby no.2 is a companion for no.1, i have found no.2 so much easier because in a way i have 'learnt' from my mistakes with no.1 and i am certainly far more chilled out e.g. quit expressing fairly quickly and baby had formula when i wasn't around to breastfeed, no pureeing as have gone down the babyled weaning approach. My biggest difficulty with no.1 was settling to sleep on her own, baby no.2 has learnt to do that straight away as i have been busier dealing with no.1 at naptimes, and so no time to pander to every cry - and she has slept through all night since very young and that took me several years to get dd1 to sleep all night!

SO.......what are you waiting for!

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naughtystep · 25/06/2007 21:48

So sorry Awen. Just worked out what ttc means. Didn't mean to sound so flippant!

One of the things that I didn't mention is that I really want a girl....I have been studying a book which is all about timings and ovulation etc. I am convinved I could have a girl.

I am obsessed with girls clothes and am dying to do a girly bedroom and really want that mother/daughter relationship but is that a good enough reason to have another baby?

I love my DS more than life itself but If someone with a crystal ball told me I would have another boy I would not be trying for another baby.

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nails · 25/06/2007 22:28

Hi ns
I think you need to ask yourself will you regret having another baby more than regret not having one. From reading your post it seems to me you may well in a few years time regret not trying because once they're here, however hard it may seem (and I do know as many do about the sleepness nights etc) you do adjust, you have to. I can vouch that the second one is not as much of a shock to the system as your first baby. I had wanted to have a baby for so long and when he came I was so overwhelmed, I felt that life was never going to be 'normal' again, but you do find a new 'normal'. I remember telling myself 'you never have to do this again' and consoling myself that this was it. However after a couple of years (mainly sleepless!) I felt that I wanted to try again, please believe me when I say I wasn't looking forward to the night feeds, the worry etc but I'm so pleased that I made that decision.
With regards to your need for a little girl, I can understand that feeling as well and although a very emotive subject, from experiencing friends that have longed for a specific gender and had the opposite, once the baby is here they love him/her unconditionally. I have researched personally the recommended methods for ttc a specific gender and you're more than welcome to CAT me and I will pass on what I know. You say you're reading a book, is it Hazel Chesterman-Phillips or Shettles?
I do believe in having a baby because you want a baby regardless of gender but can totally understand the longing for a specific gender. As I've said please feel free to CAT me, I've been there and will not judge you.
Hope you reach a decision.
Nails xx

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kittywits · 25/06/2007 22:32

naughtystep, if you are not ready to accept another child no matter what the sex then I don't think you should have another. It wouldn't be fair on that child and it's not a good basis to bring another baby into the world. You sound very unsure , perhaps you should stick with just the one?

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happyathome · 26/06/2007 14:07

naughtystep,i sympathise.Exactly same situation as you,except i'm 33 and i do actually crave the baby-stage(as reluctant as you about the nighttime bit though).Interesting,you dread breastfeeding.I only did it for 3 days ,regretted giving up,and feel another baby would be another opportunity to try it and get more support this time-oh well,just shows.What you think constitutes enjoyable parenting,may not actually be guaranteed after all!
Sorry that's so negative.It makes me wonder though too,if we are so confused,are we best sticking at one?-i want to be more sure before i go for it,but i wonder if other parents that go for a second and are pleased by the results,are just as confused as us beforehand.If your heart truly says yes,then i think the heart should be followed,but i really don't know how to listen to mine,it keeps getting drowned by my head,that says no,and tricking me into thinking my heart also says no...god it's tough isn't it?!!.
I'm uplifted by the positive posts,where people are glad they went for number two though,aren't you?
thanks everyone

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TuttiFrutti · 26/06/2007 17:43

Naughtystep, are you an only child yourself or do you have brothers/sisters? I think that makes a difference to how you want life to be for your child.

Personally, I was very clear that I didn't want my ds to grow up as an only child because I have a close relationship with my brother and sister and wanted that for him too. That was almost as important a factor in our decision as how our life would change right now with 2 children.

Yes, the babyhood stage is tough. Sleepless nights are not much fun. But you have to look at the long term, and how much you will love the child and how much fun you will have together over the years ahead.

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harrisey · 26/06/2007 18:23

Personally I found the step from 1-2 a nightmare. Much worse than having one in the first place! It was immensely more strssful, but that might well have been because I had a harder pregnancy physically (but a much easier birth) and PND was much worse. Ds (dc2) didnt sleep through the night until he was 8 months old (dd1 had at 10 weeks).

Just wanted to say it because everyone else is saying the second was easier.

Now the jump from 2- 3 I found a doddle!

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MorocconOil · 26/06/2007 18:43

My DS2 aged 5 was talking about who his friends are yesterday, and after a long pause said 'And you know xxx(DS1) will always be my bestest friend'. That kind of comment is the one that makes me realise how lovely it is to have a brother, and makes all the fighting, sleepness nights etc worthwhile. They will always have eachother when friends come and go.

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naughtystep · 26/06/2007 20:13

Hi everyone!

Just logged on again this evening. Thanks so much all the other posts that have been added. I'm still confused but it is helping reading all your comments and I am gathering some info about only children from MN.

In answer to your questions:-

Nails - the book is Hazel Chesterman Phillips. Haven't heard of the other one. Is it a british author?

Kittywits - Although I say I wouldn't have another if I knew it would be a boy, If I did have a DS I know I would love him and would just have to come to terms with not being able to buy pink things! There is a lot of fun to be had choosing whether to have diggers or fire engines as a bedroom theme!

Happy at home - I breastfed with DS for 11 months and although it was hard going I felt quite proud of myself. Maybe that's why I found it all so hard. I was a bit anal about breastfeeding and was a wreck in the beginning trying to establish whilst DS was losing weight. One midwife in particular sat me down and told me DS would end up on a drip and his brain would shut down if I didn't give formula. I was told to feed every three hours and pump after every feed (even thru the night!). My SIL is a midwife and said she was talking crap. I digress, but I pumped and pumped and fed and fed and he put on weight and they were all patting me on the back and I felt very angry like the midwife mafia had been ganging up on me.

DS didn't sleep thru until 8 months and I was on my knees. He wanted to be fed back to sleep every hour and a half. These are the kind of things about having a baby that I don't relish!! Having said all this, I'm sure I would be more relaxed with no.2

Tutti Frutti - I have two brothers but am not really close to either. I remember being desperate for a sister when my mum had my second brother and feeling really disappointed. Perhaps if I had had a sister I would have got this girl thing out of my system! Also, not particularly close, supportive relationship with my mum. She lives up North and I only see her perhaps twice a year.

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happyathome · 27/06/2007 11:22

naughtystep,glad breastfeeding worked out in the end for you.I take my hat off to you for persevering.Wish i'd been as 'anal' about it.Also had confusing midwife advice,and now if i had another,think i would be inclined to listen to my instincts more,rather than so-called proffesionals!..thanks for sharing that.
you do sound a bit more swayed in the direction of going for another,more than i am,despite your rough babyhood experience.If you are still even 'considering' another after going through all that,then that suggests to me that you must really want one.
I got off 'lightly' with babyhood and yet,i still can't decide.It's mainly the effect of my tiredness on DD now that i worry about,if i had another,and my patience and of course if things turn out more complicated than i expect.Guess,it's easier to decide on the first as we're blissfully naive to parenthood and one is better than none,so guess we didn't have anything to lose then.
Now,our relationship with first child is at stake and it's so hard balance what's best for them as well as what is right for you.
I suppose DD would benefit in some ways,but even many of the benefits are not guaranteed,like anything in life.
I wonder if i'm dragging my feet,because i still have time on my side,although i don't really want to go beyond 35 for pregnancy,although i know it worked out for you and a lot of others.Will i panick too when i get to 35 plus?,that's what worries me!.Do you think you might be swayed more because of the biological clock thing and the fact that'because you probably think you could get pregnant,then you should.I wonder if that's the case with me.Think i should,simply because i can,like my body's potential is wasted if i don't utilise it?!
Of course my main question is -do i actually want another child-notice i say child ,because up until today,i keep saying baby and of course if you say that,you only tend to visualise pregnancy,birth,bad bits of babyhood e.t.c. instead of looking to the long term.Like someone said in a post,babyhood doesn't last long in the great scheme of things i suppose and so i am going to try a different angle,like 'how much would i enjoy seeing a relationship between my kids(as an only i don't see this as crucial-plus the other evidence given by many on these latest threads suggests that too).How would i cope with a toddler again and a 7-10 year old,would i mind having 2 teenagers!!.I am quite aware that 2 kids wouldn't guarantee extra company/support when i'm old-they'll have their own lives.
Wouldn't want to burden either of them.
Also like another poster said,think how much fun you would have over the coming years.
Maybe,it might be easier looking at what you definately DON'T want for yourself. Suppose,if you know you definately want to work x number of hours and you don't want to put it on hold for another x years,or if you have big plans for your first-born like private school e.t.c. and you know a second child would put that to rest,or you would be in big trouble financially/support wise if you had a second,or 'DEFINATELY' medically worse off,or not enough room in house and no chance of upgrading.I guess the big one is supoort and family time for me.If my husband had to work any more than he does now to support a bigger family,then that would be my idea of hell,because he'd be at work more and i'd buckle under the strain!Maybe concentrate on the definates and not what you 'might' gain from having two.Because,again,what someone else said,there are too many what if's.
I'm coming to the conclusion,that there is no perfect family and situation and whatever i choose,there will be pros and cons.Guess it's just which cons can i endure/prefer?!,which can i LIVE WITH.
I do believe that the child will adjust(eventually!),to whatever you choose.Whether they will thank you later,again sounds like 50/50 chance..so that's why i can't keep worrying about how it will be in future for DD..because we don't know.Parents who say they don't want their only to be lonely,are
seeing it through their own experience,they PERSONALLY found it better to have a sibling so they want to take the gamble of at least providing one.But in my case,haven't had,so don't miss!,onlies adjust and end up self-efficient/reliant in the process!
You sound like me,as you worry about 'never' doing it and possibly regretting later.I suppose,if we have those thoughts,then maybe
we will regret it later if we don't.Many people say they don't regret having the child once it comes along.Then again,there are many things in life we don't do,and we just accept that in the end and have to get on with life as difficult as it is not to regret,all in all it's pointless and soul destroying,like guilt..maybe we need to learn how to diminish those negative feelings instead!...another approach is
just living for today and if you feel excited about the prospect of another,more than worry and dread,i guess that tells you.ME...it's more worry and dread,although if i found out i was pregnant,would i get excited..who knows!
bet iv'e confused you now.sorry to ramble,just wanted to share it with you,and let you see your'e not the only confused one.
I don't think i'm selfish,just very sensible,considerate and selfless in regards to DD and D...so neither are you!!
good luck.

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nails · 27/06/2007 11:29

Ns
I think he's an american author although I'm not sure as I didn't get the book. Here's an overview of what he says
www.fertilityfriend.com/Faqs/Gender-Selection-The-Shettles-Method.html
(you will need to copy and paste link)
Also another site I looked on while ttc is:
www.ukparents.net/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=31
(again you'll need to copy & paste)
It's a gender selection board will advice & info. The Fertility Friend link that I gave you first also has a board for gender selection as well.

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happyathome · 27/06/2007 11:50

nails and anyone else-if you are ttc,a good site is twoweekwait.com.I found it when i had
a period of trying for a second,but then things went pear-shaped with my attitude to parenting(dd ill a lot,and myself,lot of stress) and i lost courage/interset/motivation and gave up trying.Hope you find the site informative though and good luck with trying-hope your dreams come true!
By the way,i couldn't imagine having a boy and would secretly hope for a girl too,just simply because i would like a sisterly relationship for my DD(think i would have preferred a sister to brother if i'd ever had a sib)-although i don't know what i'm talking about anyway,because i don't know the ins and outs of sib relationships full stop!
Also,i say i don't want to go over 35,because my in-laws had DH when they were 40 and they told me that they wish they had him sooner,because i think it's the energy thing,where now they are getting more infirm and wish they had more energy to enjoy their
grandchild.My mum had me at 29,and now she has a fair bit of enthusiasm/energy for babysitting our DD/being with her.
BUT having said that,it doesn't help that we had DD when 28/33.You can't predict when
grandkids will turn up! and i suppose you can have one healthy 78 yr old grandma and the other at 62 with many health issues(or even moved away abroad e.t.c)-so now i realise,the age thing doesn't matter that much anymore!!

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naughtystep · 27/06/2007 13:53

Thanks so much everyone. It helps reading everyones comments and experiences. Thanks for all the links and info too. I will look into those.

Happy at home, I am giving myself such a hard time about being selfish as I don't really enjoy a lot of the kiddie things you have to do . I do them as I know DS enjoys it all. I have glitter all over the kitchen table from this mornings activities but I'd rather not have!

I miss all the things that you can do without children, that are possible with one child (sometimes!) but usually impossible with two. I haven't been skiing for three years due to being pg, DS too young etc. And I do love shopping and pampering myself and all those girly things that you have about two seconds for when DC come along. God, I sound SO horrible.

I would probably give up my (part time) work if I had another. I get to travel with my job and I do enjoy it.

My patience wears ever thinner by the day and sometimes I just feel so crap at the whole thing. DS watches a lot of TV which is like a big dark secret I have to keep from all my friends. To be totally honest, I think I still feel depressed sometimes and miss my old life. I don't have any family help (I know a lot of people are in the same boat) and no-one I can leave DS with for a break sometimes.

I said to DH I would have to have some help if we had another and he said well, how do all your friends cope?

By now, you are all probably really shocked and think i am a selfish cow and I wouldn't blame you because that is how I feel about myself.

I love, love, love my DS and would die for him but I just HATE the rest of it! .

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Rochwen · 27/06/2007 14:51

Naughtystep, you sound a lot like me. I love my dd but really dont'like being a parent. It's so tedious. I can't wait for dd to be older, so knowing that (and a couple of other reasons) I have decided to leave it at one and I'm happy with the decision. Perhaps that's how you could look at it too. You are gonna have more and more fun with your ds and things are gonna get so much easier. Just enjoy what you've got.

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TuttiFrutti · 27/06/2007 16:56

Naughtystep, love the bit about TV watching being a "big dark secret"!!! You could be me. Basically, not many of us are perfect alpha mummies even if we sometimes pretend to be when other people are around.

Sounds to me as if you want to go for it, but want someone else to "give you permission". As someone who's recently done it (dd is 4 months),I can confirm that it is hard work (hey, surprise!) but also that the second one is easier in a lot of ways.

Can you get some help somehow? Are there any gyms near you with creches? Doesn't need to be expensive - we have a local authority gym where you don't have to be a member, and the creche is about £5 an hour, which buys some much-needed sanity.

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naughtystep · 27/06/2007 17:25

Thank you Rochwen and Tutti Frutti. Feel a bit better! Just back from DS haircut and beebies on so I can reply to your posts!

Yes, it can be very tedious sometimes! This afternoon though DS was so cute and helpful in Supermarket and I thought hey! this is great. I also saw a mother with two small children and a newborn screaming and it made me shudder!

All it takes though is a hissy fit over some hideous stupid noddy ride that they plant (helpfully) at the door and I think, no way in hell am I having any more!

I too have thoughts about DS being older and being in school etc. so I can have some peace and quiet.

Tutti Frutti, I think you are right! I suppose I am waiting for someone to tell me what to do. It's all going round and round it my head constantly at the moment. I sway from yes to no and back again.

DS does go to Nursery 1 or 2 days each week and I do go to a gym with a creche which is great. DH is beginning to come round about getting an au pair which would enable me to keep working. You are probably thinking by now, what the hell are you moaning about? Sometimes I wonder myself!

Truth be told, I just did not think parenthood would be this hard, stressful or tiring and my DH and I are not the types to laugh at life when the going is tough (perhaps that is the problem!). I worry about our relationship too if we were to have no.2. Not sure we would survive...

I think I need therapy!

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naughtystep · 27/06/2007 17:29

p.s. I think if I had had a DD first I would be happy to leave it at one. I sometimes feel bitter that my DH has got his beloved son and I am left trying to decide whether to go for no.2 to see if we can have a girl.

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happyathome · 27/06/2007 17:31

Biggggg hug for you naughtystep.You are
very selfless in my opinion.You look after your son yourself,you work,so you help with family finances,sounds like youv'e given up what YOU like for your DS and DH.(oh and the skiing).It's probably this lack of balance in your life(not enough you time) that's got you down.Just under three,is a very demanding age.I have been through stages that
drove me up the wall-a lot of it being the toddler years.There is a light at the end of the big endless tunnel when they reach 4-5...yesss ....school...freedom and they finally get off your back a bit.The busyness of school uses up their energy a lot and you don't have to feel as responsible for the 'kids' activities .
I go through patches where i wonder why the hell i'm 33 and having to do all the 5 yr old activities.I like it maybe about 20% of the time,but not ALL the time and when i'm ill or tired,i could happily send DD off in a rocket up to the moon(which is where she says she loves us up to.
No honestly,it is harder with an only,as we
feel obliged to be their playmate and feel guilty if we so much as let them watch 10 minutes tv and not play with them(i use it a lot too though when tired.I feel like i have to be supermum AND sister AND friend for DD.
Trudging round endless playgrounds and most days out being child-centred doesn't always appeal either-just want to go for a long walk with DH(boring for DD!) or go on holiday to Norway(instead of a Haven holiday in Britain...not really a holiday for us mums is it??!!).
MESS is my big HATE and i had to smile at your glitter comment.If DD takes it out without me to carefully pour it on folded paper,and she just pours the whole bottle on...a big red mist descends before my eyes...i'm there with the hoover straight away the other day,just because she spilt some and must have spoilt her fun with my mood...think i do have a bit of an OCD type thing going on with germs/mess e.t.c.,think i need counselling over that one.Wondered if a 2nd kid would cure me,but i would probably just have a nervous breakdown instead.
Your DH was extremely insensitive saying that...i would cry if mine said that,as i would feel such a failure,but i'm coming to the conclusion that we all parent differently,and we all have different coping levels!-wish my DH was more involved helping with just DD,let alone a second..well it's his daughter too!-anyway i guess other mums just HAVE TO cope,but we are only looking after our own mental/physical health,which is a lot healthier for our kids...all these experts advocate 'me' time.Maybe we should stop putting ourselves down.We are trying our best eh?!-you will get your adult life back soon.Do what makes YOU happy.
BTW i do not spend my days immersed in housework e.t.c.,i now spend at least 2 hours a day on pleasurable web surfing -that is selfish in my opinion!
If your'e happy and fullfilled,it will rub off on your DS and he will get a better deal!
take care.

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