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feel annoyed about this but maybe I am over reacting

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gingernutlover · 21/01/2007 18:38

DD has been at nursery since august and wears cloth nappies

since she started I have sent her nappies made up with fleece liners, and satff have sliuced out any "bowl movements" and sent them home. I was warned at the beginning that "although we give them a quick wash you might need to soajk them" - which was fine, they never quibbled on the fleece liners

On friday I was greeting with a nopte in dd's bag which said "please send paper liners from now on as they are easier" also in her bag was a disgusting nappy which had obviously just been folded up and put in a nappy bag. They did not warn me about this and so got a nasty suprise when I got home.

Now I have no problem about washing out nappies but feel a bit pissed off that they suddenly are not willing to do it !?!?!?!

I do have a problem with papaer liners, all the ones I have tried end up screwed into ball/roll and dont catch any poo, also dd has very sensitive skin and fleece really seems to suit her.

i do have another issue with them too, dd is now 17months old and practically sprinting round the baby room, yet she is not allowed to movce up to the toddler room because they are waiting for another child to move up. They told me in nov she would move by xmas and I do feel abit pissed off, cos I real;sie that it is purely down to numbers and money.

This latest thing with the liners hasd just fuelled my annoyance.

sorry rant over

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DizzyBint · 21/01/2007 18:41

they should have discussed it with you, not just sent a note. how incredibly rude. ask to see the manager.

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colditz · 21/01/2007 18:45

i would be pissed off. Surely they have no right to dictate by letter that you make their lives easier?! If they said at the start they would do her nappies, they should damn well do her nappies.

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NurseyJo · 21/01/2007 18:45

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tortoiseSHELL · 21/01/2007 18:47

It does sound a bit unreasonable - but if you do have to go over to paper ones, I've found popolini to be the best - they're flushable, and really strong - I've washed some in the machine and they've survived to fight another day!!!

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gingernutlover · 21/01/2007 19:29

thanks for the advice, i think I will phone tomorrow am, dd not due in til wednesday so I do have time to go out and buy lioners if I really have to. You are right, the paper liners do kind of cause an issue for me in an environmental sense, if the popolini ones survive the washing machine are they really that env friendly to be flushing down the loo.

nursery jo

I am assuming it is common practice to sluice out cloth nappies then? fleece liners are they commonly used by parents who use nurseries?

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gingernutlover · 21/01/2007 19:31

wow, just looked at kittykins and seen the prices, think it will be the soothing ones for dd too damn that nursery

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gingernutlover · 22/01/2007 07:31

starting to get worried about speaking to the manager, not really sure what to say and dont want to alienate the staff - after all I want them to look after dd

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gingernutlover · 22/01/2007 19:29

okay, update, I phoned manager today to be told quite abruptly that the main problem is that to wash dd's nappy out they have to use the staff lav as they have no other facilities and this takes a person out of the room thus messing up their ratios.

I somehow found myslef aggreing to sending in a roll of liners I have found laying around to see how thewy get on.

Feel I have been fobbed off though, cos I enquired about whether their policy states that nappies will be washed out and was told they would, so even if a little bit of poo escapes the liner then they will still have to leave the room to wahs it, No?

I explained that I do not use the liners at home mainly cos the screw up and are ineffectual - to be honest felt she was just ignoring this cos she just kept going on about staff ratios and how the particular poo that caused the problems was a really bad one and that the poor staff member had been in the loo ages trying to clean the nappy.

Have agreed I will send the nappiues in with fleece liners and they can put in a paper one if they so wish - have decided will not be putting a [aper one in the one she wears first thing so it is up to them what they do when she gets there.

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gingernutlover · 22/01/2007 19:31

and decided if they insist on paper liners, tehy will be getting the cheapest and flimsiest I can find from now on just to make sure I prove my point

they are being refurbed soon and I am going to put in a suggestion that they have proper sluicing facilities for nappies

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chlochlo · 22/01/2007 22:22

I think that is still awful and as a nursery nurse myself can't see why this is a problem they should be working in partnership with parents not against them.
Also a very active 17mo in a baby room???

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MrsJohnCusack · 22/01/2007 22:28

well and also the actual advice on disposing of disposable nappies is that all poo is removed and flushed down the loo before throwing the nappy away - so they can't be doing that either presumably? Must be lovely collecting their rubbish!

think a STRONG suggestion for the refurb is a very good idea!

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MrsJohnCusack · 22/01/2007 22:30

or maybe they do
I might have failed to understand this. sorry!

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gingernutlover · 23/01/2007 07:20

yeah have woken up this morning still feeling very pissed off actually - not sure what to do qabout the liners and about her still beibg in the bqaby room. they do say that whewnevr numbers permit they take her into the toddlers - and sje normally there when i pick up - but am feeling maybe i made the wrong decision about going back to work/childcare

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nearlyfourbob · 23/01/2007 07:40

"but am feeling maybe i made the wrong decision about going back to work/childcare"

reading up the thread I wondered if this was actually the real issue.

In the nursery ds used to go to (left to start Kindy this week - nothing dubious) they stay in the baby room until they are 2. You can't move her up if there isn't a place, but you can talk about how her needs can be met within the room.

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gingernutlover · 23/01/2007 07:53

you are right bthe room tghing has been boithrering me and this latest thing with the liners has brought things to a head for me. the fact that they keep sending her inot the toddler room when they can proves she is ready to be there and whilst I understand they cannot move her until there is a place, I have been told repeatedly, "oh she'll be moving in a couple of weeks" since october, to the point where I went out and purchased shoes because they said she would need them in the garden. I speak to a different member of staff most tijmes I pick up/drop off and I never seem to get a straight answer.

as for the liners -= I am angered by the way it has been dealt with, firstly a note sent home then the conversation yesyerday when the manager was very defensive and short with me. Had she said " look we have a problem with short staffed times and asquith have not givene usd proper facilities, can you help?" I may feel differently.

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fluffyanimal · 23/01/2007 12:31

I think you are right to be annoyed. I would emphasise the skin sensitivity issue - they have to cater for special needs like that, after all if it was a special diet they would have to follow your instructions, so why not for a special skincare need? That's the aspect I would emphasise.

On the other hand, how do you feel about them bagging up pooey liners for you to do at home? I use cloth nappies from a delivery service with folded nappies and an outer wrap, and sometimes the poo escapes into the wrap. I just tell my nursery to bag these up and I'll rinse when ds comes home. Would that be a better compromise situation for you?

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TrinityRhino · 23/01/2007 12:38

I think it is completely unreasonable that they have asked you to change to paper liners. It is not your fault that they don't have proper facilities on hand for things like this.

The 17 month old in a baby room though is not so much of an issue I would say

dd2 is 21 months old and in the baby rooms still, they stay there till they are 2.
She now uses reusables with fleece liners (although she is the only child in the whole nurserywho does) they have been quite happy to sort them and I wopuld not let them tell me to use paper liners in any case. I chose to use fleece for many reasons and will stick to that

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sunnysideup · 23/01/2007 13:45

gingernut, I totally agree the manager should have raised the issue about the liners with you, it was pretty offhand to do it in a note.

However I would be really pleased that they are paying attention to their ratios, which are really important for the health and safety of ALL the children in the nursery.....I'd rather my ds had a paper liner than had an illegal staff ratio at his place of care...........

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NurseyJo · 23/01/2007 20:03

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preggerspoppet · 23/01/2007 20:29

have to say, think the ratio thing is an excuse, there are plenty of times in nurseries when a staff member has to go and poo themselves, therefore leaving one person short! more like some people are complaining about having to sluice the poo.
unfortunatly not everyone is happy to do that (perhaps because they are so used to throwing the shitty nappy in the bin which is a hundred times more disgusting imo).

But if they have a policy then they have to stick to it. so if I were you I would stick to fleece, you have very good reason to after all.

when you talk to them, remind yourself that you pay their wages, and they should be trying to keep you happy.

oh, another thing is that offstead would be interested in any non-cooperation to do with cloth nappies, as nurseries have an obligation to accomodate them.

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IlanaK · 23/01/2007 20:43

I own a nursery and we changed to cloth nappies in the baby room for environmental reasons. All babies use them while at nursery (we provide them) unless a parent objects (none do). The staff manage fine with it all.

AS for the ratios, I am a bit worried by the previous posters suggestion that it is standard at nurseries for staff to regularly leave the room for whatever reason (like going to the toilet themselves) and therefore leaving the room under staffed. This is certinaly not the case in my nursery and I would hope not in others. I someone needs to leave the room for any reason like going to the loo, someone else steps in for them. There is no excuse for leaving a room understaffed.

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preggerspoppet · 23/01/2007 21:04

ok, hear what you are saying, I wasnt suggestng they leave it understaffed, I was presuming they could simply cover it...

if it is easy enough for someone to come in and cover while someone goes to the toilet, then why is it so much harder to get someone to come and covr while you pop to sluice the nappy?

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