Could you use a nursery where a baby had choked to death?

[Bluemonkeyspots]

Yes this is about a case in the news.

If you lived near the nursery though could you even consider using it even though what happened was a tragic accident or would it be a definite no "just because"

[dashoflime]

Even though rationally I would know that accidents can happen anywhere, even places that provide excellent care and are sometimes nobodies fault: No, I think I probably couldn't bring myself to leave DS somewhere where another baby had recently died.

What a sad case

[HSMMaCM]

It would put me off, but I do know CMs who have had children die in their care and they are still working, so it clearly doesn't put everyone off. (It was not the CMs fault)

[Bluemonkeyspots]

It's put me off, but dh (though he would never force something I'm not comfortable with) thinks there is no harm still checking it out. I think it would always be at the back of my mind though no matter what I felt about the actual setting

[AntoinetteCosway]

I couldn't. I know it wouldn't make it any more likely to happen again, but I would always be thinking about it. A child at a nursery in York died recently and the nursery closed down-I don't know whether it WAS closed down or whether the management decided to close it though.

[Bluemonkeyspots]

Dh thinks it will be less likely to happen again as no doubt they have gone beyond the minimum requirements for first aiders but I'm glad others share my fears even if they are irrational

[YesAnastasia]

No

[NomDeClavier]

I probably would because it can happen anywhere, from the new coverage it was a very unusual complication that caused the death and the nursery have probably beefed up their policies since and are extremely vigilant. I'd investigate carefully that they had reacted, though.

[ThurlHoHoHow]

Yes, though I would ask to see what changes and training had been put in place after the tragedy and would want to be satisfied with their response.

If it is the story that has been in the news recently (or one like that) then it was a terrible tragedy and a complicated situation and from the news reports it doesn't seem that the nursery was at fault.

[MuffCakes]

I would think the nursery as taken huge steps to ensure this never happens again and are as a consequence of this less lax the others in the area.

Things like this unfortunately happen everywhere, it's happened in schools with older children, it has even happened in McDonalds. Would you never go to a restaurant again because of it?

[Gileswithachainsaw]

It depends really. Were the nursery at fault?

With all the staff in the world and even instant application of appropriate first aid these things do still happen.

Id have to know more to decide really.

What an awful thing to happen though :(

[Bluemonkeyspots]

Muff a restaurant is totally different, I would not be leaving my child there for x hours every week and trusting them to take my place as primary care giver in my absence.

Giles from what i understand from the news reports the first aid trained member of staff panicked and left the baby with a untrained member of staff while she phoned the ambulance, there is also parts of what I have read which points to the staff covering up how the baby chocked (one witness says the person feeding the baby turned to talk to someone but the person feeding denies this)

[Gileswithachainsaw]

Well in that case definitely not. Not just because of failure to follow procedures or take care in their work but also because covering their arses means more to them than providing care for the children.

[MuffCakes]

What about school? DC do choke and sadly die at school on the odd thankfully rare occasions.

I wouldn't leave my child anyway I wasn't comfortable with, but a one off incident wouldn't be the reason I wasn't comfortable. Things like lots of little careless incidents IE forgetting ticking off children and not writing things like nappy changes and how much food they had to eat down. Or children going missing and ending up in other rooms, being out of ratio if a staff member leaves the room to go to the toilet are problems I would look out for.

Big incidents don't tend to happen very frequently and not in the same place twice often. It is the little things that proceed the big incidences I would be wary of.

[Bakerof3pudsxx]

With the case that's been in the news recently I think a large part of the "blame" is on the emergency services operator who did not deal with the call properly

[Bakerof3pudsxx]

"Being out of ratio if someone goes to the toilet"

Really? That would bother you? It takes only a couple of minutes to use the loo

I know of no child care settings that have extra staff so people can leave the room for the toilet

What about a child minder? They must leave children alone in a room to go to the toilet

[Bluemonkeyspots]

I'm actually a really relaxed parent, ratios paperwork etc don't really bother me. I just want somewhere that will love my child and enjoy playing/teaching them everyday.

I just don't think I can get past the history of the place. Anyway we have another few visits lined up so hopefully the perfect place will be among them

[SherbetDibDab]

Where ever you visit, I would be asking how many of the team are first aid trained.

Currently the requirement is for just ONE person in a setting to have first aid training. A good setting will have more, ideally everybody first aid trained. Then in an emergency there's more likely someone who's personality is suited to remain calm and effective. You can't test that in training.

[onlysettleforbutterflies]

I wouldn't be able to use that nursery, even though I appreciate their policies and procedures are now probably more water tight than ever (I also live quite close).

No one will ever know if the little girl could have been saved if various factors had been different, a few things came out of the inquest that were worrying.

[Bluemonkeyspots]

Only settle, can you recommend any in that area?

[Idespair]

No I couldn't.
Even though it's probably irrational, it would be how I felt.

[ReallyTired]

I imagine that a nursery where a child had died would have a complete change of staff. Prehaps more scarily a person who worked at the nursery where the child died might be working at a different nursery.

If it was me, I don't think I could get past the history. Its similar to going on holiday where Madeline McCann was snatched from.

[CatAmongThePigeons]

That nursery failed spectacularly, there is no way I would trust them with my DC.

[onlysettleforbutterflies]

Sorry I don't know enough nurseries around there to recommend anywhere properly, although Greenbanks used to be good (expensive though I think). Kids Allowed near Handforth has a very good reputation.

[Bluemonkeyspots]

Ok thanks, think I may be swinging towards a childminder I met at babygroup now anyway. Not that I really believe in "fate" but the first day I went was the last time she planned on going and I seen how she was with the mindees before she knew I needed someone so it all seemed to fall into place

[onlysettleforbutterflies]

Sounds like fate to me, especially if you have seen how she interacts with the children. Good luck.