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Campaign for Better Miscarriage Care - have you got two mins?

(62 Posts)
KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 28-Mar-12 15:04:34

Hello

You might remember that, as part of our Campaign for Better Miscarriage Care, we called for a change to the term 'evacuation of the retained products of conception' to describe the surgical procedure which some women undergo following a miscarriage.  

Great news - following discussions with the Dept of Health, a consultation has been launched by the Association of Early Pregnancy Units and the Miscarriage Association with a view to officially replacing ERPC with an alternative term.  One term being considered is 'surgical completion of miscarriage', as suggested by MNers on a previous thread, along with 'surgical removal of miscarriage' and 'surgical treatment of miscarriage'.

It's terribly exciting that the campaign is starting to galvanise change - so if you've got a mo, do go to the survey site and let them know which term you think is the most suitable. And don't forget to come back and tell us that you've done it!  We'll be sure to keep you informed of progress as things move forward. 

Lynzw75 Mon 16-Apr-12 21:29:52

I suggested Surgical assistance with miscarriage too as suggested previously as miscarriage does occur naturally but some women need assistance.

Completion sounds the best IMO
Treatment sounds like hope which you want above anything else at that time
And I too wish that I could think of something better than surgical!

ICutMyFootOnOccamsRazor Fri 30-Mar-12 15:31:52

Done. I went for the completion option.

nappymaestro Fri 30-Mar-12 14:45:46

Pesto thank you for posting that - I think pg loss is best.

PestoPenguin Fri 30-Mar-12 13:21:27

Sorry realhouse and kitkat, I didn't mean to upset you further sad.

I find the term miscarriage quite hard myself actually, as it suggests to me that my body was at fault sad. Pregnancy loss is how I would refer to it.

I agree that I wouldn't want the word 'baby' in there, even though I viewed my two early miscarriages as the loss of a baby each time sad.

done, preferred completion.

LineRunner Fri 30-Mar-12 10:20:55

Done

Solo Fri 30-Mar-12 01:04:23

Done.

realhousewifeofdevoncounty Fri 30-Mar-12 00:12:52

I wasn't for a minute arguing that the term spontaneous abortion (god, don't even like typing it) should be kept, I too find it abhorrent. Just saying that I hope the med profession don't fail to adopt the new name because it isn't "technical" enough iyswim, which if course is wrong. Anyway, not going to post about that again as I don't like using the term. sad

Chocolatebrowniequeen Thu 29-Mar-12 23:02:48

Done

MrsLovelyPants Thu 29-Mar-12 22:21:34

Done. I always thought that term ERPC sounded horrid, glad they are doing something about it.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney Thu 29-Mar-12 20:53:27

Done, thank you MN and the Miscarriage Assoc, one step on a long road forward.

KatAndKit Thu 29-Mar-12 19:02:12

I agree with you about renaming "spontaneous abortion" - there's no reason not to rename that miscarriage, and guidelines already tell them that miscarriage is the term they should use with patients anyway.

My point about using correct language was that it would not necessarily be appropriate for any terminology to replace ERPC to make reference to a "baby".

PestoPenguin Thu 29-Mar-12 18:56:56

I've done it.

I don't buy this whole "medical profession must use correct medical language" argument. The correct medical term is whatever is agreed by the profession to have the meaning assigned. There is no reason at all that spontaneous abortion cannot be renamed miscarriage in formal medical terminology. For doctors to suggest otherwise is pompous, insensitive and frankly up their own arses IMO.

tunnocksteacake Thu 29-Mar-12 18:35:54

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Done

bubby64 Thu 29-Mar-12 12:52:41

Definatly "Compleation" as far as I am concerned. Nice to see that the people who are involved in this unhappy event are finally being asked their opinion.

woollyjo Thu 29-Mar-12 12:33:46

Done, I went for completion.

StellaAndFries Thu 29-Mar-12 10:46:28

Done. I went for completion.

tasmaniandevilchaser Thu 29-Mar-12 09:11:48

Done, I also voted for completion. I had a MMC, so although I understand the poster who said she didn't like completion as it hadn't started, in my mind, it all started when my baby died sad, so needed to be completed so I could move on....try to move on sad. Don't like removal and treatment does suggest some hope, so not appropriate.

realhousewifeofdevoncounty Thu 29-Mar-12 09:06:35

Yes happy, unfortunately the correct term for miscarriage is spontaneous abortion, abortion meaning just a premature end o of pregnancy for whatever reason in the medical world, but obviously has other connotations in every day language, and can be quite a distressing word to hear. Don't worry noone was trying to imply you had a termination. X sad

I voted for completion too.

When I had my ERPC I asked for the remains so that I could do a formal farewell at home - we had a cremation and my vicar friend said a few words, it was very emotional but very healing too. I did have to ask the nurse to stop calling the remains 'the product' as it felt too harsh, though she did mention that some women didn't like to call it 'baby'. I think that is something that the HCPs need to learn to play by ear.

flapperghasted Thu 29-Mar-12 08:07:57

Done

CuppaTeaJanice Thu 29-Mar-12 08:06:35

Completion is the most correct term. Afaik, my ERPC didn't remove the embryo (that had been removed with forceps the previous day), but other pregnancy-related tissues - mixed echoes as the sonographer called them.

Also I would hate for the miscarriage to have been referred to as a baby at any point. The fact it was my embryo that died before it developed into a baby minimised my sense of loss and kept me sane at that traumatic time. If people had referred to it as a 'baby', it would have forced the whole experience into the dark realms of stillbirth and I would have found it much harder to cope. I understand this will be different for later miscarriages.

HappyHippyChick Thu 29-Mar-12 07:49:30

What I found worse was at one appointment, I can't remember if it was during/after my miscarriage or during a subsequent ante natal appointment they told me they had to call it an abortion on the form as the foetus had been aborted - albeit unwillingly. That was awful as I had lost my precious baby, not aborted it sad

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