blighted ovum, does any one know the earliest that this can be diagnosed?

[deanychip]

How many weeks on a TV scan?

I have googled it and cant find how many weeks at the earliest.

[deanychip]

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[AnyFuckerStealsHerKidsEggs]

Mine was diagnosed on scan at 9wks.

I don't know how early, I would suspect sooner than that as it means the pregnancy was never going to develop so should be obvious pretty soon IYSWIM.

I am sorry if this is happening to you.

[HoldYourHorses]

Hi Deanychip,

Having had 2 blighted ovum's, I don't think it can be diagnosed until about 7 weeks. With my last Blighted ovum, I was scanned at 6 weeks, and the sonographer said that there was a love;ly round sac there, but that she couldn't tell at that point if it was a blighted ovum or a healthy pregnancy as it was so early that the embryo might just not have developed yet / be visible. I had to return for another scan at 7 weeks so they could see if there was growth / an embryo and a heartbeat. (There wasn't).

So I think it's hard to diagnose very early, as the embryo might just not have developed yet, and in my experience they may need to do a couple of scans a week or so apart if they are doing it very early, to confirn blighted ovum.

I hope this makes sense, and I hope you're okay??

I am 5 weeks pregnant following 2 blighted ovum pregnancies in the last 6 months, and am hoping to get an early scan at about 7 and a half weeks. I thought that if I can wait until then, at least they should be able to tell me something conclusive either way. God I hope I see a real beating heart in there!

[deanychip]

thanks holdyourhorses.
I am 5 weeks now, but the same as you, i have had 2 blighted ovums too in the past. (how spoky is that!!)

Was having abdominal cramps, oddly, i have had no bleeding and the pregnancy symptoms are very strong this time, previously i have had symptoms but they have abruptly stopped at about 6 weeks and they have not been strong.

Had a scan which showed my uterus was empty...another scan 10 days later and a gestational sac was there. HCG had more than doubled. Previously they had increased slightly and sluggishly.
Scan showed nothing in the sac....gotta go for another scan in 10 days. Measuring about 5 weeks so they tell me it is too tiny to show up anything yet.

I dont know what you think, but i absolutely refuse to see the positive side to this because i have been here twice before and it can all go tits up so quickly and for no reason.

I am just hanging on for 10 days down the line.....just want to see a little heart beating away more than anything i have ever wanted.

Fingers crossed for you, i would love to keep in touch to see how you go on,im so glad im not alone in this. Thanks for sharing, i thought that i was the only one in the whole world to have such luck.
thanks.

[HoldYourHorses]

Hi Deanychip.

This is spooky! I was having weird cramps too (at about 4 + 2) but no bleeding either, and pregnancy symptoms seem quite strong too (although got to 12 weeks with 1st blighted ovum with massive preg symptoms all the way!)

So how early did they do your first scan? The HCG increase sounds very positive esp compared to previously. I'm impressed that you're being monitored and scanned so early - are you in Eng and NHS or private? Sorry if too nosy, just wondered if maybe I should ask for something further after all.

It all sounds very promising for you to be honest, but having been here before, I know that there's no way of knowing until that definitive scan at 6 /7 weeks when they def should see a heartbeat and an embryo.

I am trying to be positive as I am worried that if I am too negative I might cause something bad to happen when things were actually going well. (Silly I know!) But being positive for me doesn't mean thinking yippee, I'm pregnant. I am not going to get excited until I see a heartbeat this time. It's just too hard.

I know from experience that your 10 days is gong to be tough. Hang in there, and all you can do is hope. And try to stay positive - you never know! I've had the week wait between scans before and it nearly killed me. That's why I think I'd be better off nt being scanned before 7 weeks this time. Although I guess there's still a chance it might not be conclusive at 7 weeks and I might still have to wait. Or it might be fine!! I hope!!

Have you got any children already? Have you had any tests done after your 2 previos blighted ovum's? I have been diagnosed with an underactive thyroid since my last miscarriage, and am also on baby asprin. I am praying these things make a difference this time.

Ps It is pretty bad luck isn't it. All the Dr's I spoke to after my first said it would be incredibly unlikely to happen twice. Which is why I'm now not syuprised if it happened a third time.

Let's def keep each other updated.

[deanychip]

Hello!
I am with the NHS in England but i am insistant and present myself to EFAU. Luckily you can self refer to the unit, so they see me with no problems.
I thought that i was about 6 weeks when i first went with abdo pain. But they said it was only 4 weeks there abouts. Working out conception its about right.

Thing is, with my previous blighted ovums, i had bleeding, only a tiny amount, and at the same time, the pregnancy symptoms abruptly ended.
This time, i have had no bleeding at all and the symptoms are very strong, i have just had some pain.

Got 7 days to wait for my next scan and to tell me if i am having a baby or if i need the tablets and pessaries to end it again.

I have a boy who is nearly 6. Had 2 mcs, one blighted ovum before i had him.I miscarried that one at 13 weeks.
I had 2nd blighted ovum last March. That was at 7 weeks.
I have never had any investigations because just like you, they told me it was very unlikely to happen again.....

What is soul destroying is that i cannot feel any excitement or happiness that normal people with normal pregnancies are entitled to. I feel dread, disapointment, sadness, anxiety and desperate some days.
This will carry on until after 17 weeks.
I aim for milestones.
10days to heart beat.
12 weeks for official scan
16 weeks for nuchal fold scan
then i will allow myself excitement, and will relax and enjoy.
I cant think past the next time i need a pee....it is a constant obsession with checking for bleeding.

At the moment a girl that i work with has announced her pregnancy, i just need one more person to announce their pregnancy then that means mine will end in mc.
1 in 3 ends in mc....i am always always that 1 in 3.
I just cannot be positive at this stage.

I SO HOPE that every thing is ok with you, do you have any children?
Do you have an official date for your scan?
What gets you through?
Thanks for your reply, its nice to talk to someone who knows.

[HoldYourHorses]

Hi Deanychip,

I can totally understand what youu're going through. Your local unit sounds fantastic though and it's great that you can refer your self. You have to be refered by a Dr or midwife at my local unit. Last time (2nd miscarriage) they said they wouldn't scan me early, but I started to bleed at 5 + 2 (I'll be 5 + 2 tomorrow and am praying it doesn't happen again.) Although wth first miscarriage there were no signs anything was wrong at all until 12 week scan so you never can tell. Anyway - the Dr has said if I make an appointment with her at 7 weeks this time, she will try and fit me in for a scan then due to my history. I really hope she does!

7 days until your scan! Not tooooo long to wait. Although I am sure it will drag by. I know it wont help, but it does sound promising that you've had no bleeing, and that preg symptoms are nice and strong. Mine are too... I keep having to have little snacks all the time as I feel so sick and it's the only thing that helps. I can't sleep very well at the minute though and don't know if it's worry or pregnancy releted.

It's great you have a little boy. I have a little girl. The professionals I've spoken to seem much less concerned as I have a child already. They think it really is bad luck. I hope so.

I know what you mean about milestones and not being able to enjoy being pregnant. I'm really ttrying to xcarry on every day as if nothing was different (although it is hard when you FEEL pregnant - sick etc.) When DH and I talk about the (possible) baby we call it maybe baybe. Seems apt!

I think if I saw a heartbeat at a 7 week scan I'd totally relax then, as my 2 previous were empty sacs. I would be able to believe and relax with a heartbeat.

Bless you with your 1 in 3 statistic. Not wishing it on anyone else, but maybe it's not your turn for another miscarriage. Maybe this one will be fine. I really really hope so for you.

I think what is getting me through is not believing I'm pregnant. Just taking each day as it comes, and not getting excited about a real baby at the end of it. It's 2 more weeks until I am 7 weeks though. It's going to be tough.

Thanks for listening and Happy Easter. Are yuou up to much?

Ps are you avoidinbg all the foods / drinks etc as if you were pregnant. I am but finding it hard as obviously may well not be pregnant!

[deanychip]

Lovely to hear from you agin holdyourhorses.

Feel quite good today as my boobs almost knock me out with size and pain as i walk down the stairs at work! Gotta be good!

As we have been trying for a baby for 2 years, i have absatined from drinking alcohol, cut right back diet wise to gain a healthy BMI, taking folic acid and i have been charting my cycle.
The ironic thing is that after all of this effort, we decided to take a break in March from the whole thing.
After 2 years of negative tests month after month i got my BFP on mothers day!
Crikey we were gobsmacked because even the bd had dwindled to once at the end of Feb begining of March!!
DH had bought me a nice bottle of wine and i had 2 glasses out of it...first drink in 2 years and that month endes up with a BFP!

Not sure how many weeks i am. I think that i will be about 6 by next Thursday when i go for my next scan. Something should show up defo, so i will know for sure.
Still no bleeding, and no further pain. Just want to know as i have no trust of my own body now.

I am not working this weekend and plan to spend it with my hubby and boy, we are fitting a new kitchen so we are upside down, got lots to do...keep my mind occupied for the next 4 days at least.

I hope that you have a lovely easter, just one day at a time...one day at a time...one day at a time....when you climb in bed at night, score off another day
Thanks for listening.

[HoldYourHorses]

Hi Deanychip,

How are you doing? Sorry I've not replied sooner - been busy visiting rellies etc.

Isn't that funny how after 2 yeasrs of trying the month you kick back a bit you get pregnant! It was a big birthday for me in March, and I didn't want to deprive myself of a few drinks and later regret it. Typically managed to get pregnant then too! Haven't had any since though!

Only 4 days left for you un til scan! Wow - you'll know soon. I am feeling a bit like I'm never going to make it till 7 weeks. That's 11 more days (a week on Thurs) and it's npt like I've even got a scan then - just a Dr's appointment! Grrrrrrrrrrr.

Ylour sore boobs sound positive though. I am just so with you on not being able to trust your body anymore. I have no idea of whether yhr things I'm feeling are good and bad (so naturally I trhink they're bad!) I feel very sick but was horridly sick for 12 weeks before and blighted ovum, so not a sign that's helpful to me. God I wishg I knew, it's driving me crazy.

How will I ever make it till 7 weeks?

Anyway - happy Easter. How's the kitchen looking? Hope you're doing okay. You're nearly there.

[deanychip]

Hi!
well Easter is going great in the chip houshold, its gorgeous weather so far, the kitchen is coming on lovely and apart from sore boobs, i feel fine, "funny" but fine.
CAnt explain it, like a wet dish rag, washed out and a bit odd.
Not like me at all, i crack on, never off sick (not even with 3 Mcs,) So to feel held back is odd to me!

Got lots on this week to keep me occupied till 09.10 on Thursday when i am due to have the all revealing scan!

1o days for you now horses......feel so much better knowing that i am not on my own (im not, ive got DH and ds but with you to talk to, i feel SO much better because you "know" and understand, that is very comforting to me.

Is your scan at your local hospital?

[HoldYourHorses]

Morning Deanchip,

I'm glad you're hear to talk to, too. I also have a fantastic DH, but feel sometimes that I don't want to talk about everything with him all the time, as it's hard for him too. It's good to have someone else in exactly the same boat.

It's great that your scan is so early on Thrusday too. There's nothing worse than having a late one and having to wait all day. Horrid.

Thje gynae unit at our ocal hospital do allt he early scans. Having seen an awful lot of them over the last 6 months, they're fantastic, but you can't self refer which is a pain. A dr at my pratcice (not mine as mine is on holiday until my appointment a week thursday) said I could 'most likely' have an early scan, if I see my normal Dr at 7 weeks and arrange it. I'm just praying that my usual Dr will agree this now - she has been vey supportive so I hope so.

I've been feeling very vey ired and having naps every day when my little girl does. I didn't have one yesteday as busy with Easter stuff, and was exhausted at the end of the day.

Anyway - enjoy the sunny weather. 3 days left for you!

[deanychip]

It is so handy biong able to self refer, i just pop in as it is open 7 days a week as well.

Dont make a nuisance of myself,or anything, but when i got pain, i was so distressed i just went, they were really great.
It is run by gynae nurses not midwives and that makes a huge difference because the midwives are not used to "unusual" pregnancies and so i have found that they were unable to answer my questions or explain to me what was happening. The gynae nurses do know as they deal with the strange and unusual so to speak.

They have a sonographer on site as well. This is good news for the accurate interpretaion of findings.

I am lucky but it has only been like this for the last 6 months, prior to that it was not as well organised.

[HoldYourHorses]

Hi Deanychip, how's your day been?

Only 1 day away from knowing for you! How are you feeling? Are you 50 / 50 or more positive / negative? Is it 2 scans that you've had already for this pregnancy? How positive were the sonographers at your last scan? I am so so hoping that it's going to work out for you.

What are your symptoms at the moment? I had to have a blood test today, and was nearly sick after the nurse did it. I am also feeling very hungry, which I'm hoping is a good sign (or maybe I'm just a pig!) I was saying to DH that if this pregnancy isn't successful I'm going to be (obviously) absolutely devastated, but also about a stone heavier. Fun! I have also had a bit of lower back ache today, and that's worried me a bit. I know it's a normal pregnancy sign, but I got it so much woth my last miscarriage that I can't assosicate it as normal. I also have lots of sensations of something happening down there. I really have no idea whether these signs are all good or bad though. It's miserable waiting. I had a bad day yesterday and got a bit upset. I don't know how I'll cope if it all goes wrong again, but i can't imagine it going right. I think I've even forgotten that there could possibly be a baby at the end of this it seems so impossible.

Anyway - Sorry to moan.

You're nearly there!

[deanychip]

Hi, Lovely to hear from you.

Had a good day today thanks. No bleeding, no more pain, starting to have little smiles to myself, but then want to weep and wail and fall apart. Not my style at all!

I know what you mean about every little twinge, back ache etc. I just think, ahh well here we go, bleeding should be on its way.

I kind of think that if it goes badly this time, i will be devastated because for us that will be the end, no more. I am nearly 39 and cannot keep putting my body and mind through this.
I am so lucky to have my little chap, we have a nice life, i just cant do it again and again.

Yep, only one day then a scan. I will know either way. I cant tell you how elated i will be to jsut see something on the scan.
So, i feel sick, or starving..literally starving...got to eat. Never know what i fancy, dont fancy anything at all...but i am starving.
Boobs are so painful, SO painful. And the symptoms are there day after day, they do not fade or just abruptly stop, that is what my experience is..But you say that you felt like this right up till your 12 weeks scan. This just makes me want to cry.
Our bodies are jsut so rotten are they not.
While we have been trying for a baby, some months, i have had very strong pregnancy symptoms. Once i vomited, sore boobs, swollen belly. Was a day late for AF. Did test...negative...went to the loo lITTERALLY half an hour later...AF was there in the toilet bowl.

So unfair. The amount of people, family and friends who announce their pregnancies and say "it was a complete accident" just makes me want to run away.

So, here we are, one day to go. CAnt wait really, i am quite excited on the quiet.

How are you doing? What were your bloods taken for today? Hcg? When will you get your results of the blood tests?

[HoldYourHorses]

No - my bloods were for an underactve thyroid (which was diagnosed after 2nd miscarriage.) Thyroid levels can alter very quickly in early pregnancy so it's important to get them checked quick in case I need more medication (as if I didn't have enough issues with pregnancy!) I am hoping that now they've diagnosed the underactive thyroid and I'm being treated for it, I wont miscarry again. Who knows though.

Yes I agree, our bodies are just so rotten. I thought I was having twins with my first missed miscarriage the sickness and symptoms were so strong. Turned out an empty sac at 12 weeks. madness. That's why I've lost all trust.

All we can do is hope for the best. Like you I am just so grateful for DD. And I know it is possible. It is for you too. And 38 isn't old for having a baby now. Although I know that there's only so much of it you can mentally and physially take. The whole process is utterly exhausting.

Right - positive thinking. repeat: it's going to be okay... It's going to be okay...

[HoldYourHorses]

Hi Deanychip, how are you today?

I was thinking of you this morning, and felt motivated enough to get on the case and try and sort something a bit more solid out about my scan. So I rang my Dr and after apologising profusely for not doing what she told me to do and wait till 7 weeks, begged her for a definite early scan. She was really lovely, and has said that she can't ring now and arrange it for next week as the clinic is emergency only, but she'll ring next Wed and put a good case forward for me then, and try and get me a scan for Wed or as soon as possible after. this has made me feel alot better, as I am finding it really hard to concentrate on anything at the minute, not knowing what's going on. I'll be 7 weeks next wed / thurs so it's perfect really.

Anyway - How are you feeling about tomorrow? I'll be thinking of you. I really really hope you get to see that little heartbeat. I'll have my fingers crossed tightly for you.

Take care, and good luck.

[deanychip]

Hi,
No nothing there, just a sac.
Going back on Tues to confirm and then think i will opt for the tabs and pessaries again, was over quickly.


Obviously gutted. But then i kinda knew all along any way.

[deanychip]

The sonographer and the nurse were all chipper, and even before i went into the scan they were both saying that all of the symptoms are great, really encouraging.

Size of the sac says i am 6+1, my dates should now put me at 8.
This is how i absolutely know that there will be nothing there when i go back on Tuesday.
I will take next week off work, to get my head together and to get the whole thing over and done with.

They said that they could get me in to see the consultant next Tuesday as well, so i will go along with that, see what he says. I dont hold out any hope for any future children now. So think i will just have to be happy with the one that i have got.

Happy for you getting a date for your scan, you will let me know wont you, feel like we are in this thing together now!
Hoping that you will have wonderful news when you get your scan.

[HoldYourHorses]

Hi deanychip,

I've been thinking about you today, and so hoped I'd see good news for you when I logged on here. I'm so, so sorry that you didn't see anything inside the sac. I'm so sorry that you've got to go through this all over again. My heart goes out to you, as I know how hard it is, and nobody deserves this to happen to them so many times.

It's good that they're rescanning on Tuesday, and that you should get to see a consultant. Do you think you'll definitely stop trying now? perhaps they'll be able to send you for more tests and try and solve the problem. You've still got time.

I remember with my second missed miscarriage the sonographer told me that the sac was empty but that it looked perfect and my dates were probaby just wrong. I knew they weren't wrong, and it was another blighted ovum. Life's just not fair, is it?

You are definitely doing the right thing taking some time off. It's ging to take longer than a week to feel better I know, but at least you wont have to face anyone for a week.

Keep in touch on here wont you? I hope you're doing okay. I'll be thinking of you, and again, I'm so terribly sorry this has happened to you again.

[HoldYourHorses]

Deanychip, did they give you any expanation as to why this might have happned again?

Can't stop thinking about you. Hope you're okay.

[deanychip]

ello, sorry but believe it or not, ive just been to an job interveiw! Is there any more stress i coul pile on in one day!!

Im fine, Put it to the back of my mind because of my interveiw,

They did not seem to have a clue why this hould happen again. Im hoping that the consultant may be able to shed some light next week. Its strange. For the same thing to keep on happening, i wonder if it could be a chromosonal problem, or the quality of my elderly eggs perhaps.
I will be interested in the consultants take on the whole thing.
Not to worry, i think that i will give it a month or two to settle after this then re think trying one last time.

Have you got a date yet for your scan?
Dont let me put you off by the way, there is only me with my luck so i am confident that youwill b fne.

[HoldYourHorses]

Wow a job interview too! You are having a busy time! Hope you get the job!

I must say I am quite worried now, as clearly it is possible to have three blighted ovum pregnancies. Arghhhhh. Hopefully my scan will be Wed or Fri. I am really struggling every day now though. I hate not knowing. Still feeeling sick as a dog. Trying to be positive but it's so hard, especially hearing your story.

Boo Hiss for how hard it is to have a second babY! I'm glad you're doing okay, and that you might give it another shot.

[deanychip]

DAGNAMIT, didnt get the job either, so no baby and no new job....

STILL i still have a job i love and i still have a little boy that i love so not too bad if you look at it like that.

[HoldYourHorses]

Hi Deanychip,

How are you doing today? Sorry to hear that you didn't get the job. That can't have helped things. You sound pretty optimistic though, and you're so right - we should be grateful for what we already have.

I have had quite sharp jabby pains both sides in my uterus today, and it's been really worrying me. It doesn't feel 'bad' as such, like the pains I've had with the 2 miscarriages before. It doesn't feel 'good' either though. I hate this waiting game. I was so close to booking a private scan for tomorrow, but didn';t in the end. I decided that if they couldn't see a heartbeat tomorrow it might be too early anyhow (or there might be a problem) but at least if I wait a bit longer than they SHOULD see a heartbeat, in theroy. I'd rather leave it and know more conclusively then have a scan tomorrow and panic for another week.

Anyway - I hope you're holding up okay.

HYH

[deanychip]

Evening chuck!

You know that those pains could easily be the normal contraction of your womb as it grows accomodating your baby dont you.

We are a nightmare arent we! We automatically presume bad things because of our history dont we, its natural i suppose.

My pregnancy symptoms are definitely diminishing now. Just waiting for the bleeding, if it can happen naturally it will be more acceptable and much better than having drugs to bring on the loss.

My little boy has got chicken pox as well, poor little chap, we are both feeling sorry for our selves! Bought some calamine lotion and the smell of it took me right back to bieng 5 years old with sunburn...it was uncanny!
Went to the beach today and played in the water, it was glorious sunshine, just the two of us, it was bliss. Life is SO good and far overshadows these sprinklings of crap.

DH and i had a chat, we do want to try again, definitely do. Im kind of relieved because we have a plan, we know what we want to do and i feel that i have a bit more information now, the fact that i fell pregnant by concieving days after the end of my period, instead of thinking that ovulation occurs 14 days after your lmp. Think thats why we have not concieved for 2 years up till now. So we know now.

So, will get next week out of the way, then will start with a fresh slate.

Could you not go back to your docs on Monday and tell them of your pains?
With your history, they cant realy say no can they?