Switzerland - leaving with kids

(13 Posts)
rivellarot Thu 15-Aug-13 13:57:59

Hello. I have namechanged for this. I've been in Switzerland for 5 years and would like to go home to the UK. The problem is that the UK isn't 'home' for my dh and he isn't a fan. Things are very rocky between us (in bleak moments I think the move here has wrecked our marriage, ruined my career and screwed us financially) and although i don't want us to separate, it's a distinct possibility. Could my dh prevent me going back to the UK and force me to stay here, even if we did split? The thought fills me with absolute horror tbh. Our dcs are 3 and 6. DH and i have also discussed my moving back with the children and doing a long distance thing for between 1-2 years. I know this isn't ideal but we won't make it if i stay here long term. If anyone has any tips on how to make this work, much appreciated. Thank you.

FatOwl Thu 15-Aug-13 18:06:26

Are your children UK citizens?
You say the youngest one is 3 (so born in Switzerland?)
What nationality is your Dh?

LIZS Thu 15-Aug-13 18:13:46

Unless he is Swiss I don't think you'll have a problem leaving, even then I know of a US citizen who left when she discovered her h had been unfaithful and they got divorced.

luvmy4kids Thu 15-Aug-13 18:36:29

Sorry to hear of the hard time you are having. I'd do a bit of research regarding Hague convention and how Switzerland views the children of foreign natonals resident in their country. It might be fine, it might not be. Where we are, I know a mum who took 2 years to get permission to leave and go back to where they came from. It was hard watching, as I could see it from both sides, the judge had to decide where it would be best for the children, not the parents, no matter how hard that might be on the parents. You have my greatest sympathy. Changing countries and differing views do indeed have horrendous consequences on relationships sometimes. Big hug to you all.

SunnyIntervals Thu 15-Aug-13 18:38:57

Dear op, I am really sorry to hear this. I think you need to get proper legal advice from a solicitor in England now, to check out your position. You can then try to put yourself in the strongest possible position if you do split up.

luvmy4kids Thu 15-Aug-13 18:50:27

Legal advice from Switzerland first.

rivellarot Thu 15-Aug-13 22:19:53

Thanks for all the helpful advice. We all have British passports (including dh who also has a NZ passport). Dd1 was born in the uk and dd2 in ch. I hope we sort things out and find a compromise. But just to be on the safe side I will do a bit of local research.

MasterOfTheYoniverse Fri 16-Aug-13 08:24:44

Good luck Rivellarot!
Have friends going through a similar situation in Asia. Its heartbreaking to see it all unfold. Considering the distance with a possible trial separation/return of a spouse to Europe, its a wrench thinking about the kids, visitation rights, visas/residency, the pressure of finances... etc….
Agree get counsel where you are currently a resident without delay to clarify these essential matters before making any move.
x

WallyBantersYoniBox Fri 30-Aug-13 15:25:42

Hi,

Have you tried posting on the English Forum Switzerland for advice? There is a section on relationship/family there, and in the past I've read of some similar questions.

Your Gemeinde normally has a service that could help too - and advice on the process of leaving the country - closing accounts that may be in your name, entitlement to Kindergeld etc.

To be honest I think the Swiss tend to stay out of non-Swiss arrangements.

If he has agreed that you could return for a long distance relationship then this isn't far different to him just coming to visit the kids in the UK is it?

Has the move caused the rift, or do you think the rift was there to begin with and things got worse?

I am in the Basel area PM if you need someone to talk to?

Salbertina Sun 01-Sep-13 10:24:19

Has Switz signed the Hague convention? If so habitual residence is key and will be where the kids are and have been a while so dh's permission will be needed to leave.

runningmad Sun 01-Sep-13 12:47:36

yes Switzerland has signed the Hague Convention.

Salbertina Sun 01-Sep-13 12:55:41

Then op cannot leave with her kids without partner's permission.

rivellarot Sun 01-Sep-13 14:27:23

Thanks all. I suspected that ch was a signatory to The Hague convention. I will try to speak with a lawyer this week to see what rights I have/don't have. Wally, our marriage wasn't perfect but the move has pretty much screwed things up. In addition I left a very stable and lucrative PT job to move here and can no longer get a mortgage in my Own name ( self employed, less than 3 yrs accounts, not enough income). I sometimes wish I had never come here, although my skiing is certainly a lot better as a result!

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