Tory crime allegations: Why stop with Shapps?

(13 Posts)
MrJudgeyPants Mon 04-Nov-13 14:02:52

Perhaps so, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for IDS to face punishment. I reluctantly maintain that it isn't in any parties interests to out known liars from within their adversaries and to see that they get punished.

ttosca Mon 04-Nov-13 13:36:00

> I don't cheerlead for my 'team'. I hate the Tories only slightly less than I hate Labour.

But you do. Belittling the crimes of one party and then raising the crimes of the other is partisan politics. New Labour isn't in power any more. And what New Labour did in the past doesn't excuse what is happening now.

> If Blair can set such low standards without censure, surely the, ahem, confusing of figures and statistics is a far minor charge.

He didn't escape censure. He has been censured relentlessly every since he supported the illegal and immoral war on Iraq, and continues to be censured today.

But Tony Blair is not in power. And this isn't a thread about Tony Blair or New Labour. It's a thread about the Tory scum.

And there was no 'confusing' of figures and statistics. Ian Duncan Smith is a serial liar and psychopath.

MrJudgeyPants Mon 04-Nov-13 10:35:37

I don't cheerlead for my 'team'. I hate the Tories only slightly less than I hate Labour. The point is though that politicians of all sides lie and each side know this. As lying is, despicably, part of the punch and Judy of politics these days, I doubt it is in either side's interests to make too much of an issue of this sort of thing.

If Blair can set such low standards without censure, surely the, ahem, confusing of figures and statistics is a far minor charge.

hackmum Mon 04-Nov-13 09:37:59

Classy: "Are you telling me Blair, Brown haven't been 'helped' by the law n aspects of their off curricular activities when they've needed it?"

I'm not telling you anything - I'm asking.

ttosca Mon 04-Nov-13 00:42:01

> They're all guilty of pulling strings, power and all that!

Do you vote for them?

ttosca Mon 04-Nov-13 00:40:54

> Fabricating evidence to 'justify' going to war is a bigger sin in my book.

Tony Blair is a war criminal and should be tried for war crimes.

Stop cheer-leading for your 'team'. New Labour isn't in power at the moment and whatever crimes they committed doesn't excuse the current crimes being committed by the Tory scum.

ttosca Mon 04-Nov-13 00:37:54

> Don't know about IDS and habitual lying but why aren't other parties highlighting it?

You don't know about IDS habitually lying? Seriously?

Iain Duncan Smith Caught Out Lying Yet Again

welfarenewsservice.com/iain-duncan-smith-caught-out-lying-yet-again/

MrJudgeyPants Sun 03-Nov-13 23:57:07

Fabricating evidence to 'justify' going to war is a bigger sin in my book.

CogitoErgoSometimes Sun 03-Nov-13 20:26:43

That whole PFI initiative of Labour's had a distinct reek of corruption once Blair & Brown got their grubby hands on it.

Are you telling me Blair, Brown haven't been 'helped' by the law n aspects of their off curricular activities when they've needed it?

hackmum Sun 03-Nov-13 20:06:39

Can you give us specifics, Classy?

Labour have just as many skeletons guilty of 'getting away with it.'.

Don't know about IDS and habitual lying but why aren't other parties highlighting it?

They're all guilty of pulling strings, power and all that!

ttosca Sun 03-Nov-13 14:07:21

Picture David Cameron’s bemusement, as he stares around the Cabinet at its next meeting, wondering why Labour has asked him to order an investigation into criminal allegations against Grant Shapps – when George Osborne and Iain Duncan Smith are in the room.

Labour’s Shadow Cabinet Office minister Michael Dugher has written to Cameron, calling for Shapps to be suspended and an investigation launched under the ministerial code of conduct after the police said one of his companies may have committed “an offence of fraud”.

The official Conservative line is that the police have closed investigations into Shapps’s How To Corp, there is no case to answer, and any further allegations should be put to the Party (as Dugher has) or the police. The source added: “To suggest there are allegations left unchallenged is actionable”, implying a threat of legal action if Labour persists.

But this is to deny the result of the police inquiry. The Metropolitan Police stated in a letter that the company’s sales of TrafficPaymaster software, that ‘spins and scrapes’ content from other websites, “may constitute an offence of fraud, among others”, but that this would not be investigated further.

Why not? A crime is a crime and the police are specifically employed to prevent it.

It seems that Tory ministers really are above the law.

Look at how the Met brushed off Vox Political‘s attempt to have George Osborne investigated for fraud, after he paid mortgage interest on a paddock with taxpayers’ money, claiming it was an allowable expense on property he needed to perform his duties as an MP – and then sold it off in a package with other land and a neighbouring farmhouse for around £1 million and pocketed the cash.

Apparently it was already under investigation, according to the policewoman who called at the end of last year. Have you heard anything about it since?

Perhaps it was one of the fraud matters that got lost by computer error.

And what about Iain Duncan Smith’s habitual offence of lying to Parliament? He has done this so many times that nobody can say it is unintentional, and he has never apologised for the factual inaccuracies. This is an offence of Contempt of Parliament and according to convention he should have been ejected from the House of Commons months ago and a by-election called for his seat.

If the Conservatives can’t keep their own house clean, why isn’t Labour demanding action on these matters?

https://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2013/11/03/tory-crime-allegations-why-stop-with-shapps/

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