Maggie is Dead.

(354 Posts)
Talkinpeace Mon 08-Apr-13 12:55:50

at last.

ttosca Mon 08-Apr-13 14:41:51

> Is it a full state funeral? Wasn't it described as a celebratory funeral with military honours? Is that different from a state funeral?

I don't see how it is any different.

I think arguing about this misses the point: that Thatcher should not have any sort of state-funded ceremony or funeral in her name. It should be an entirely private affair.

tiggytape Mon 08-Apr-13 14:45:43

It was all decided long ago - under Labour.

TimberTot Mon 08-Apr-13 14:46:04

I wish people with mining connections would apply a misogyny filter when waving the banner of their parent's views of Maggie.

Let's be honest mining communities were......

a) on the whole, not a highly educated sector of the population (will get flamed for that statement for sure)

b) again, on the whole, behind the times with women's rights

Maggie was well spoken, educated and female, so would have been an unpopular prime minister anyway. From what I saw (working in bars to pay my way as a student) miners didn't sit in their welfare & social clubs discussing economics and bigging up their missus' careers or rushing home to get involved in childcare etc.

She had the vision to not shirk from having to carry out the naturally unpopular modernisation of labour practices in some very unionised sectors of the economy. SHE HAD BALLS - GREAT BIG ONES and the undeniable collateral damage of this was that the availability of a reasonably well paid job role (because of the risks and unpleasant working conditions) that didn't require school type qualifications disappeared. The individuals were fighting for a way of making a living that would simply not be available to them if they "lost the fight" and who wouldn't challenge such a possibility very strongly ?

She was however just the person who had the balls to do it at the time when male politicians shied away from such a poisoned chalice.

I could say lots more having lived in a large city where miners demonstrations took place and seen the amount frittered away on beer and the crude behaviour towards women in general.

I'm not saying she was a genius or saint or anything like that but FFS take the blinkers off about the mining situation in this country at that time and the unions in general. I mostly support unions as they are now but yet again there are still would-be leaders involved who treat them like their own little fiefdom and love the power they wield.

snowballschanceineaster Mon 08-Apr-13 14:50:59

I never liked the woman when she was alive. Not gonna be two faced about it now. So many people say lovely things about people after they've died. If they were old buggers, they were old buggers and she was one of the worst.

I don't think we should be paying loads of money to pay for a huge ceremonial funeral for her. Let her family and friends grieve her loss. I'll be glad when all the fuss is over and we can get back to the every day fight to survive without having this woman's 'greatness' thrust down our throats on every piece of media available. Thank God we are currently watching videos back to back.

flatpackhamster Mon 08-Apr-13 14:57:00

Really good article on The Commentator about the myths around Maggie destroying the coal and steel industry.

There are some long words, and some facts and figures and even a graph, so Guardian readers are advised to sit down before they try to read it.

Thewhingingdefective Mon 08-Apr-13 15:01:10

I am sickened by the number of my friends' FB statuses in support of her. I am delighted she is gone.

sjupes Mon 08-Apr-13 15:01:29

Dp told me this 20 mins ago my first thoughts were not of yey/aw but more wondering if they ever decided she was important enough to stop programmes to announce her death like they do for major royals also whether the fancy funeral was ever granted.

I was born late 80's so missed her rule but i know that 30 years later there is still major divide over her.

niceguy2 Mon 08-Apr-13 15:14:52

She did what had to be done.

Exactly. And that's why a lot of people hated her. They didn't like the fact she did what was necessary. They'd have rather she left Britain a laughing stock of the world, winter of discontent, going cap in hand to the IMF and Falklands back to Argentina.

niceguy2 Mon 08-Apr-13 15:18:15

Good article FPH

Talkinpeace Mon 08-Apr-13 15:35:12

Its the lost generation I can never EVER forgive her for.
And that is the part that even magazines like the Economist warn today's politicians never to repeat.

I remember the three day week. The Unions and freeing up of the UKs economy needed doing, but she was to willing to leave people on scrapheaps.

She also forgot that other working mums did not have multi-millionarire husbands and invisible nannies : hence why the Tories are yet to have strong female politicians in her wake.

telsa Mon 08-Apr-13 16:58:00

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niceguy2 Mon 08-Apr-13 17:01:19

As the article which FPH posted shows, the reality was that she tried for a while to improve things before bowing to the inevitable.

I think she needs to be judged on what the country was like when she became PM and what it was like when she left. And I think whether you measure that on economic output or standard of living, you cannot fail but agree that she left the UK in a much stronger position than when she arrived.

Did everyone agree with her policies? No. Of course not. But at least you knew where you stood. Nowadays you can't trust politician's at all. They say one thing and renege on it moments later. Student fees anyone? And that was just the lib dems!

Viviennemary Mon 08-Apr-13 17:02:21

She was a formidable person. It was kind of amusing when she had grown men quivering in their boots. I bet Dennis didn't refuse to do the washing up! But I didn't agree with a lot she did. And don't agree with her having a ceremonial funeral. It's not state but much the same thing or so it said on TV.

twofingerstoGideon Mon 08-Apr-13 17:02:30

There are some long words, and some facts and figures and even a graph, so Guardian readers are advised to sit down before they try to read it.
Patronising fuckwittery.

Goldmandra Mon 08-Apr-13 17:23:21

And don't agree with her having a ceremonial funeral. It's not state but much the same thing or so it said on TV.

If it's virtually indistinguishable from a state funeral it is going to cost the taxpayer a huge amount of money. When one considers her attitude to the taxpayer providing for others that would seem very wrong to me.

telsa Mon 08-Apr-13 17:34:13

Good riddance. And I am not alone. At 17:02 this was tweeted:

Tony Gallagher Daily Telegraph editor tweets: We have closed comments on every #Thatcher story today - even our address to email tributes is filled with abuse

claig Mon 08-Apr-13 17:56:53

They should leave all the comments section open, so that the decent people of this country can see the reality of some of these hate-filled progressives.

claig Mon 08-Apr-13 17:58:56

The Daily Mail has got an article on Galloway and some of teh left's reactions. Read it and see what lies beneath the progressive veil.

lemonmuffin Mon 08-Apr-13 18:25:06

Good point Claig.

Is anyone else just waiting for ttosca to turn up?!

Darkesteyes Mon 08-Apr-13 18:34:23

Im nearly 40 and i remember her minion Peter Lilley (under her leadership and bidding) making a very mysogynistic speech about single mothers only just stopping short of saying they should have kept their legs closed.
It was vile vile vile. She was NO feminist

flatpackhamster Mon 08-Apr-13 18:52:05

twofingerstoGideon

Patronising fuckwittery.

Was some cwuel perthon nathty to der wovely weft wingers, was they?

Diddums.

hackmum Mon 08-Apr-13 19:09:45

"It's days like this that reveal the truth about the Left and that their portrayal of themselves as lovely, decent caring people is exposed for the sham it really is."

For someone as sweet-natured, kind and caring as you, flatpack, with your thoughtful political analyses and your limitless compassion for the less fortunate, it must come as a terrible shock to have to deal with these nasty lefties. Perhaps you should have a lie down?

2old2beamum Mon 08-Apr-13 19:16:57

Hackman beautifully put smile
Maggie RIP grin

2old2beamum Mon 08-Apr-13 19:18:39

Sorry hackmum got your name wrong too much smirking

flatpackhamster Mon 08-Apr-13 19:19:58

hackmum

For someone as sweet-natured, kind and caring as you, flatpack, with your thoughtful political analyses and your limitless compassion for the less fortunate, it must come as a terrible shock to have to deal with these nasty lefties. Perhaps you should have a lie down?

I don't pretend that I'm a lovely, kind caring person. That's the difference. I know I'm a mixture of bad and good and I know that the politics I espouse would make some people happy and others unhappy. Compassion never paid down the national debt.

There's a really fine article in today's Telegraph by Brendan O'Neill where he suggests that the reason the Left is so angry is that they are unable to do anything but rage, because they have no political power left. I think he's right. How many mainstream parties articulate a socialist stance? Not one.

Thatcher herself once said “I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.” And she's right, isn't she? The torrent of hate is because the Left is destroyed. That's her legacy and one of which she can rightly be proud.

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