Very sorry to hear Bradley Wiggins knocked off his bike

(29 Posts)
BeatTheClock Thu 08-Nov-12 12:13:37

Hope he mends soon. Poor old Bradleysad

Delalakis Mon 12-Nov-12 23:40:56

Bureni, it's been fully established that he did have lights. He was using the road entirely legally. Why are you so bitter about him? What has he ever done to hurt you?

ivykaty44 Sat 10-Nov-12 13:52:49

drjohnsonscat - BW support vehicle was behind him, so she would have also been able to calculate the vehicle behinds speed if this is what she does, and that she got her calculation wrong on the vehicle as well as on the mtb

Think there is bait on this thread which is best ignored grin

Solopower1 Sat 10-Nov-12 11:18:59

I don't understand why some people hate cyclists.

And another thing. When I am driving, I feel the onus is on me to do it safely, ie by checking that there are no obstructions in my way. Obstructions, eg trees, flying debris, animals, pedestrians, other motorists and cyclists. So it doesn't actually matter what they are wearing or whether they have lights - although clearly anyone who wants to live would make sure they are as visible as they can be.

If you think it is the duty of cyclists to light themselves up so that motorists can see them, then shouldn't all pedestrians also wear reflective clothing? Plus kids, dogs, etc. They all have to cross the road at some point.

In Berlin, cyclists don't wear helmets; loads of people of all ages cycle and it is very safe for everyone.

lljkk Sat 10-Nov-12 09:55:25

I don't think the police would charge the driver if BW was at fault. The driver has made it clear she didn't see him at all, the police obviously think she should have seen him, he was easy enough to see.

DH has had cars pull out in front of him, he got compensation subsequently so pretty clear who was at fault. He cycles at about 20 mph when cruising, faster when putting in an effort. As a driver, I have pulled in front of mopeds before, entirely my fault. Take it on the chin.

CaseyShraeger Sat 10-Nov-12 08:42:21

Is that your way of saying that you don't have any evidence to suggest that he didn't have lights, bureni? Because lots of people have asked you and you haven't answered them.

Thistledew Sat 10-Nov-12 02:08:12

Don't you know that there is just something wrong with anyone who chooses to exert themselves rather than sit on their arse in a car. It is not natural I tell you. They are all up to no good and we can't trust them at all to be reasonable law abiding citizens. We can be quite sure that each and every one of them is breaking some kind of law, or if they are not, the nasty, filthy habit should be illegal anyway so we might as well treat them all as criminals. It's just another example of broken Britain, the world gone mad, too much political correctness blah blah this day and age froth, froth. hmm

bureni Sat 10-Nov-12 01:28:08

apparently he can do no wrong since he won an insignificant little medal, but its alright to speed about with no lights in the dark, dont you just love the way there was so many police out to support this person yet the eye witness only "heard " things now. I hope the police take the same action against a " national hero" for his illegal use of the queens highway but then they are immune as always.

CaseyShraeger Sat 10-Nov-12 00:12:38

Also, she (allegedly) commented at the scene that she just hadn't seen him.

WrathdePan Fri 09-Nov-12 22:02:58

Well, no really dr. It was in the dark and he had a front light. So as with any lit up road user it's quite simple to guess the roughly the speed of an object and crucially if one has time to 'pull out' in front of it. (whether it's a TdF winner or not.)

drjohnsonscat Fri 09-Nov-12 21:46:55

I wonder if she made a calculation about his speed based on normal experience of bikes? Not that he was going too fast but he's probably twice as fast as the average cyclist. Just a possible factor.

ivykaty44 Fri 09-Nov-12 21:17:31

this is disturbing reading

I am not sure whether it makes me feel the car or King or life is cheap.

Ponders Fri 09-Nov-12 20:57:36

mmm, I was a bit hmm at the (allegedly) massive police presence within a very few minutes, ivykaty

if that happened every time a car knocked a cyclist over it might change the way some drivers behave

WrathdePan Fri 09-Nov-12 20:50:20

I'd guess it would depend on witnesses who were prepared to support the cyclist. Like any other RTA?

ivykaty44 Fri 09-Nov-12 20:41:40

Thing is though i wonder if a driver just pulling out on an unknown cyclist would have been charged with driving without due care and attention?

WrathdePan Fri 09-Nov-12 18:32:34

I see that the woman in the Astra who injured BW has been reported for driving without due care and attention. ( I presume pulling onto the road without looking properly.) Petrol station attendant who was first on the scene noted she saw flashing lights on his bike and he was still wearing his helmet.

WrathdePan Thu 08-Nov-12 23:02:53

bureni - can you say where you heard that BW wasn't riding with lights, or have you just made that up for your own wrong-headed reasons?

EchoBitch Thu 08-Nov-12 21:58:48
nipersvest Thu 08-Nov-12 21:53:38

i know the junction at that bp garage well, it's just down the road from where we used to live. it can get quite busy round there, the garage has entrances on 2 sides, plus there are side roads and also the m6 roundabout. when it's dark, visibility is low.

ivykaty44 Thu 08-Nov-12 21:48:09

I heard a rumour that it was an mner - is this true?

mummytime Thu 08-Nov-12 20:08:21

I hear he had a helmet, hi-vis jacket and lights!

BrittaPerry Thu 08-Nov-12 19:55:51

Maybe they should ban Chorley. :-D

(Person of Preston origin here...)

CaseyShraeger Thu 08-Nov-12 19:55:02

Do you have a source for your suggestion that he didn't have lights, bureni? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.

Aquelven Thu 08-Nov-12 19:51:31

It's a very busy spot where it happened, just a few yards from a roundabout that 's a major junction of the M6 & next to a big petrol station.

bureni Thu 08-Nov-12 19:34:17

I hope the police prosecute him for not having lights on his bike after lighting up time which is illegal and would make any road user difficult to see.

lalalonglegs Thu 08-Nov-12 19:25:35

Do you know what, I doubt it. I ride a bike a lot and I get fed up of having near collisions and people saying: "I didn't see you!" You didn't see me because you weren't bloody looking, I don't just materialise out of thin air - I've got hi-vis clothes, I've got lights, I don't weave in and out of traffic. I would bet any money that, as this woman was pulling out of a garage forecourt, she just glanced down the road and drove before she'd really registered what was there, if she looked at all.

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