Cease extradition of Mother's young son to USA. 'The Fight of Her Life' Julia O'Dwyer, Richard O'Dwyer.r

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Vesta2 Fri 20-Jan-12 12:59:12

Fellow Mum's please could you support this mother in her campaign to cease extradition of her young son to the USA. Please visit her blog juliasblog-the-fight-of-our-lives.blogspot.com/og. Thankyou

ChitChatInChaos Sat 21-Jan-12 09:31:05

He made quite a lot of money by encouraging people to illegally download movies. It's only 'doubtful' that it's not against the law in the UK, not something which is clearly legal - an entirely different proposition.

While I myself don't like the US extradition laws, I can't say I have all that much sympathy for someone who deliberately worked on the edges of what is 'legal'.

CogitoErgoSometimes Sat 21-Jan-12 09:45:28

The extradition rules between the UK and US are uneven and need addressing. Having said that, it's pathetic that a grown man (and 23 is an adult) gets Mummy to fight his battles for him. He was quite happy to take the profits from his website, knowing the risks. He should be big enough to fight the extradition himself.

oh, yes, what Cogito said, great post

I've got a PM too. Apparently under 25 is young. As somebody who had two children to be responsible for by the time she was 25 you will understand, OP, that I'm not buying that argument.

OP, as others have said, please don't PM folk, let's have your views aired in public, on here, thank you

Of course 23 is not a young mayan, my DH had a full time job and a mortgage to service at that age, 450 miles away from his home town <teeny tiny violin plays>

annh Sat 21-Jan-12 11:22:00

Given that the age of criminal responsibility in this country is 10, I'd say 25 is a long way from being young in the eyes of the law. I'd like to know where that opinion comes from. If the mother really wants to help his case, she needs to make the blog less emotive and more factual.

differentnameforthis Sat 21-Jan-12 11:27:46

23 is NOT young. When you said young I was thinking under 18!

SoupDragon I also have had an arsey pm! Am reporting!

blackoutthesun Sat 21-Jan-12 11:49:13

the uk and the us have a treaty

he made money from something which he shouldn't have done and at 23 years he is old enough to know better

PaintedToenails Sat 21-Jan-12 12:08:13

I agree with most of the posters. 23 is by no means too young to know better. Many people have responsible jobs, homes, mortgages and children by that age.
The US have been cracking down (or trying to) massively on online piracy in the last few years, it's well known and if he still ran a website that 'acted as a google search engine for links to piracy websites' then he must have known the risks and judged them worth taking. Makes no odds that his site didn't actually host any pirated material.

He strikes me as an arrogant individual who, now the shit's hit the fan, has to get Mummy to fight his corner. The US has every right to extradite him and the UK seems to agree. His mother's claim that the extradition order was only upheld by the court because the judge didn't have the technical knowledge to properly understand the case is hugely arrogant in it's self.

And don't pull the whole 'he didn't know this was a crime in the US' shite. Ignorance is no defence.

ThatVikRinA22 Sat 21-Jan-12 12:24:13

i cant actually find the blog in that link - so cant quite understand whats going on.

i dont agree with the us extradition laws and also feel they need to be looked at - and in the case of gary mckinnon and his mum i have much sympathy given that he has aspergers, but im not sure what the story on this fella is and i cant find the blog.

spenditwisely Sat 21-Jan-12 12:28:11
ThatVikRinA22 Sat 21-Jan-12 12:51:17

the link is working but i cannot make head nor tail of what is actually going on? what is this young mans story?

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 15:35:01

northerlurker, soupdragon, bluebirdpies, tyson86,boysarelikedogs please feel free to report PM's, you all know they say exactly the same as what is in the reply's here, especially as they were but copied and pasted, you also know they are not insulting, offensive or contain swearing.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 15:41:07

VicarInaTutu.
It is the story of a mother's fight to stop her 23 year old son being extradited to the USA for allegedly posting links on a website to films, (just normal films). The alleged offense is not illegal in the UK. In the USA the offense carries a sentence of up to 10 years.

ThatVikRinA22 Sat 21-Jan-12 15:46:16

i gathered but i cannot read the facts or their story - the website needs to be much clearer on exactly what has happened.

Why are the US trying to extradite him then? has he been pirating stuff? still dont get it....

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 15:49:04

Paintedtoenails.
I am assuming you are aware that ex Duchess of York, Sarah Ferguson is also wanted for extradition to Turkey for the undercover filming of children in their country, which is an offense in Turkey, one might also think that Sarah Ferguson was in a position to know better, however sources close to the Homeoffice say she will not be extradited as the alleged offense is not illegal in the UK, I personally have no desire to see Sarah Ferguson extradited to Turket where the offense carries a sentence of 22 years, and I also feel that the home office must apply the same process to the case of Richard O'Dwyer.
I'd be interested to know your thoughts on this, if indeed you have any.

reelingintheyears Sat 21-Jan-12 15:53:03

Sarah Ferguson did something in Turkey that is not illegal in the UK and she's not being extradited even though Turkey have requested it.

Why do the US get to be the worlds Policemen.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 15:53:28

He is not a minor. Age is taken into consideration in law, and under 25 is considered young.

reelingintheyears Sat 21-Jan-12 15:55:16

Sorry,didn't see your post vesta.

I also have no desire to see Sarah Ferguson sent to Turkey but the same rules should surely apply to Richard O'Dwyer.

ThatVikRinA22 Sat 21-Jan-12 15:58:50

agree the rules should be the rules, not one for someone of high profile and one for a nobody.

what exactly did he do?

animula Sat 21-Jan-12 15:59:25

I think the inequality of the extradition treaty between the US and the UK is something we should be petitioning our MPs about, generally, not just in this instance.

Isn't Avaaz organising dissemination of a campaign about that? Maybe a link to that might be a good idea?

(Vesta2 - the PM-ing thing is just going to distract from what is a very serious issue. It doesn't go down well on mn - for good reasons.)

horsetowater Sat 21-Jan-12 16:02:47
Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 16:05:16

soupdragon. Thankyou for hiding this thread from your view and for not sharing anymore of your views here. It is a blessing.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 16:08:19

chitchatinchaos am assuming you are aware that ex Duchess of York, Sarah Ferguson is also wanted for extradition to Turkey for the undercover filming of children in their country, which is an offense in Turkey, one might also think that Sarah Ferguson was in a position to know better, however sources close to the Homeoffice say she will not be extradited as the alleged offense is not illegal in the UK, I personally have no desire to see Sarah Ferguson extradited to Turket where the offense carries a sentence of 22 years, and I also feel that the home office must apply the same process to the case of Richard O'Dwyer.
I'd be interested to know your thoughts on this, if indeed you have any.

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