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MMR on Dispatches

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tinyganghq · 14/11/2004 13:24

Channel 4 9pm Thursday, a programme (another one!) about MMR. That's it really, just thought it might be of interest to some.

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Jimjams · 14/11/2004 13:26

I keep posting this- s apologies for posting it again.

The dispatches programme won't be reliable!. it is by Brian Deer who has stated publically that he intends to discredit Andy Wakefiled (has a bit of a vendetta against him). This was Wakefiled's reponse after the last hatchet job on him:

"Serious allegations have been made against me and my colleagues in relation to the provision of clinical care for children with autism and bowel disease, and the subsequent reporting of their disease.
These allegations have been made by journalist Brian Deer who has expressed, in front of witnesses, his aim of destroying me.
All but one of the allegations, which are grossly defamatory, have been shown to be baseless. One allegation remains against me personally.
That is, that I did not disclose to the Lancet that a minority of the 12 children in the 1998 Lancet report were also part of a quite separate study that was funded in part by the Legal Aid Board.
It is the Lancet's opinion but not mine that such a disclosure should have been made since it may have been perceived as a conflict of interest. This is despite that fact that the funding was provided for a separate scientific study.
It needs to be made clear that the funds from the Legal Aid Board were not used for the 1998 Lancet study, and therefore I perceived that no financial conflict of interest existed.
The Lancet defines a conflict of interest as anything that might embarrass the author if it were to be revealed later. I am not embarrassed since it is a matter of fact that there was no conflict of interest. I am, however, dismayed at the way these facts have been misrepresented.
Whether or not the children's parents were pursuing, or intended to pursue litigation against the vaccine manufacturers, had no bearing on any clinical decision in relation to these children, or their inclusion in the Lancet 1998 report.
It is a matter of fact that there was no conflict of interest at any time in relation to the medical referral of these children, their clinical investigation and care, and the subsequent reporting of their disease in the Lancet.
As far as the 1998 Lancet report is concerned, it is a matter of fact that we found and reported inflammation in the intestines of these children.
The grant of £55,000 was paid not to me but to the Royal Free Hospital Special Trustees for my research group to conduct studies on behalf of the Legal Aid Board. These research funds were properly administered through the Royal Free Hospital Special Trustees.
The Legal Aid research grant to my group was used exclusively for the purpose of conducting an examination of any possible connection between the component viruses of the MMR - particularly measles virus - and the bowel disease in these children. This is entirely in line with other studies that have been funded by the Legal Aid Board (latterly the Legal Services Commission) and reported in the BMJ . If and when this work is finally published, due acknowledgment will be made of all sources of funding.
It is unfortunate that, following full disclosure of these facts to the editor of the Lancet, he stated that in retrospect he would not have published facts pertinent to the parent's perceived association with MMR vaccine in the 1998 Lancet report. Such a position has major implications for the scientific investigation of injuries that might be caused by drugs or vaccines, such as Gulf War Syndrome and autism, where possible victims may be seeking medical help and also legal redress.
Health Secretary John Reid has called for a public enquiry. I welcome this since I have already called for a public enquiry that addresses the whole issue in relation vaccines and autism.
It has been proposed that my role in this matter should be investigated by the General Medical Council (GMC). I not only welcome this, I insist on it and I will be making contact with the GMC personally, in the forthcoming week.
This whole unpleasant episode has been conflated to provide those opposed to addressing genuine concerns about vaccine safety with an opportunity of attacking me - an attack that is out of all proportion to the facts of the matter.
I stand by everything that I have done in relation to the care, investigation and reporting of the disease that I and my colleagues have discovered in these desperately ill children.
My family and I have suffered many setbacks as a direct consequence of this work. As a family, we consider that our problems are nothing compared with the suffering of these children and their families. For the sake of these children, this work will continue."

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Gobbledigook · 14/11/2004 13:26

Thanks - will watch with interest although I'm sure it will be massively biased one way or another!

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tinyganghq · 14/11/2004 13:35

Oh sorry Jimjams, I didn't realise Brian Deer was only out to discredit Wakefield. An unbiased programme would be nice but hey ho, will watch anyway..

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Jimjams · 14/11/2004 13:37

tinyganghq- tell me what it says- I can't watch I have to keep my blood pressure down... Now where's MadDrFitzpatrick gone??

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MadDrFitzpatrick · 14/11/2004 13:39

I'm here!

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MadDrFitzpatrick · 14/11/2004 13:43

Sorry, Jimjams. I couldn't resist!

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Jimjams · 14/11/2004 16:57

Ah there you are MadDrFitzpatrick. Glad to see you around. Wish I knew who you were you really cheered my up last night!

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MadDrFitzpatrick · 14/11/2004 18:22

Glad to be of assistance.

Well, I'm usually on the SN board. I stalk MrsF regularly, and I have a name that reminds people of a certain brand of battery.



Can you tell who it is yet?

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Davros · 14/11/2004 18:41

Ha yes! I was wondering too and gave me a good laugh maddrfitzpatrick

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Jimjams · 14/11/2004 19:59

Aha! Very good- and thank you again! I'll smile (rather than throw a boot at the TV) every time I see the good MadDrFitzpatrick now.

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coppertop · 14/11/2004 20:23
Grin
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Jimjams · 18/11/2004 13:26

Just receieved this:

A statement by Dr Andrew Wakefield

The Sunday Times and the Dispatches programme of 18th November raise a
number of issues in relation to MMR, autism and events at the Royal Free
Hospital. Since many of the claims by journalist Brian Deer have been
demonstrably false and there in no objectivity in the manner of their
intended portrayal, I declined to participate in any way in the making of
the Dispatches programme. In addition, vulnerable parents have complained of
being "tricked" into participating in the programme. I was not invited to
comment on the Sunday Times article prior to its publication.
The claim appears to be that, whilst at the Royal Free
Hospital, I was developing a new vaccine to compete with MMR and that I
conspired to undermine confidence in MMR vaccine in order to promote this
new vaccine, and that this represented a conflict of interest. This is
untrue. The facts are that: no vaccine or anything resembling a vaccine was
ever designed, developed or tested by me or by any of my colleagues at the
Royal Free Hospital; it has never been my aim or intention to design,
produce or promote a vaccine to compete with MMR; my genuine concerns about
the safety of MMR are wholly unrelated to any desire or opportunity to
develop a competing vaccine; there was no conspiracy as insinuated by the
Sunday Times article; there was no conflict or interest, actual or
perceived.
In contrast, it was our intention, at one stage, to conduct a formal
therapeutic clinical trial of a compound that might have the ability to
promote the body‚s immune response to measles in order to assess the effects
of this therapy upon the disease in children with regressive autism and
bowel disease. This compound is known as Transfer Factor and whilst there is
a large scientific literature on this subject, the nature and mechanism of
action of Transfer Factors are largely unknown.
The Transfer Factor that was intended for use in the trial was to be
against measles virus. I have urged and continue to urge parents to have
their children vaccinated against measles using the current vaccines. This
would be in direct conflict with the intentions that are part of the claim
that I was developing a new vaccine to bring onto the market. Whether a
Transfer Factor could ever protect children against measles is entirely
speculative and is something that was never studied or pursued by me or any
of my colleagues.
The Channel 4 programme implies commercial aspirations for personal
gain. In fact, the aim of the patent was to generate funding for the
research programme and a new Centre for Gastroenterology at the Royal Free
Hospital. This can be substantiated by contemporaneous documentation.
The patent application was motivated by two main factors. First, it
was felt that there may be difficulty in raising traditional grant funding
for cutting edge, controversial work that was vulnerable by virtue of the
fact that it might conflict with perceived wisdom and the commercial
interests of others. Secondly, there was, and is, a government-led emphasis
on commercial exploitation of discoveries within the medical school.

The full response of Andrew Wakefield is at this new website below.
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MMR: the Questions

www.mmrthequestions.com

MMR: the Questions is brought to you by a group of scientists, other
professionals and parents who believe that there is sufficient evidence to
warrant further research into the issue of whether exposure to measles
containing vaccine increases subsequent risk of a range of developmental
disorders and / or gastro-intestinal problems.
The purpose of the site is to provide

· Access to relevant scientific materials
· Links to other sites of interest
· A distribution medium for relevant information.

This website also provides a means for scientists to respond in the
public domain to any perceived misrepresentations of their work, their
motivations and their professional integrity.

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Heathcliffscathy · 18/11/2004 13:50

oh ffs, why won't they leave him alone!!!!!!!!!! argh

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prefernot · 18/11/2004 14:09

I just HATE it that they're going to show this programme. I wish there was something we could do to sabotage it.

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lockets · 18/11/2004 14:42

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Marina · 18/11/2004 15:03

They really are out to get him, aren't they
Thanks for posting this Jimjams.

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Marina · 18/11/2004 15:04

They really are out to get him, aren't they
Thanks for posting this Jimjams.

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Marina · 18/11/2004 15:04

So fed up I posted twice

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prefernot · 18/11/2004 21:00

So ... it's about to start. I've already seen it at work (had to research it) so I know exactly what it's going to do and the kinds of arguments it's going to support. Really truthfully though it didn't change my opinions at all. I'm still totally against the triple jab.

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dinny · 18/11/2004 21:32

What a load of crap this programme so far. Ooh, Wakefield is the bogeyman trying to make himself pots of cash. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Thanks for posting Wakefield's statement, Jimjams.

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velcrobott · 18/11/2004 21:33

Pathetic.... thanks Jimjams...
DH did a internet search and found many forums talking just like us !

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dinny · 18/11/2004 21:38

How heavily edited is Chadwick interview????

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doobydoo · 18/11/2004 21:38

Thanks JimJams
But why does Deer want to discredit Wakefield.
I did not know any of this but as soon as i started watching the prog i felt deer was odd.Then i thought i would log on to mn to see wots occuring!

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velcrobott · 18/11/2004 21:39

From his website..
You can email Brian Deer at:
[email protected]
It's that easy!


 

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doobydoo · 18/11/2004 21:41

Whhyyyyy does Deer want to dicredit Wakefield?
Please someone let me know.....

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