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Geographical Tongues anonymous

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popsycal · 19/05/2004 20:50

after starting this thread, and several MNers having the same, thought i would see just how common it is!

So come on then - put your hand up if you have it

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SoupDragon · 19/05/2004 20:51

No!

You're all weird! Weird I tell you!

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moominmama86 · 19/05/2004 20:55

Not me!

But ds does...

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popsycal · 19/05/2004 20:57

honest!
it is a real thing!!
lol

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popsycal · 19/05/2004 20:58

When i told DH, his comment was 'Does that mean your tongue has been everywhere then?'

hmmm

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highlander · 19/05/2004 22:53

crikey, I have it! I always wondered what it was and briefly mentioned it to my GP about 10 years ago - he didn't have a clue but didn't seem worried!

The description in that link is bang on - sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. How bizarre

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essbee · 19/05/2004 22:57

Message withdrawn

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libb · 19/05/2004 23:09

I have it too - it came during pregnancy - when does it go?

Not that it matters much now baby is here . . . .

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expatkat · 20/05/2004 07:42

Mine came during pregnancy, too, Libb. 2 years ago. I'm afraid it never goes away--or at least not usually.

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Fio2 · 20/05/2004 07:45

I have it but it okay atm. It started when I was in my late teens and was loads worse when I ate tomatoes and stuff, infact sometimes I couldnt finish what I eating. It seems to have been alot better over the last few years. My Gran had it too, they used to give her vitamin B injections as she was deficient in it.

Popsy - how do I get my browser to work properly so I can open links? I know you said you had the same prob, sorry bit off subject!

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Ghosty · 20/05/2004 08:03

I have it ... have had for a long time ... didn't know what it was though ... thanks popsy!
It comes and goes ... flares up when I eat a lot of tomatoes and for some odd reason, celery (my tongue goes numb when I eat raw celery ... )
I noticed the other day that DS had it too ...

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florenceuk · 20/05/2004 16:46

DH gets this and it is incredibly painful - all the skin falls off his tongue. Looks revolting! It does eventually heal up, but not sure what makes it recur.

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popsycal · 20/05/2004 19:47

fio - contact me via mumsnet and I will try to help you out if i can!

my bloods all came back clear
yippppeeeeeee

am going to make an appointment with gp next week to ask about geogrpahical tongue!

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Twinkie · 21/05/2004 10:49

Both I and DD have it as did my mother when she was alive!!

You would not believe the amount of times I have had 'Euuurrrggghhh hat's wrong with your tongue!!' - although I was just as stupid taking DD to the doctors and being insistent that she must have thrush in her mouth until he gave me a mirror and saidto me thats what it looks like - stick your tongue out!!

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popsycal · 26/05/2004 11:15

been back to docs today for a totally different thing (am sick of being sick) and I mentioned geographic tongue that a 'GP friend of mine' (pmsl) had suggested. He asked me what the symptoms were as he had never seen a case of it before!!! He is normally a fab GP - hmmmmmm. He checked out his computer and looked at my tongue and asked if I wanted to swap jobs! Until I told him what I did! LOL

So there you go folks!

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expatkat · 26/05/2004 11:18

My GP also hadn't heard of it. He saw the lesions, looked at them for ages, and then referred me on to a specialist. You can imagine I was pretty panicked by the time I saw someone. Although this thread would indicate otherwise, apparently geographic tongue is fairly uncommon.

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popsycal · 26/05/2004 11:26

the link i posted earlier suggests it is quite common!

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popsycal · 26/05/2004 11:28

here is the page!

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popsycal · 26/05/2004 11:28

Geographic tongue is a marvelous, descriptive name for one of the most common medical conditions of the tongue. Parents usually are the ones to notice several large, red, slightly depressed, unusually smooth patches on the surface of their child's tongue -- when nothing was there hours before. Often the red areas are bordered with distinct white bands. The sharp borders of these irregularly shaped lesions give the surface of the tongue the appearance of a map, perhaps a map of a group of uncharted islands. The rather dramatic appearance of geographic tongue looks to many like a burn, or like some kind of nasty infection.

How many parents must puzzle over geographic tongue? The exact prevalence varies widely from study to study, but at any given time, somewhere between 0.1 percent and 14.3 percent of otherwise healthy people have it. It has been found to be present in about 0.6 percent of Americans (Community Dental and Oral Epidemiology Aug 1994), about four percent of healthy Iraqi schoolchildren (Community Dental and Oral Epidemiology Aug 1982), and about 2 percent of young Finns (Oral Surgery, Oral Medicine, and Oral Pathology, Feb 1982).

The healthy tongue is a mass of muscle fibers covered by a mucous membrane. On the underside of the tongue, the mucous membrane is smooth. On the upper side, the tongue is covered with many tiny protrusions called papillae. These papillae come in four types with different shapes. Three of these types contain taste buds; the fourth does not. This fourth type are called filiform papillae, and they are packed tightly together over the entire upper surface of the tongue.

For some reason, medical conditions of the tongue often have picturesque names (such as "black hairy tongue" or "scrotal tongue". Most of these conditions are abnormalities of the papillae, of one type or another. In geographic tongue, the filiform papillae are missing in the reddish areas and are overcrowded in the gray-white borders.

We still do not know exactly what causes geographic tongue, but we do know that it strongly tends to run in families (Oral Surgery, Oral Medicine, and Oral Pathology, Nov 1976). Geographic tongue has polygenic inheritance -- it is associated with several different genes. We also know that it is associated with a number of other genetic medical conditions.

It has been most closely linked to psoriasis, and is notably more common in those who have psoriasis (British Journal of Dermatology, Sep 1996). The two conditions have been linked to the same gene and are probably produced in the same manner; nevertheless the great majority of those with geographic tongue do not go on to develop psoriasis.

Geographic tongue is also significantly more common in people who are sensitive to the environment -- those with allergies, eczema, and/or asthma (Oral Surgery, Oral Medicine, and Oral Pathology, Aug 1984).

It is also four times more common in those with diabetes (Oral Surgery, Oral Medicine, and Oral Pathology, Jan 1987). But a great many conditions are more common in those with diabetes, and geographic tongue has never been noted as an early warning of diabetes.

In young women with geographic tongue who are also taking oral contraceptives, the geographic tongue is worst on day 17 of the cycle (British Dental Journal, Aug 1991). This suggests that hormone levels probably play a role. Perhaps there is even some truth to the unproven belief that stress can trigger geographic tongue.

Weaker links have been reported to anemia, seborrhea, and eating spicy foods.

Most people with geographic tongue are otherwise healthy. The condition is usually entirely painless. While it can produce a burning sensation in the mouth, this is very rare in children. If there is any pain or burning, this usually can be successfully controlled with antihistamines (Pediatric Dentistry, Nov 1992).

There is no loss of the sense of taste (hurrah for the glorious sense of taste!), nor is there any loss of the dexterity of the tongue. There is, however, a measurable decrease in the tongue's sense of touch. This was studied by carefully assessing response to mechanical vibration (Journal of Laryngology and Otology, Mar 1984).

Geographic tongue's rather spectacular appearance in the mouth has frequently caused parents to worry. In the years since 1955, when the condition was first described (Journal of the American Dental Association, Sep 1987), several treatments have been tried for geographic tongue. Topical Retin-A was the most successful (Cutis Aug 1979). No treatment is currently recommended, however, for this benign, self-limited condition.

Geographic tongue heals spontaneously. The individual lesions often heal at the same time new ones are forming, changing the appearance of the tongue over hours or days. This gives rise to the appearance that the map is migrating across the face of the tongue. Thus, geographic tongue is also called benign migratory glossitis. Although benign, this condition may last for months or even longer and often recurs.

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popsycal · 26/05/2004 11:28

ooops - didnt mean to do that!!!
sorry

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popsycal · 26/05/2004 11:30

erm i didnt put that smiley in!!

but somehow it does seem rather appropriate!!!
pmsl!!!

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popsycal · 26/05/2004 11:41

just found this - may be helpful!

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juniper68 · 26/05/2004 13:43

I believe you popsycal

DS2 has this but it's a lot better now.

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juniper68 · 26/05/2004 13:47

He was treated by a homeopath BTW

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maomao · 26/05/2004 13:51

LOL popsy!

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popsycal · 26/05/2004 13:54

juniper - what did the homeopath prescribe??

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