5:2 Diet Thread! 14 threads in a stone?

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GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 28-Feb-13 10:18:18

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- we won't bite. Well, maybe on a fast day. wink You'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

B&W has found a new link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here. If you're keen to see it, watch it soon, because BBC has been quick to find these copies and shut them down online. We're hoping they'll re-play it again soon. I know these threads are popular, maybe they'll read my request. wink

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 28-Feb-13 10:21:44

I was going to title it "where we wait patiently for Ezzza to return", but I didn't want to put too much pressure on her. wink (but.. we are waiting!)

catsrus Thu 28-Feb-13 10:42:54

yes - where is Ezzza? I suspect it's an internet access issue. Wow am I first on the thread ? grin

PrincessUnderpaid Thu 28-Feb-13 10:48:23

checking back in on my 2nd fastday, my lovely (grrr!) colleagues have brought in cookies, doughnuts, celebrations and caramel shortbread but I am determined not to cave in.

countryhousehotel Thu 28-Feb-13 11:09:25

I've just had the most delicious soft-boiled egg and steamed asparagus that I've ever eaten. Yes, it's a fast day grin.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 28-Feb-13 11:09:41

greeneggs thanks on the ball as usual!

I've still not managed to get under 11.3 stone but had lovely comments today at school from people that haven't seen me for ages including the head! So really chuffed, you never know we may have some more converts soon....

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 28-Feb-13 11:10:18

Meant 11.2 stone - that lb makes all the difference!

ErikNorseman Thu 28-Feb-13 11:10:51

Hi folks...
Carrying on from my last whinge posts...I think I have a fear that if I don't eat loads on my eating day I'll be too hungry on fast days. I have they attitude left over from fasting for Ramadan where you really do need to try to pack in enough calories to keep you going as it's a very long fasting day (til 9pm) and a small eating window. I must get that idea out of my head. I'm working on it - today had toast for breakfast, but I have homemade soup and 2 small rolls for lunch (carb heavy but calorie light, and I'm veggie so never going to escape being carb heavy really) and I won't snack. Dinner at my bros will be tasty and healthy as his partner is a health conscious type and as I have to drive I won't drink. I chose to get off the bus early and walked earlier. I wish I took public transport more but it's impossible where I live, and I need my car for work. Car is in for mot and I'm going to lose loads of pounds from my pocket if not my arse sad

greenfig Thu 28-Feb-13 11:10:57

Oh countryhouse that's done it for me, I'm off to make some scrambled eggs! Fast day here too & I'm strugglingsad

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 28-Feb-13 11:12:20

I love soft boiled eggs & dipping asparagus instead of soldiers & it doesn't have to be a fast day either. Yum off to make some.

Talkinpeace Thu 28-Feb-13 11:18:07

ErikNorseman
I was thinking about the Ramadan issue while swimming this morning (I'm weird like that)
You do not need to pack in the calories before the fast.
You need to make sure you are fully hydrated in the pre dawn session - lots of water as well as coffee and fruit juice and maybe things like fruit and yoghurt.
Then at sunset have a BIG drink before you start eating. And stop when you are full.
And think how bloomin' hard it must be for Muslims in Scandinavia when Ramadan falls in the summer (sunrise at 3 am sunset at 11pm !!!)

Talkinpeace Thu 28-Feb-13 11:21:58

And the motto of this thread from me will be

NO SNACKING

NONE, ABSOLUTELY NONE

NO SNACKING EVER AGAIN

And wean the rest of your family off it if you can.
Kids need a good breakfast, then they last till lunch.
An after school snack ONLY if they are going to be active.
Certainly nothing on the way home from school (loathes parents feeding their kids sweets at the school gate)
And a good balanced supper
and maybe a glass of milk before bed.

Fizzy drinks should be treated in the same way as alcohol : in moderation and only at certain times
and
NO SNACKING

not that I'm opinionated mind

Dotty342kids Thu 28-Feb-13 11:29:19

countryhouse that's one of my favourite fast day lunches too, yummy!

Dotty342kids Thu 28-Feb-13 11:30:00

What was that again TIP? Not sure we quite understand wink

Daisy1407 Thu 28-Feb-13 11:37:25

Morning fellow 5:2 peeps
im on an eating day today and as there are free cupcakes at work - thank god its an eating day

Im off out for food tonight and craving a burger so i think thats what ill have - ive done my 2 fast days this week so lets see how i get on Monday - weigh day!

Good luck everyone x

Acinonyx Thu 28-Feb-13 11:39:54

Hi all - this is my 5th week on the 5: 2 diet. I'm losing weight very slowly though (2 lb in 4 weeks) and I wondered how other people are doing? I am 50 - and putting on more in the last couple of years and generally finding losing it much harder. sad

I'm very motivated - but had hoped it would be a bit quicker. Had great success with WW about 10 years ago pre-family but cannot organise that kind of diet now.

I generally have a 2-egg omelette or 150g cottage cheese at 12ish, a pear at 3ish, then a spicy chicken breast with vegetables at 6.

ErikNorseman Thu 28-Feb-13 11:39:58

Well TIP you need to make sure you are getting in 1000-1500 I reckon. Which in a 2 hour window is hard. I was setting my alarm for 3am in order to drink and eat but the eating was hard - nothing less appealing than eating when you are all bleary and half asleep. If you didn't get enough cals in over the evening it would be fine for a few days, but as Ramadan lasts a month I think it would impact on your energy levels after a while. But I do take your point, hydration is far more important. We always went straight for the drink before food, you do feel you need it more.

I am totally with you about the snacking. I must get out of that habit.

BsshBossh Thu 28-Feb-13 12:05:21

Fast day today. Will be offline quite a bit over the next week or so but will try and catch up with the thread when I can.

BsshBossh Thu 28-Feb-13 12:10:30

Forgot to say that I'm going to experiment in "clean eating" from no on - fast days or not. We eat mainly fresh, homecooked meals at home but if I feel peckish in between meals I still find myself buying crisps etc. So I've stocked up on hummous, multi-seed thins, olives, raw carrots and peppers, nuts etc. I'll try and reach for these when the urge to eat something snacky strikes sorry, I know snacks are a swear word on here now grin. Okay, must really knuckle down to some work now. Off I go...

artemis17 Thu 28-Feb-13 12:11:45

Still holding out despite the talk of food, only cos im at work with nothing to eat tho, have to say i really enjoy the tea substitues ie lemon, licquorice, green etc. Any other recommendations?...

Hmm snacking (healthy stuff) is sometimes the only way i can get my TDEE on eating days as my appetite has severaly reduced and find too many carbs at one time dont agree with me....

Slightly off topic, but is missing breakfast ok for teenagers, not in anyway dieting but "just not hungry"?.

Wishihadabs Thu 28-Feb-13 12:28:30

That's interesting TIPS the rule in this house is the dcs only get a soft drink when the adults are having alcohol. This is none at the moment (as lent). Weekends only the rest of the year.Sometimes it slips but never more than 3/7( except Xmas)

just pasting the post i put on old thread before realising we'd moved!

yay bvb ! i'm doing something right grin

i don't do formal exercise for weight loss because i know that for me personally it's not sustainable. i'm a single mum with very little time to myself and i work. there is no time slot where i could go running, go to the gym or go to classes. there's not really even a time slot where i could do an exercise dvd. if i artifically juggled my whole life to breaking point to fit these things in a) it would be breaking point (only 24hrs in a day) and b) i'd end up quitting.

anything i do needs to fit in my life and be sustainable. so the one thing i've done is never own a car and though the idea of a little moped keeps appealing in order to save a bit of time i stop myself because walking everywhere and doing that all of your life is actually hugely healthy and immensely good for your mental health imo.

haven't eaten yet and have been hulking furniture around and attacking the uncovered 'bleurgh' with the hoover. need to walk to the post office in a bit then home and more housework before school run.

stick with it everyone

Talkinpeace Thu 28-Feb-13 12:31:40

artemis17
DD has stopped eating breakfast on weekdays - but I insist that she either has half a pint of milk (often with nesquick in) or a large glass of fruit juice
and her packed lunch always includes fruit and a healthy sandwich.
DS is at the hollow legs stage so is getting through three weetabix with a tonne of sugar every morning!

Scrazy Thu 28-Feb-13 12:44:19

I managed to get through my first fast day yesterday. Eating normally but not excessively until the next one. Does anyone know what the average weight loss should be if you stick it out for say 3 weeks, or is there no such thing as an average?

Inagalaxynotsofaraway Thu 28-Feb-13 13:00:56

Hi, first post on MN. Been lurking on thread 13 and decided to join. Just turned 50 and have been putting on weight gradually over the last couple of years - would like to lose a stone.
Did first Fast on Monday and doing another one today - ok so far, just drinking water and had light lunch then dinner - kept to 500 calories.
Inspired by the losers especially those that have said that they have lost weight around the waist/tummy area - hoping that will include me soon

Dotty342kids Thu 28-Feb-13 13:22:53

scrazy it really varies I'm afraid. Some have lost 10-11lbs in four weeks, others have lost more like 4lbs! I guess it really depends on your starting weight and what your eating habits were like beforehand. For those who are much further away from their ideal weight or who were dramatically over their recommended calorie intake then the loss is probably quite quick to start with. Those who don't have so much to lose or who aren't changing their habits so dramatically probably see a more gradual loss.
Good luck!

OK I am convinced, having seen the speed these threads have built up on MN I will try it.

My history: was always overweight until I discovered carb-controlled eating aged 27. Then had 7 years of being really well, and in control of my weight, until I had children - since when, I've had another 7 years of not being able to stick to carb-controlled plan any more, principally because life just gets in the way, it gets too hard to prepare low-carb food in advance, and I also ended up having to prepare different food for kids which wasn't workable. So I have been getting bigger and bigger, with occasional bursts of shrinking when I got back on top of my eating again for short periods. My energy levels are pretty rubbish, too.

I work full-time in a sedentary job and I can see I could work this into my weekdays - if I do the 500 cal days, say, Tuesday (when I work late and kids eat separately anyway) and Friday, it is actually less work for me rather than more. So. First trial fast day tomorrow ....

dines Thu 28-Feb-13 13:30:25

Hello all none fast day today.. I hate peppermint tea for drinks in the morning then had 2 cups of coffee nearer to the afternoon had my lunch at 12..onion baguette filled with a little cheese with streaky bacon crisps and a chocolate orange cookie and goin to have spag bowl for dinner wen I get home from work.. fasting again on Monday and weighing..hope I've lost.

greenfig Thu 28-Feb-13 13:30:42

Good luck systems My reasons for starting are similar to yours. Lo carbing was difficult to fit into family life & budget. It worked really well for me losing weight but I was finding I needed to continue just to maintain. Also after recently watching the programme I was concerned that my diet was too high protein & the affects of that. It helps me to have an idea of what I'm going to eat the next day so that I don't get easily distracted!!

artemis17 Thu 28-Feb-13 13:33:03

Talkinpeace thanks for the info flowers My DS is 16 so "likely to humor not listen" lol and eats really well all the time but wont eat breakfast, i guess ive never set that example at dont eat it myself which is great with for 5-2 smile. Its just hard to go against the grain of all the advice that "breakfast is essential start to the day".

Dotty342kids Thu 28-Feb-13 13:43:56

Welcome to the madness systems! Sounds like you've seen how this could work for you and got a plan in place so hopefully it'll work out well! Remember, tomorrow, to keep lots of liquids to hand and work out in advance what you'll eat and when. For me, I can keep going till 2-3.00 but then I just have to eat something - usally a hard boiled egg or a banana, then my tea of around 400 cals.

notapizzaeater Thu 28-Feb-13 13:46:54

Fasting again today ! Went out last night and "tea" was pie and peas so I had a huge bowl of mushy peas ! Feeling the effects today though grin need to pop out soon and shop including sme more peppermint tea, seem to be getting though boxes of the tuff.

Tea tonight will be hard, making chicken curry, am going to gt a can of sup for me I think - though I am saving all my 500 calories for tea so a true 22 hr fast !

Put some jeans on today and def felt looseron the legs grin

PassTheSherry Thu 28-Feb-13 14:15:16

Omg trust me - missed the boat on the previous thread and posted when everyone had already moved here. off to cut and paste

pinklady1107 Thu 28-Feb-13 14:16:49

Just bookmarking.

Half way through first day and although I have a major headache feel ok. Am drinking plenty which helps.

Xx

PassTheSherry Thu 28-Feb-13 14:18:30

Try again!

Hi everyone! Gosh this thread moves fast - I posted a little 'hello' less than a week ago and meant to say thanks for the welcome, been busy a couple of days and now I've lost track from when I last posted as it's moved on so much! Anyway - thank you for the welcome, and the helpful posts for newcomers.

Quick update - had first ever fast day last Saturday and it went OK - the fasting was hard, but doable - however, I had the worst night's sleep in quite a long time that night, couldn't drop off until well after 4am, and tired all next day. Second day of fasting went a lot better, as I deliberately chose a busy day, with lots to do to keep my mind off food. I also bought in two ready meals and saved myself the hassle of cooking and totting up calories of every ingredient etc. Lots of water and vegetable bouillon. The total calories came to more than 500 - but as I was out and about, on my feet for a lot - and walking around I took that into account. MyFitnessPal app is my new best friend.

Heh talking of which - today is a non-fast day, and I went for a full english breakfast, coffee - used the app to see how much of my daily calories I've eaten, and to my horror it's already up to 1800!!! I had no idea it would be that much.

So, now I'm thinking - shall I just count today as a blip and eat more sensibly for the rest of the day, and spend tomorrow on 430-500cals fasting - or shall I start fasting now, stick to <500 cals between now and tomorrow, and eat normally again from tomorrow lunchtime??

I'm a little unclear about the 24hr 'fasting periods' - is it 24hrs between meals? Because that is a lot easier than a day of fasting with a night's sleep on either end iyswim.

Anja1Cam Thu 28-Feb-13 14:20:52

TIP I hear you! I needed you yesterday evening though, to stop me reaching for the biscuit tin (after an otherwise healthy normal day!)

Fast day today, apart from herbal teas and my morning black coffee I've had one Miso Soup. If I can do this on a Fast Day why not on a Feast Day?!?

I find eating as little as possible during the day is okay, and allows me a 'proper' dinner. Tonight it's Meatballs in tomato sauce, with extra courgettes or cauliflower rice instead of the spaghetti everyone else is having! Plus yoghurt with stewed Rhubarb. I'm really trying to disguise from my kids that I'm eating a bit differently to them and it's working so far. On Tuesday we 'had run out of noodles' so I was having nothing with our veg-heavy stir fry wink... And I can actually accept a biscuit or bake a cake and enjoy it at the weekend now.

On another note, I can already see results grin in my trouser fit, waist and legs.

Fillybuster Thu 28-Feb-13 14:22:12

thanks Greeneggs....wow, I can't believe we're onto another thread. I joined at #8 and still feel like a total newbie grin

Another fast day here, as well. Sticking with my normal 'no cals at all until 24 hours' approach but much much harder today as I'm working from home...and utterly freezing!

It won't be a 'real' fast as I'm going out to a veggie restaurant tonight to celebrate some girlfriends birthdays, and will not be holding back, but hopefully a 24 hour fast in advance will help balance whatever I eat this evening (which won't be huge - the restaurant is lovely, but smart with v small portions!). Second fast of the week, and I'm holding steady at 9st 9lbs, so more of a maintenance one anyway...

snoworneahva Thu 28-Feb-13 14:44:32

My dcs have always enjoyed a big breakfast - no processed cereal though or fruit juice - if they want fruit they have to eat it rather than drink it. They usually have porridge, eggs or a home made full fat greek yoghurt and fruit smoothie - sometimes a double cream and frozen fruit ice cream. They are allowed one can of Good Earth cola a week but can have a Coke when we eat out. They get one packet of sweets a week, often they don't finish them....they tend to want to eat homemade cakes rather than make requests for sweets - which are admittedly high in sugar but at least they contain some nutrients, and no crap additives.
We rarely eat crisps, I hate processed junk food. They can eat what they like at friends houses and on holidays.

They can have snacks after school, I don't have a problem with that, they are hungry - we don't eat till 7 or 8.00pm, so they would need something to keep the hunger pangs at bay!

countryhousehotel Thu 28-Feb-13 14:55:04

Wow these threads move fast! Glad I sparked an egg and asparagus run this morning!

Well, day 4 for me (2nd fast day) and already its gone tits up. Went to a friend for (very late) morning playdate, which ended up being at midday as she was running late. Turned up to find she had got lunch ready before we arrived. Hadn't prewarned her about fasting (don't know her that well).

So upshot is I ate a huge bowl of very delicious salad with goats cheese, giant couscous, sprouted chickpeas, lovely dressing. And a piece of baguette. Couldn't be rude though. And I have probably gone over 500 cals, so do I jack in the fast and minimise the damage by just having a light supper tonight (the red lentil, roasted red pepper, carrot soup) OR do I fast until late tomorrow morning from now to get an extended fast period under my belt.

Talkinpeace wwyd?

ubik Thu 28-Feb-13 14:59:51

mine do get snacks after school but it tends to be some cheese/baguette or fruit - on athletics/gym/swimming days they get biscuits and we do have 'Sweetie Friday' which is hotly anticipated by all three as they get to choose a sweetie although I refused to buy the brain licker
I don't buy fizzy drinks or juice though - just plain water or milk in our house and usually it's fruit for pudding.

Fasting today and writing an essay - have already had a two egg omelette with ham and spinach and will have baked cod with mustard sauce and yet more spinach for dinner. Suspect I will be more like 700 cals today but am bloody freezing and have an essay to write so bugger it.

Talkinpeace Thu 28-Feb-13 15:03:21

countryhouse
I'd have eaten that too for a start - fast or no fast - sounds yummy! And baguette is an utter weakness of mine.
TBH have the soup tonight, put it down as a half fast and be busy to burn some of it off.

ubik
I'm with you on "stuff that, its cold" and have been relaxing a tad on the actual number of calories (thought not the hours) on these nasy raw cold days.

snoworneahva Thu 28-Feb-13 15:04:55

I blame dh for the bleeding coke obsession, he introduced it!!

Second fast day today and I am struggling a bit.

I am using MFP and I know I am not eating all my allowance on my non fast days. Food is a bit like alcohol with me, once I have one I want more.

Will have to revisit my meals.

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 28-Feb-13 16:10:41

Thanks everyone thanks Can see it was a good call to start the new thread!

Today is a fast day, which is good because I've been incredibly busy and unable to give much thought to food. Not a clue what's for dinner but I suspect it'll be one of the trusty Covent Garden veg soups I have in the fridge.

Filly see, you just get stuck in posting and before you know it you're an old hand. grin

BetsyVanBell Thu 28-Feb-13 16:11:08

Marking place.

hi. was going to fast today but have decided to do tomorrow instead. a) i have period pains and feel a bit off (hoping that will come overnight) and b) i really fancied a glass of wine just now and decided that i would have it and just fast tomorrow.

i didn't have anything until just now so still got a good 20hr fast in for the health purposes.

no desire to go mad tonight with calories but am really enjoying a glass of white wine. will fast tomorrow when i'm at work and naturally do a lot more exercise.

Bramblesinafield Thu 28-Feb-13 17:19:37

Bookmarking!

My usual fast day today, but assessing, so couldn't incAe my stomach rumbled!

Can't tomorrow as sons birthday and away on a course with colleague unch sat. So, will skip one. However, am not as hungry as I used to be since before fasting, so am sure that it will balance out somewhere!

ELR Thu 28-Feb-13 17:19:51

Hi everyone, fast day today my fourth so far and I am finding it a little tougher than the others.
Went straight from the school run to blue water for a day of shopping with a friend which was fine as it was her first fast today. We went to Pret for lunch so had a soup only 213calories and then a cuppa but was a veg soup not my usual porridge so didnt have the totally full feeling.
The difficult bit started when we got home after school pick up, I had turned the heating off this morning due to being out all day so am freezing!! I've had veg bouillon and thank god DH is home a little earlier tonight so dinner should be at about 6 I can't wait!! But I'm holding up, just emptied kids lunch boxes and both had left a bit of wholemeal roll with roast chicken I could have easily eaten them but I quickly poured water over them to stop myself!

Right off to prepare dinner and think I will have a cup of tea to keep me going and warm me up...

ELR Thu 28-Feb-13 17:22:25

P.S. just I case you are wondering we are having mustardy celeriac mash, wilted spinach and green beans and sea bass fillets

Wishihadabs Thu 28-Feb-13 18:01:52

2nd fast day, much easier than 1st. Chose to have my calories hot at lunchtime-makes a massive difference. I know lots of you have v. Long fasts then a more normal dinner, but I seem to need my calories earlier in the day.I still have 200 to spend but wouldn't be bothered not eating again now.

Wishihadabs Thu 28-Feb-13 18:03:11

Maybe a 2pm-2pm fast is the way forward for me..

Sutinder Thu 28-Feb-13 18:40:44

Hi everyone... Does anyone experience a fast heartbeat whilst fasting?

ELR Thu 28-Feb-13 18:52:10

Sutinder no but prob the first two fasts my heart quickened a little when I saw my dinner!! Prob the anticipation of food!

Sutinder Thu 28-Feb-13 19:27:09

I like that answerELR

Laska42 Thu 28-Feb-13 19:33:10

sureley greeneggs that was the fastest thread ever? thanksagain

For the lots of you who dont know me, as I again didn't manage to post much on the last thread ,) I have been doing this since last August and have lost around 21lbs ..

My hints and tips are make everything as tasty as possible for your 500calories.
Chilli sauce!
Water or green tea - its easy to get dehydrated
make your fast day meals vegetable and protein-based (in that order)
and like TIP (who knows a thing or two) NO Snacking . (but I haven't followed her advice so well this week blush)

I usually post more these days over on the Maintenance thread where we would love to see any of you who have been doing this a while , and especially if you are working on losing the last few lbs or thinking of maintenance strategies. But I promise that I will make more of an effort to come over here this thread to hopefully add my help to any of you that I can ..

This is a great transformational WOE and one I think ill be continuing for the rest of my life now.. Having been a long time 'Weight watcher member' and realising that this WOE has not only enabled me to finally shift that last bit of weight ive been stuck with for years , and eat the things I like, ill never go back to anything like that again grin

greenfig Thu 28-Feb-13 19:37:07

Thanks to all the knowledgeable posters for your tips & supportsmile
I really struggled today but am feeling better now & I made it. Sounds like lots of us have had a hard time today, must be this freezing weather!
Good luck to tomorrows fasters & anyone with a weigh in tomorrow.

Breadandwine Thu 28-Feb-13 19:48:16

Hi guys! Well done GE - you can't afford to relax the way these threads move, can you?

snoworneahva, Great name - and I've only just tumbled to it!

I was thinking, 'Snow? What goes with snow?' But I'm OK now! grin

pinklady1107 Thu 28-Feb-13 19:54:27

I've had 550 calories today so a little over - will that be a problem do you think? Xx

ELR Thu 28-Feb-13 20:12:45

I have gone over by about 20 due to a little extra milk in my tea and a tsp of mustard! But so cold I really need this last cuppa tonight. Gonna have a lovely soak in the bath then an early night I think.

Sutinder Thu 28-Feb-13 20:15:25

I've just ordered shred DVD from amazon. Has anyone used it. I want to tone up whilst losing the fat

Sutinder Thu 28-Feb-13 20:16:46

Oh and it's my feed day today and I have eaten for England oops... Fast Tom definitely

stickygingerbread Thu 28-Feb-13 20:23:00

Thank you GreenEggs for the new thread, in the nick of time. I seem to be averaging 1 to 2 posts per thread at the current blistering pace.

Welcome all new fasters, lurkers and de-lurkers. I've been doing ADF for 8 weeks and very happy with the lifestyle. My tummy is so much flatter. <thrilled> and all my sleeves much looser. Last week weighed in a stone lighter than baseline weight (which was taken just after Christmas and just after lunch as well). About 2 more stone to lose, but I am primarily committed to long term health goals. My plan is to weigh very infrequently and concentrate on really practicing the way of life.

Wishi I find eating at mid-day to be best for me too. Sometimes if I just have a cup of soup at mid-day, then have some more in the evening, but often can get through the evening without difficulty. Weekends are harder though, so I loosen it up a bit, eating 2 small meals and going over 500 for the weekend fast day.

I don't know who recommended this, but I want to thank the poster who suggested the fast day combination of butternut squash soup with coconut milk and a bit of chili flake. Love it.

My top tips right now are in line with Laska42's on making everything as tasty (and intense) as possible: dukkah and harissa (thanks to Laska42 for mentioning harissa in earlier threads). Dukkah is an egyptian spice blend that I've just tried for the first time and find delicious - am putting on salads and soups.

This past non-fast Sunday I revisited the orange almond flour cake snowkey posted in an earlier thread, and made it again this time with cocoa powder and melted dark chocolate. Also cut the sugar by about 40%. Rave reviews. The oranges add a sweetness and the chocoate richness, so the sugar isn't missed at all.

ElizaCBennett Thu 28-Feb-13 20:26:50

Have done my second fast this week so far and am planning a third on Saturday if I feel the way I do today. Finding it quite easy to stick to but am impatient for faster weight loss! Heigh ho, I know it will come off soon, maybe I should only weigh once a week and not every day as I am now. The strangest thing is I that I do not think about food all the time since I have been fasting!

Laska42 Thu 28-Feb-13 20:32:00

sutinder we've all gone a bit Shred mad on the maintenance thread .. though this week i've been bad ( and im supposed to be Jillian egging everyone one) ..

ELR Thu 28-Feb-13 20:42:42

I've done the shred a few times its really good, it does make you ache the day after though!

Sutinder Thu 28-Feb-13 20:45:07

Oh good to know laska I'm looking forward to getting started. Really looking forward to fasting tomorrow as have overdone it this evening. Have a great day Tom everyone and look to reading the posts.

snoworneahva Thu 28-Feb-13 20:58:52

Evidence that my affirmations are working may be starting to emerge - found a Selection Box today, leftover from Christmas, it was approaching its Best Before date so I had a snack size Snickers - stopped there....would normally have devoured the snack sized Mars bars and the Milky Way too. Must say Snickers aren't as nice as they used to be - sugary but with no flavour or maybe the 85% Green&Blacks has been quietly converting my tastebuds. Either way "I can control my sugar intake"....repeat! smile

Talkinpeace Thu 28-Feb-13 21:21:17

snowornehva
and the conversion from Snickers to Green and Blacks is part of the winning streak (says she who does not eat chocolate)
learning to eat a little bit of something flavoursome and well cooked
rather than a pile of stodge or sugar
is the way to become a lean mean you ...

BlackMaryJanes Thu 28-Feb-13 21:23:12

Someone talk me out of over-eating. My mind is playing tricks on me, urging me to binge on snack a jacks.

BlackMaryJanes Thu 28-Feb-13 21:24:39

Okay, time for my mantra:

"What you eat in private, you wear in public".

Say it ladies!! (and gents)

Talkinpeace Thu 28-Feb-13 21:24:44

Why?
Why do you have them in the house?
Go and put them in the wheelie bin NOW.
THen sit down with a nice cup of tea and feel virtuous.

BlackMaryJanes Thu 28-Feb-13 21:28:51

They're in the house, ready for tomorrow. Going to have a very large mug of tea. I often find drinking a lot makes me feel bloated so that's good.

ellenbrody Thu 28-Feb-13 21:38:45

Damn biscuits in the staff room! I mindlessly ate 3! Wasn't even hungry! Have eaten 850 cals - grrr.
I think I will try and come in at just under my TDEE tomorrow, but I'm annoyed with myself.

GiraffesEatPineapples Thu 28-Feb-13 22:26:52

I am doing a budget version of green and blacks and having Sainsbury basic dark choc but adding a couple of macadamia nuts its yum and doesn't make my blood sugar funny! Trying to lower Carbs and eat more veg and protein particularly on fast days, it is making me Fuller and less bingey on non fast days too. I am trying to keep to the level of protein recommend by Mosley so still having some bread etc but not as much.

snoworneahva Thu 28-Feb-13 22:35:36

We bulk buy Green&Blacks when it's on offer.

The Coop do a fantastic 85% as do Divine...actually they make the Coop version.

BumBiscuits Thu 28-Feb-13 22:37:25

I sometimes have a series of snacks in the evening rather than sn evening meal. Usually adding up to the same as, or below what a meal would have been.

I'm away this weekend again, though have the children with me so won't be drinking like a fish as per last weekend when bumbiscuits thought she could drink like her 25 year old self again, not big or clever

ELR Thu 28-Feb-13 22:41:16

Ooh green & blacks...... That's what caused my really bad headache which was almost a migraine last Sunday night.
Love the chocolate and almonds one. I've actually got a few bars in the cupboard but fear of a migraine stops me from eating it.

GiraffesEatPineapples Thu 28-Feb-13 22:44:36

ooh yum I have a Co op near me. sainsbo stuff is great for budget baking aswell, not sure the ingredients in the chocolate are that great though at 33p for 100g!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 28-Feb-13 22:48:44

Lindt dark chocolate with caramelised hazelnuts yum! Have given it up for lent, had major craving tonight but had tea instead. Am very virtuous.

Have really enjoyed my non fast day glass of wine, don't get to drink much anymore because of my medication so I really made sure I savoured every drop.

Laska42 Thu 28-Feb-13 22:53:19

One word for chocolate : Montezumas... but dont go there or look at their website .. I didn't eat chocolate for years when doing WW ... trouble is on 5:2 I seem to have started to.. but only the very good stuff occasionally and only v dark choc. .. I love their Sea Dog dark choc- Lime and sea salt - and also their dark lime and chilli truffles (94cals each!!shockbut now I know that I only have one) ..

BadbadbadbadbadMe ..

Sorry TIP blush

Marking my place.

Fasted Mon and Weds this week, was nice waking up this morning and knowing it's already behind me! I've lost 4lbs in my first week of 5:2 and I'm pleased with that.

virginposter Thu 28-Feb-13 23:07:21

greeneggs thanks for new thread.

Talkinpeace Thu 28-Feb-13 23:08:14

:-)
I do not eat chocolate so I can feel REALLY smug at you all about that one grin

plecofjustice Thu 28-Feb-13 23:15:38

hi all,

I know I posted this a while ago, but didn't really get that much of a response, and am really interested, so am having another go! smile

I've been fasting since September, with a break (well going down to 6:1) for Christmas and, for various reasons, the fist 2 weeks in February. I fast Mondays and Wednesdays, then eat to MPF recommended (1590 cal) Tuesdays and Thursdays. I probably eat MFP+100 on Fridays (track brekkie and lunch, not dinner) then don't track at weekends and probably eat and drink around 2000-2500 each day. I reckon that gives me a weekly deficit of 2676, call it 2500 to allow for overs.

Just wondering how this compares to others patters?

NotYetSummer Thu 28-Feb-13 23:24:11

Hi, I'm new to the thread but have been following for a while. I've been 5:2ing since December and have lost a stone. I have another to go to get to a healthy BMI.

I've labelled my fast days "Skinny Days" somehow it makes them sound more positive, to think what you're achieving not what you're going without.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 01-Mar-13 00:02:14

I appreciate chocolate but it's not my downfall- I only crave it once a month. grin

But, I recommend checking out the chocolate at Aldi. Very high cocoa content in the milk chocolate as well as dark, certainly higher than Cadburys. I use their dark chocolate when I bake.

Arana Fri 01-Mar-13 03:08:18

Wow this thread moves so fast!

I've just finished my second week of 5:2, so four fast days, and 2kg lost, so I'm happy with that smile

I've also found that on non-fast days (I do like the idea of calling them skinny days) I just don't want to eat as much, especially during the day. I'm on a non-fast day today, but I've only eaten a mango for breakfast and about 100g of cooked salmon for lunch. I'll probably have a salad for dinner.

One thing I've found interesting, is that my sense of smell is awesome when I'm fasting! I could smell a friend's salt and vinegar crisps from about 15 feet away! I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing ;)

I'm hoping that after a couple more weeks of this my pot-belly will recede. My BMI is 24.9 down from 25.6, but when my BMI was 23.5 I just looked gaunt, so I don't really want to lose too much weight.

This probably isn't the right place to ask, but is anyone considering or had liposuction or plastic surgery following significant weight loss? I lost 40kg three years ago, and even at my lightest (when I looked very gaunt in the face, and had no boobs to speak of) I still had a fairly significant pot belly, muffin top and flabby arms.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 01-Mar-13 06:45:16

Slight move on the scales to 11.1.2 from 11.2 which I have been stuck at for a few weeks. But I won't count it as an official shift until I've stayed there for a few days! But it was a good feeling to see it on the scales especially as yesterday was an eating day grin

countryhousehotel Fri 01-Mar-13 06:56:01

Tip thanks for that...had the soup last night but ate nothing between lunch and soup at 8pm. Had to guess my lunchtime cals, but still think i was way off my TDEE, so it was a semi-fast day...more of a Very Low Calorie day...but I'm happy to have those (instead of a full-on fast) from time to time. I'm still way off my TDEE on eating days too, despite eating plenty, and compared to how I was eating before I started this, massively down on calories per week, as long as I can stay in control this weekend grin. I've cut down on alcohol since the beginning of Jan so now drinking very occasionally instead of every day . And today I'll have a smoothie for breakfast (almond milk, frozen fruit, spinach) and a chicken avocado rye bread sandwich for lunch (leftover roast chicken) and then nothing until this evening when I will splurge on a huge curry.

Hi pieceofjustice i've been following this thread for a couple of weeks, I think everyone tailors the whole 5:2 thing to fit their WOL, I have certainly read of others posting here who are under their TDEE on some eating days but way over on others. Also some who try to maximise their fasting period whereas others just try to stick within 500 cals on their fasting day and not worry about how long between meals. I'm certainly in the latter camp at the moment, if it helps me stick to 500 cals on a fasting day to spread the cals out across the day then I'll do it. If I can last until lunchtime or mid afternoon then I'll do that. I'm taking each one as it comes. I'm sure I'll go over TDEE some days if we're socialising or drinking heavily more than usual. The main thing for me though is that I've managed to get back on to a much healthier way of eating, nothing processed, all fresh, homemade, whole grains, no artificial or packaged food...so I'm sure that even if I go over TDEE sometimes I'm going to lose...and to be in control of my eating even when eating out (something i've struggled to control lately, and we eat out quite a lot).

shock horror - 2 non fast days i'm still 11.6.8 - after how last week was i thought i'd have gone up at least a couple of pounds today.

i think what's doing it is that i'm doing the fast of at least 18hrs everyday then on fast days just having 500 and non fast days having what i want. i feel like i've eaten loads on a non fast evening (and not virtuous choices by far including alcohol) and then i sit back and think about it and what my tdee is and how many miles i've walked that day and realise i'm actually probably well within.

i also think that giving up the milk in my coffee has made a huge difference as i'm running on what i ate the night before and fat every day rather than my body getting a bit of lactose every half hour or so all morning to work on instead.

today will be first fast day since tuesday and the last of the week i think. hoping the down turn that comes from that will be as sustainable as this one has been.

can really recommend doing some mini fasts on non fast days (re: waiting a long time till you eat that day) to people who are stuck. it has seemed to be more effective for me than adding in an extra fast day was last week. i also think that for those of us who like to eat a lot limiting the number of hours you have to eat in helps because you get to feel full and like you've eaten loads because if needs be you can have your whole tdee in a few hours which is actually a lot.

Another 300g down so 5lbs in 8 days, which included 4 fast days. I definitely like this way of eating!

I sometimes have long gaps between meals, but its not always intentional.

Wishihadabs Fri 01-Mar-13 07:27:56

Well second fast day behind me and again not starving as I thought I would be. Feel like I know what works for me now so nice clear plan for Monday (next fast day)

snoworneahva Fri 01-Mar-13 08:33:18

Tip you are preaching to the converted - I don't eat processed food, the quality and taste of the food we eat is all important in this household, even on fast days everything has to be cooked from scratch BUT in the past I have had a sugar weak spot - I am now in control of my sugar intake - affirmations....I won't even post something suggesting otherwise. grin

I have now done 4 full weeks of this eating regime plus the fasts of the 5th week already. I have not lost anything for 2 and a half weeks which is not making me disheartened because I have lost 8lbs overall.

I think if I average a pound a week weight loss and the trajectory is down then I am happy.

According to MFP:

week 1 - 4692 under weekly goal (calories)
week 2 - 4075 under weekly goal
week 3 - 1941 under weekly goal
week 4 - 3262 under weekly goal
week 5 - 3460 under weekly goal

Now we all know that roughly -3000 calories is a pound of weightloss so the stats make sense - actually they're better than a pound a week, meaning that there is something particular about fasting that makes you lose more weight. The first 2 weeks I did 4:3 but the last 3 I've done 5:2.

I find the fasts days easy and I can easily imagine doing this for a very long time.

I don't understand the 'NO SNACKING' confused - is that on fast days? or just in general? Is that a personal thing? One of the things I love about eating days is having tea and cake in the afternoon which is an extra meal/snacking.

Hello all, glad I found you! grin

Evenings for me are the worst as I am at work and there are always lovely things being handed around (like chocolate and cake) but I am starting my second fast today and already done 12 hours - 16 will take me to 1.30pm and I will have some fridge raiders and a cup a soup I think.

Finding the actual fasting easier than I thought I would - yesterday I ate quite a bit out of boredom as I had to hang around waiting for my other half to come out of an interview.

What can I eat for fibre on a fast day? Have been having issues with digestion... Too much fruit/veg I think.

ELR Fri 01-Mar-13 09:48:00

Morning all, good luck to all fasters today and congrats to all fasters who made it yesterday!

So pleased its an eating day today, yesterday's fast was quite tough but I did it!

Like the idea of calling fast days Skinny Days although to an outsider fast means fast and skinny just means a smaller piece of cake!

I've had a bacon and egg sandwich with brown sauce this morning and two cups of tea it was lush but I am totally stuffed!
Planning a light lunch maybe prawn and avocado salad and then kids want homemade pizza tonight so looking forward to that.

Who ever asked about calories per day ect this is what I do.

2 fast days 500 calories each give or take a few.
5 days 1985 calories give or take a few.
I usually count calories using my fitness pal during the week but tend to relax on the weekend especially Saturday I enter my calories towards the end of the day and they are usually within my tdee if there's any spare I might have a snack or glass of wine otherwise I don't eat until the next morning.

I have been the same weight for over ten years 10st10lbs but recently put on 3 lbs so don't generally over eat but I just need to lose that extra and a little more weight and then maintain that level instead of maintaining 10st10lbs.
I'm hoping to get down to 9st5lb as that will give me a bmi in the 22's which apparently is the magic number.

First fast day today. I was out last night (v. unusual!) and drank Coke which was silly as it meant I woke up hungry - I could normally skip breakfast but I was so hungry I had to have a banana, and now I'm hungry again!! Sitting it out - I have a tub of 46cal/100g chicken and veg soup in the fridge but want to delay eating it for as long as possible. I guess the first fast day is probably the worst, right? Still, hunger is easier to handle than carb cravings, and I suspect if I sit it out it should pass in time ...

BetsyVanBell Fri 01-Mar-13 09:52:43

Hello all

Fast day yesterday, have just done a silly workout and am mustering up the energy to get up again and break my fast with an egg & bacon butty!

Fab weigh in this morning - now lost 11lbs since starting 5:2 6 weeks ago and that makes exactly 3 stone lost in all since I started the getting healthy lark! Whoop!

Good luck today fasters, it's worth the effort and remember you can eat tomorrow grin.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 01-Mar-13 09:55:16

LaurieFairy I take "no snacking" to mean people need to move away from the idea that they should never feel hungry. When TIP goes on a snack food industry rant, she's right; they have everyone convinced that at the first sign of a bit of hunger between meals, we should be eating their granola bar/yogurt (some with as much sugar per serving as a bowl of sugary cereal)/crisps to tide ourselves over to the next meal. This simply didn't exist before the 70s or 80s.

I'm not saying I don't eat between meals some days, but I find myself replacing more of that snacking with cups of tea or coffee. Fast days have shown me that a lot of my eating is boredom, anyway.

I suspect TIP has her own answer for that, but that's mine. grin

BetsyVanBell Fri 01-Mar-13 09:56:27

systems get the kettle on and make a hot drink! Best way to ride that hunger wave, ideally something herbally that doesn't need milk but if you're struggling go with whatever makes you feel least deprived. Yesterday morning I really needed a comforting strong fresh coffee with a good glug of full fat milk and it kept me going til 6pm (aside from herbal teas and water of course).

PassTheSherry Fri 01-Mar-13 10:00:36

Does everyone know about Zero Noodles?? VERY low calorie, only 10 cals per pack - amazing. A friend just told me about them. Am going to see if my local Holland and Barrett have them in today.

Thanks GreenEggs smile

I had Zero noodles yesterday Betsy for the first time as I was sick of soup - I just washed them, boiled them and mixed them with some wagamama chilli men sauce (which I love). Filled a gap, tasted ok.

tomorrowweeat Fri 01-Mar-13 10:14:50

Please can someone tell me how to the weekly rather than daily calories on MFP?

mamamoomin2 Fri 01-Mar-13 10:29:28

Sorry but here to give myself an online pat on the back and some encouragement to those starting out. Been doing 4:3 since 4th Jan and on weighing today have lost another 2lb... Making it almost 1.5 stone so far! smile well it is 1st 6lb but I have had 2 cups of tea this morning so kinda rounding down.

Had a small wobble last week but think that was more to do with other life stuff. Keeping at it and hopefully the loss will continue! Fingers crossed!

Good luck all old and new fasters! smile

tomorrowweeat Fri 01-Mar-13 10:32:48

Well done Mama, that's a great result. I started in January too and have lost 13lbs so far. Just love this WOE as I feel I can do it for ever and no more diet stress smile

What I like about this is that reading your posts, this is the exact way people talked about the only other diet I've ever been successful on (controlling carbs) - way of life forever, not really a diet, making them feel better. This is what gives me a chink of hope!

thekingfisher Fri 01-Mar-13 10:38:52

ANYOne able to help?????

my MFP seems to have gone bezerk and won't offer up any new foods I am searching for - only what I have already put in.....and yesterday I had mostly 'new' foods as far as mfp is concerned....

soooooo can anyone work out how many calories this is that I had for dinner last night - my fast day?

100g cooked chicken - breast meat,

large salad with beetroot leaves, baby plum toms, cucumber and peppers and

about 10ml balsamic vinegar

AND ( now for the killer) about 1 small potato cut into 5 'squares' pan fried with 1 cal spay.

That was dinner last night - the POts were a real weakness but only had a few.

Only other calories I had were 3 strepsils (though not counting these as VERY coldy y'day)
Elderflower cordial (enough for 1 drink diluted over 1 1/2 litres of water) and 300g of Yorkshire provender pea and spinach soup.....

Any ideas????

tomorrowweeat - on the App you hit 'Home' at the bottom and then Weekly at the top for Weekly.

artemis17 Fri 01-Mar-13 10:45:12

saf i agree re the mini fasts, i quite often dont eat til mid pm even after a fast day, ive def got a lot more control over my hunger and listen to my body not my belly lol...
Weekly weigh in, another 1lb down and .5 of an inch smile. My BMI says 20.85, but its more about getting the belly/love handles looking good in lycra outta sight which is happening yaay...
This WOE is so inspiring and it will be with me for life i think. Thinking of going 6-1 for mainetance as dont want to lose more than a couple of pounds now BUT if im honest i think i will miss the 2 days fasting as i do i feel virtuous and in control on the fast day........

artemis - definitely working for me. i've been reading about 20/4 and 16/8 fasting today and that might actually end up being my maintenance woe when i get to goal weight.

i have booked me and ds a holiday in sinai, egypt so i have extra motivation now. i used to live and work there when i was a svelte, tanned diving instructor and i hate going back there fat!!

Miffytastic Fri 01-Mar-13 11:03:07

Hello! fast day for me today, I weighed myself first thing and I have lost 4lbs since 1st of Feburary. It is quite slow and a bit 'bouncing around' but if the trend is downwards I'm happy. I still have at least 7lbs to go to my target, so I might be nearing it by Easter hopefully.

By BMI is 23.6 and I'm wondering about trying some 4:3 weeks to speed things up. Though I have to say I don't count at all on 'normal' days as I find it too tricky- how on earth to calculate home made pizza for example? So 4:3 or maybe a couple of 'low cal' days might speed the weight loss, what do you reckon?

RLJ1874 Fri 01-Mar-13 11:32:45

Hi everyone!

I hope it's OK if I join your thread. I have just discovered this WOE after my friend told me she lost 14 lbs in 5 weeks on it. I'm 24 and have always struggled with my weight. I always find I can be really disciplined for a short period of time but it the motivation will eventually disappear, whether it's 2 days or 6 months. So this seems like the prefer eating program for me as I can last one day but then eat the next! My first fast day is today, and I've decided to break up my 500 calories into two meals. 200 at breakfast and 300 at dinner. Here's hoping smile

How is everybody finding the 5:2?
Does anybody recommend starting off on 4:3?

Sutinder Fri 01-Mar-13 12:29:12

Hi...can anyone help with HIT exercise dr Mosley talked about. I've sold my bike as never used it.. Can running up and down stairs or on the spot help...fast for me today and going well so far. Had nothing to eat so far just numerous hot drinks with no milk... Yippee 500 calories for later

I do Jillian for HIIT, also fasting and had 0 cals since 9.30pm last night. Just did Jillian and some yoga!

virginposter Fri 01-Mar-13 13:08:41

the kingfisher 100g of chicken breast is 110 calories. Sorry can't help with the rest as the quantities you give are too vague.

virginposter Fri 01-Mar-13 13:11:51

thekingfisher Oh, and can only find 15ml of balsamic which unhelpfully says either 10 or 16 cals depending on which make.

Sutinder Fri 01-Mar-13 13:15:46

I've ordered shred so will start once it arrives... Well done on zero calories seratonin I'm not gonna give in yet either.

virginposter Fri 01-Mar-13 13:15:49

thekingfisher and 100 g of the Yorkshire soup is 46cals.

I have had Soup. 138 cals thereof. And lemon and ginger tea - about to have another cup.

I keep going back and forth between 'this is fine, I can do this' and 'I am really hungry now' ... but I know I need to save the rest of my calories for an evening meal now, I have 220 left.

Determined to get through till tomorrow morning.

Daisy1407 Fri 01-Mar-13 13:58:44

Hi all
HAPPY FRIDAY!
im eating today had a subway for lunch, a cupcake and a welsh cake
Off on the drinks with girls tonight so a bad day for eating again 2mo (hangover does me NO favours!)

Not looking forward to weigh day Monday - Hey ho have to have a life too

Fasting monday xx

Have a lovely weekend all x

RLJ1874 Fri 01-Mar-13 14:01:19

hi systemsaddict,
I'm the same! It's my first fast day today. Been up since 8am and had a bowl of cereal with skimmed milk at 9.30am which was 180 calories. I'm now getting really hungry and keep thinking, no no it's fine, then realising how my stomach feels very empty. But I have my dinner planned out, plate of vegetables and fish fingers totalling 300 calories. It's really keeping me going...but it's the slowest afternoon ever.

countryhousehotel Fri 01-Mar-13 14:14:19

Sutinder I don't have the book but I'm assuming he's talking about High Intensity Training...otherwise known as High Intensity Interval Training. Yes running up and down stairs or on the spot will count/help. I do up to 30 minute HIIT circuits at home - using weights etc to make it harder but bodyweight exercises are just as effective without extra weight eg plank, squat, lunge, press up. I do it 5 - 6 times a week and sometimes go out for a run at weekends. It's more effective for fat burning and metabolism boosting than steady state cardio but you have to work very hard albeit for not very long! I can do a very effective workout in 12 - 15 mins if Im pushed for time and feel like pushing it to the max.

Dotty342kids Fri 01-Mar-13 14:30:50

Keep at it new people! It can be done. Mind over matter and all that grin.
RLJ1874 many people find it easier not to start eating in the day as it seems to kick start your hunger somehow. The longer you can go without starting to eat, the easier it seems for many of us! Also, it means you're getting in a good 16hr or so fast of no calories before breaking that fast, and that also seems to be where the health benefits lie (although Dr M does do it like you, with a breakfast and an evening meal).
I'm on week 5 now and this week have dropped from 11.4 to 11.3 to 11.2 this morning! Am amazed as other weeks I've not moved on the scales at all. I suspect I might not be 11.2 for long so won't be disappointed if I "bounce" back up to 11.3 again in the next few days.
Total loss over (can't quite remember but think this is week 5) is therefore 5-6lbs. Slow but steady but more importantly, relatively easy!
Eating day today and have just enjoyed a lovely home made scone with jam and cream. No guilt about the wine or maltesers I intend to have tonight either!

dotty i am thrilled to find my scales have moved today also down to 10st 10 ! this is end of week 5 for me and I started at 11 2 .so I am well happy that Im down by 6 lbs. my scales came to a standstill for 2 weeks which is so disheartening when you KNOW youve not 'cheated,' which I have to admit I have done WW & SW . im going to change my fast days next week to Tues/ Fri because i have a work conference wed-thurs and that means a nice hotel lunch on 2 days. that is what I love about this WOE its versatile/ flexible and you dont have to pay anyone £5 a week to tell you' stayed the same lovie' on the scales of shame.

that was supposed to say £5 a week...bloody ipad auto correct.

done it again £5 a week !

i give up ..I think you must know I mean five pounds per week.angry

Breadandwine Fri 01-Mar-13 15:15:50

Miffy I've got a calorie counted cheese and tomato pizza recipe on the recipe thread.

At 910 cals for the whole pizza, 455c for the half, 304c for 1/3rd and 228c for a quarter, you can incorporate it into either a non-fasting day or indeed, into a fasting day!

And, using basic ingredients, the cost comes in under 70p at today's prices!

Save you looking, it's here.

Dotty342kids Fri 01-Mar-13 15:20:45

headintheclouds that's great news, well done!
Here's hoping for another good week next week and enjoy your conference treats grin

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 01-Mar-13 15:26:48

head you made me laugh I'd forgotten the scales of shame. & how it made me feel.

RLJ1874 Fri 01-Mar-13 15:36:30

Thanks for the advice Dotty I will try skipping breakfast on Sunday, maybe that will keep my hunger at bay!

I'm guessing the first fast day is always the hardest? Does anyone feel a little weak when doing their fast days?

tomorrowweeat Fri 01-Mar-13 15:50:27

TY Laurie but still can't find weekly button on MFP sad I have "My Home" at top of screen but no weekly from there.

rushka Fri 01-Mar-13 16:29:56

Hi there,
I've been dabbling in this 5:2 malarkey but can see that I'd benefit from being part of a group. My worry is that I'll turn eating days into a free-for-all, which I see in Dr M's book he says is unlikely to happen, in fact the opposite. I wondered if that has been everyone's experience and any tips for not developing a starve/binge mentality? Thanks... I think this question has been asked before, but a word of reassurance would do wonders!

I have just had a call from dp, who picks the kids up from school. They were supposed to have a cake stall at school and it didn't happen, my dd (4) was inconsolable ... until my son cheered her up with the marvellous idea of making cakes and having a cake stall at home.

So it seems that at the end of my first fast day I will come home from work and be faced with making a batch of home made cakes ... wish me luck!!

Sutinder Fri 01-Mar-13 16:37:47

Thank you for that info countryhousehotel I really need to exercise as I have too many wobbly bits. My tummy is the worst. I look pregnant the whole time. It stops me wearing nice tops. HIT is the way forward. I'm def going to give it ago.
Fast going well today. Had a cup of tea with milk about 3 today. Just about to have a bowl of homemade veggie soup which is simmering away. Then going to have an omelette later.. Early to bed. Out with friends tomorrow for a Chinese buffet, umm cant wait and copious amounts of wine to wash it down, it is the weekend after all..

greenfig Fri 01-Mar-13 17:01:31

Ooh that's tough systems Will you be able to eat first? A plate of steamed fish & veg looks delish after a fast & may help you stop inhaling cake mixgrin
sutinder I am a Jillian / shred fan too. Just be warned- the first time you attempt to go downstairs following a workout you may lose control of your legs, & sitting on the loo is agony!
Can't remember who asked, I'm a new starter but have found that so far on the days following my 500cals fast I am only eating 1000 -1200cals as my appetite is reduced. Other 3 days are are closer to my TDEE of 1850. rushka this will hopefully reassure you toosmile On my first fast day I was busy planning wahat I was having the following day with glee & then found I didn't want it.

Talkinpeace Fri 01-Mar-13 17:08:06

systemsaddict
You'll be fine.
cupcakes are generally better the following day as the icing sets properly!

Laurie
Snacking : Greeneggs was quite correct in her mind reading of me.
If you have tea and a cake, that is fine. But to stay healthy, that has to REPLACE the calories in one of your meals, not ADD to them.

WHY I HATE SNACKING
Because its the food that people miss off their food diaries
its generally highly processed
high in fat
high in salt
high in sugar
and your digestion needs a break
you do not need to eat every two hours - you manage fine at night so the same applies in the day
AND
Many of the now common bowel disorders and allergies and metabolic issues are most likely linked to our digestion constantly being bombarded with weird stuff.
SO
Cut out snacks and you will magically reduce your fat, sugar, salt and additives intake significantly
which HAS to be good for you.

greenfig Fri 01-Mar-13 17:17:44

tomorroweeat I couldn't fathom the weekly button on MFP either so had to scan back through the history & add it up. Took me far less time than trying to understand technologygrin

Miffytastic Fri 01-Mar-13 17:26:02

BreadandWine THANK YOU! DH has kindly agreed to postpone making pizza today until tomorrow,so I will recommend your recipe. I must now go and smell banana bread baking instead though ::grits teeth in hungry determination::

Hopasholic Fri 01-Mar-13 17:26:24

Hi there, thought I'd jump and brag say hello! I started 4:3 on 21st January, today I have reached my first goal and I am now ONE STONE lighter!shock
I feel so much better. I have another stone to lose before i reach my target so i will stick with the 4:3 for now.
I recognise quite a few names from the 5:2 forum which is nice and I've been hovering around and just getting so engrossed in people's stories on MN. I can't believe at the ripe old age of 42 with 2 DS's, I've never been on here. So I'm learning the lingo and one day might be daft brave enough to post something in AIBU grin

RLJ1874 Fri 01-Mar-13 17:37:52

How badly is drinking ONE can of diet coke on a fast day going to affect the day's hard work? I'm not usually a diet coke drinker but the thought of having something a bit tastier than water is tempting, especially seeing as diet coke has no calories. (I understand diet coke is still unhealthy!) Just wondered if it would really affect my fast day or not?

greenfig Fri 01-Mar-13 17:39:01

hopasholic that is brilliant! Well done yousmile

greenfig Fri 01-Mar-13 17:41:36

RL in terms of fasting not at all (or so I understand) as no cals. My view is that if it helps me to get through & stick to the cals then I'll have one. I try to limit as they are full of nasties & there have been studies that show the artificial sweeteners can heighten hunger. I guess if it works for yousmile

Talkinpeace Fri 01-Mar-13 17:42:41

RLJ
Its no calories and no solids so 'technically' not breaking your fast
but (rant alert) the regulars will tell you that I'm not the greatest fan if diet drinks .... grin

it will rlj - your body will be too busy trying to digest and deal with toxic crap in a can to be able to go about the business of burning fat and/or resting and repairing.

have a cup of herbal tea or a black coffee or something.

haven't eaten yet - water and black coffee only. going to hold off for a while longer and then go for a big bowl of baked beans with low fat grated cheese and some turkey ham shredded in i think. makes me really full and happy and ensures i go to the toilet tomorrow.

Sutinder Fri 01-Mar-13 17:55:16

swallowedafly I like your meal idea. Sounds very satisfying. I love cheesy beans piping hot.. Umm you've given me food for thought.. I've been having a lot of porridge ans soup on my fast days.

if you can last all day and like me you need to go to bed with a full happy tummy then it works well sutinder.

i'm just about to sit down to cup of marmite drink - the amount of pleasure i will get from it will be immense grin not something i'd have even considered previously.

Wishihadabs Fri 01-Mar-13 18:02:23

Feeding day for me today. Am amazed thatI don't want to eat loads and loads. Just having a normal /small amount of food. Not that hungry.

dines Fri 01-Mar-13 18:14:24

Hello everyone finished my fast day this week went over 500cals both days.. and I'm not doin so good in my feed day either Lol I'm feeling bad as I didn't complete fast days very well.. so these feed days, I'm really feeling guilty about eating wot I want and I'm not calorie counting. I had a roll for lunch filled with a bit of cheese and I've just had 2 hot cross buns and about 5 biscuits Lol.. help!

i have just spent ten minutes on my knees in the corner shop comparing the calorie content of different brands of beans. HP won. 280cals for a whole can. the low fat dutch cheese i have is 220cals per 100g. will probably use about 75g so 445 cals

i find it so so so much easier to do this as one big meal virtually at bedtime.

the marmite drink i had was so satisfying! i think from now on when i have a salt craving i'll try to have one of those first before reaching for the processed crap it usually triggers me to want.

BsshBossh Fri 01-Mar-13 19:21:02

swallowed how much Marmite do you use - a teaspoon, half, quarter? And how many calories is that Bssh feels foolish for asking about the calories in Marmite

about half a teaspoon to a teaspoon bsssh. it's tesco's own yeast extract and it says a serving is 9cals but obviously not much clue what a serving is - couldn't be much less than half a teaspoon though i'm thinking.

BsshBossh Fri 01-Mar-13 19:23:50

Great thanks swallowed. Really fancy something salty but don't necessarily want to reach for the crisps, even though it's a non-fast day.

Hasywell Fri 01-Mar-13 19:25:15

Yippee - 7th week, another 2lbs lost and that makes 13 with 5:2 and 15 altogether since Christmas! Really learning the difference between head hunger and stomach hunger which really helps on non-fast days! Am hoping that this time next week I will ne under the 12stone mark! First time for nearly 2 years!
Happy weekend all smile!

Talkinpeace Fri 01-Mar-13 19:42:42

dines
your hunger is in your head not your tummy.
^ I had a roll for lunch filled with a bit of cheese and I've just had 2 hot cross buns and about 5 biscuits Lol.. help!^
why the biscuits?
all the rest makes perfect sense so long as it was in stead of other food rather than as well as
and what is your TDEE?
are there more interesting ways to fill up?
check these out
www.waitrose.com/shop/ProductView-10317-10001-10670-Waitrose+chunky+vegetable+soup
healthy, yummy, and you'll be STUFFED after 232 calories
or this
www.waitrose.com/shop/ProductView-10317-10001-90971-essential+Waitrose+vegetable+stir+fry
FIVE of them to hit your allowance - OK three once you add in oil and chilli sauce

please trust me
go veggie / healthy on fast days and it will change your outlook on food
for the good
for ever

ELR Fri 01-Mar-13 20:41:27

Dines. You need to eat more protein all your meals are very carb heavy.
Try eggs, omlets or poached eggs on toast are great.
You could make some veg soup with lentils or try a curry with sweet potato, spinach and chickpeas.

Whoever asked about home made pizza, I made some tonight the dough was 372 calories per serving and made one pizza each slightly bigger than an ipad!

400g bread flour
1 sachet yeast
1 tablespoon extra virgin olive oil
1 rounded teaspoon sea salt
1 level teaspoon sugar
240ml warm water

Each piece of dough once risen weighed 155g

I then topped my dough with tomato sauce which I made with chopped tomato, garlic and fresh basil. Then a combo of mozzarella cheese and cheddar and various veggies. The whole pizza came in at 698 calories and was yummy.

Sorry I realise that it's not a fast day recipe but if you only ate half and served it with a massive salad it could be a 400 calorie meal.

ELR Fri 01-Mar-13 20:49:32

For those of you struggling for drinks other than water and try veg bouillon with chilli flakes and as others have suggested a marmite drink these all come in at around 10-12 calories
And instead of diet drinks try a squeeze of lime juice topped up with sparkling water san pellegrino is the nicest. I serve mine in a champagne flute with my evening meal and try to pretend its Proseco!!

catsrus Fri 01-Mar-13 21:14:20

Or o a skinny pizza dines a small wholemeal tortilla wrap for the base, smear it with tomato paste or pasta sauce, lots of low cal veg like mushrooms, pepper, artichoke hearts, some hard boiled egg, a bit of chilli, and just a light dusting of a hard cheese on top. Serve it with a large salad and you have a filling meal at around 500 cals.

This WOE works. It's not magic, it works by reducing the amount of energy we take in. if you insist on still eating things like biscuits you just have to accept that you can eat very few of them and keep to 500 cals - and you will be hungry. I have eaten biscuits, hot cross buns, fish and chips, Xmas pudding - you name it - since starting this in August - and I have lost 2 st. That's because none of these form the core of my diet. My normal diet is healthy and based round vegetables not carbs. it includes long periods of no food and it also includes treats (and the occasional blow out).

You can eat whatever you want - but many of us have found that what we want to eat has changed.

CorrieDale Fri 01-Mar-13 21:41:11

Arana, I've always had a pot belly. It's now shifting, I think because of the exercise I do. Namely Taekwon do, Pilates, and high intensity circuits. It's a cheaper and healthier option than liposuction (and safer!) but takes time to generate results. I'm also hoping that 5:2 will dissolve enough fat so my abs can perk out!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 01-Mar-13 21:53:13

I have not stopped eating today. & it's all greed I really blame laska her delicious aubergine & chickpea curry was do divine that I've eaten it all up plus the gluten free spaghetti & pesto I had actually made for dinner.

The curry was being batch cooked to be frozen for the next couple of fast days! Well now it's in my rather large stomach. Along with a chana sag recipe I was given on another thread which has come in at around 500 calories but it included butter & sunflower oil. I really have gone back to my bad old ways! Going to chalk it up to experience & not cook things in advance as that clearly doesn't work for me.

It wouldn't be so bad but I've had breakfast & lunch on top of all that today (& I've been eating marmalade out of the jar). How disgusting is that blush. I've become a secret eater again. Well tomorrow is another day, can't fast till Monday because of medication. Ill just try to be more restrained....

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 01-Mar-13 21:59:30

laska sorry meant to add that it's all tongue in cheek! Not your fault obviously curry was just to yum to resist! grin

BetsyVanBell Fri 01-Mar-13 22:21:18

Aftereights Awww sad I tell you what though, everyone seems to be raving about laska's recipe - I must try it... but not all of it at once. The problem with freezing things is that (paraphrasing Nigella from one of her books) it feels like you've mentally eaten that meal every time you open the freezer and loses attraction. So yes, best to stick with cooking little and often for some of us. Was the chana sag good? I love chickpeas and spinach - wondering how the recipe you mention compares with mine (linky puleease?)

I know things have gone awry for me when I start furtively eating nutella out the jar with a spoon.

I've been completely exhausted this afternoon evening and instead of the delicious roasted veg leftovers with salad I just ended up eating the kid's horrible pizza and an awful lot of supermarket garlic bread. Feel totally, bloated, grossed out and dehydrated from all the salt, not a brilliant combo with the exhaustion sad

snoworneahva Fri 01-Mar-13 22:31:00

Dines - its not the most nutritionally sound feed day but you know that already, we all have blips, just move on and try to eat less sugar tomorrow and some green veg!- it really does help to keep treat food out of the house. If you want them then you need to make a special trip out to buy them.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 01-Mar-13 22:43:56

Thanks BVB you made me laugh! chana sag recipe

I kept trying both dishes to decide which one was my fave (they are both fairly similar) & they came out as equal. They were so good! Before i knew it they were gone. one thing in my favour i split the chickpeas & tomatoes between the dishes.

Think it might be TOM soon which might explain my bingeing today grin

Breadandwine Fri 01-Mar-13 22:44:41

LOL, after8! I'm laughing in sympathy!

I made a large vegan quiche - leek and mushroom, with a little vegan cheese - which was supposed to feed four. Well, I ate a quarter for dinner (with loads of oven chips) - but getting it out of the dish so I could divide it up, just now, I've managed to nibble away at it until there's only half of it left!

I had a large lunch - two chunks of bread from the freezer, rather than my usual one.

It's not a fasting day, so it's no big deal - but I have to tell you, if there were biscuits in the house, I'd be tucking in right now. As it is, I'm eyeing up the remains of the quiche! grin

We have to remain vigilant - we're only ever one step away from a binge!

ELR Fri 01-Mar-13 22:58:22

I've just ha a mini magnum so gone over my tdee today but only by 200 so not too bad!!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 01-Mar-13 22:58:36

B&W I can resist the biscuits but I can still hear the marmalade calling me from the fridge & I'm now in bed! Luckily I've had 2 fast days this week so if I maintain this week ill be happy. Not sure i could resist a good quiche though.....

I am really hoping that next week's fasts are going to be easier when I am not working...

Am exhausted! Having hot water at the moment to try and stave off the cold and hunger pangs.

Have saved some calories for a proper cup of tea before bed! grin

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 01-Mar-13 23:40:47

Yes it gets easier.

& bingeing explained as TOM has arrived....

aftereights I think I might be suffering a little with that too - although I have the implant I feel bloated and my boobs are very tender. So no bleeding but the other symptoms apparently!

I think I am going to have to cut sugar in my tea on feed days - two seems way too sweet! grin

charliegreentea Sat 02-Mar-13 03:49:59

Marking my place

countryhousehotel Sat 02-Mar-13 05:22:20

Sutinder you'd be amazed how effectively you can work out at home without any equipment. If you google "homeworkouts" or even "homeworkouts for mums" you'll find hundreds of sites with loads of great videos and workouts. The 2 that got me started after ds was born were Mutu System and Fit Healthy Moms. They both sell online programmes but there's plenty of free stuff on there too (if you can't find all their vids on the websites look for their youtube channels and facebook pages). Even if they use equipment in the exercises and you don't have it, you can always modify until you feel the need to buy some kit (I now have a veritable arsenal of fitness equipment!).

ok weird stuff.

i ended up eating more last night - i ended up having 1200cals total but only over a few hours.

this morning i have lost another 2lbs.

in 5 days i've lost 4.4lbs and only managed one 500cal day but i've religiously stuck to this nothing in the day but water and black coffee and pretty much the 20hrs fasting 4hrs eating routine.

30 days - 9.2lbs lost.

for those who are getting stuck i can really recommend trying out the 20/4. if it continues this way i may not actually need to have 500cal days but just stick to 20/4 on week days and have at least 3 of them as under bmr. that's what i've done this week and it has fallen off.

maybe this is a freaky one off or maybe it works for now but won't when i'm closer to my goal weight or maybe it's just because i'm (sorry for tmi) but really getting to stop carrying backlogs of food around in my bowel. i don't know but this week has been good.

i think for now i'm going to do 20/4 in the week and 16/8 on weekend days and see what happens. only 5 days into doing this and over 4lbs down confused but i'll take it.

am now 11.4.8 and hoping getting under the 11 won't be too far away.

i am going to dare to say this aloud to try and dare to even imagine it is possible: i would like to be 9stone.

ErikNorseman Sat 02-Mar-13 07:38:13

envy
I'm 12 stone again today, but I would like to know where that random 3lb came from. Never mind, onward and downward.

but erik don't [green] at me! take hope from it! because i had exactly the same as you last week and for about 10-12 days actually. i put 2lbs on and couldn't shift it - i went up and then got stuck.

keep going and the same will happen for you i bet. and you will owe me a drink for being right grin

damn it's envy not [green]

seriously 2 weeks in i was 11st7 and over the moon then i went up to 11st9.2 for no reason and spent 10 days bouncing between that and 11.8.8. then suddenly this week one fast day took me to 11.6.8 and this morning i'm 11.4.8. i don't know what that pause was about because i did three fasts and was good. nor do i really know why it is magically shifting now or if it will last

keep faith - this isn't all linear logic going on - our bodies are doing their thing.

mehefin Sat 02-Mar-13 07:47:42

I have been following these threads for a while and 5:2 for 5 weeks now ( 9lbs lost). I just want to say a big THANK YOU to you all.
I had to work an extra night this week,so moved my 2nd fast to friday. Woke up feeling grim but remembered someone on hear saying 'will eating make you feel better?' So I kept going with fennel tea.
Then had to go out at 3 and knew there would be cakes and biscuits around .I remembered the mushroom and bouillon soup so made some before I went and I was fine til I got home ready for my veg and small portion of lamb and leek.
So thank you all for helping me through my fast day - it's the little tips that make a difference

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sat 02-Mar-13 08:20:38

Well after my bingeing yesterday I'm back up to 11.2.2! I actually thought it would be more especially as its TOM. So quite pleased with that.

I would so like to get to the elusive 11 stone precisely or even better 10 something. Id like to be able to say ive lost 3&half stone instead of almost 3&half. if that makes sense. Also I've not been 10 anything for almost 15 years!

ErikNorseman Sat 02-Mar-13 08:39:56

I'm keeping the faith! And tracking my eating days on mfp so I can aim not to exceed 2000 a day.

Minimammoth Sat 02-Mar-13 08:41:09

Marking place, my ds has announced his wedding in October. That's IT, motivation, I def need to drop a stone before then.

Sutinder Sat 02-Mar-13 08:45:56

OMG...got to share... First week in and I am 4lbs down. I can't believe it, I'm ecstatic. I save all my calories for the evening and go to sleep on a happy tummy...swallowedafly I took your recipe for the baked beans, was so yummy and emptied bowels in the morning, thank you for that.... Off out to work now with a smug face. Have a great day everyone..

I did it ... ate veggie chilli over lettuce before baking cakes with the kids last night and got through my first fast day! I was exhausted in the evening but cat woke me up at 4.30 and I was so awake I got up and got a couple of hours work in before the kids got up (and ate one of the cakes of course!) ... Even weirder, TOM arrived today (have implant so it's completely unpredictable) and I had none of my normal carb cravings or mood swings yesterday while fasting. Interesting!

Dotty342kids Sat 02-Mar-13 09:14:01

Swallowedafly and Sutinder that's great news from you both! So inspiring to log on and read things like that.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sat 02-Mar-13 09:29:56

mini that's so exciting. Nothing like an incentive to help kick start a new regime!

BsshBossh Sat 02-Mar-13 09:37:33

swallowed good news about the weight loss. But I'm curious - how are your calories averaging out over the week - how many calories are you, approx, eating per day, what's your calorie deficit at the end of the week? Sorry for all the question but I was wondering whether you are actually now eating quite low calories compared to simple 5:2 (500 cals x 2 days, TDEE x 5 days).

Breadandwine Sat 02-Mar-13 10:12:11

Swallowedafly check out 'Fast-5' - it's a 19hr fast followed by a 5hr eating window. It sounds as if you're doing something similar.

Here is a TED talk on the subject.

BetsyVanBell Sat 02-Mar-13 10:13:22

Saf On the other thread TiP mentioned that her uber-fit previously 5:2ing (I think) yoga teacher now eats 800 calories during a small daily window 4 days a week - sounds similar to what you're naturally doing. Keep at it if it suits you and is working smile

Breadandwine Sat 02-Mar-13 11:09:22

Just reading through that TEDx talk (not TED as I said previously) and found a great line I thought I'd share:

'For years slogans like “breakfast is the most important meal of the day” have fueled food sales. That’s advertising, not science. The truth is that breakfast is only the most important meal of the day for corporations like Kelloggs and General Mills. grin

(My italics.)

Breadandwine Sat 02-Mar-13 11:18:20

Just posted a 'cheese sauce' recipe on the recipe thread - 125 calories and very tasty!

i have no idea bssh - i refuse to track calories day in, day out - it would bleed my soul i'm afraid.

doubt i'm having extremely low cal. i had alcohol 3 times this week (5 days) - a bottle of wine at home over that time and one large one in the pub. i have eaten snickers bars and peanuts and i had takeaway cheeseburger and fries and some pizza one night. all i've done is eaten in a smaller window and one 500cal day. a couple of the nights might have been lower (like last night was about 1200 cals so under my bmr) and monday night when i gave in and ate would have been similar or a bit more i think.

so i guess i've had one 500cal day, 2 under bmr days and 2 at least my tdee days but with the common theme being the small eating window.

i roughly added stuff up in my head and i don't think i'd have much of a calorie deficit and certainly not enough to equate to 4.4lbs in 5 days. it's the timing rather than the calories as far as i can tell.

basically every day my body has had time to run on fat and nothing else. my fat percentage is down and my muscle up and water the same (i know not massively reliable on home scales but you can see a pattern with them) so it's definitely the fat that has gone.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 02-Mar-13 11:39:32

I've just done my weekly weigh-in.

Lost 4 pounds and 1% body fat this week grin Plus an inch off my waist.

THANK GOD FOR THAT.

I was starting to die a little inside after last weeks maintaining.

Today is a fast day. I'm getting my hair done. Nothing else to report. How are you lovely ladies? (and gents).

Laska42 Sat 02-Mar-13 12:20:04

So glad so many of you like my Aubergine spinach and chick pea curry!

If you've not tried it yet , do, its seriously Yum! as after8s found out!! grin

not keen on aubergine but i used to make a spinach and chick pea curry, make depressions in the top and break eggs into them to poach. was yum and probably not high calorie. maybe a bit of alternative for non aubergine fans.

Laska42 Sat 02-Mar-13 12:24:14

aftereights (I posted this on the Maintenance Board but here again just so you see this message.

I'm so glad you liked the curry! (though if you ate the lot I'm also glad I wasn't sharing a bedroom with you wink) - it was probably only about 700/ 800 the whole recipe.. I was generous in counting the calories) .. Next time just remember it really does taste nicer the next day!!

Re: feeling that you might be becoming a 'secret eater' again .. dont beat yourself up too much ...we all do it sometimes but this WOE means that we really dont have to do that anymore because it is not a diet! . So chalk it up as being an eating day and jump back in . . But I suppose the way I'm now finally looking at it , is " if I can have it tomorrow , why am I thinking of cheating myself out of today's fasting benefits? Of course as I'm human that doesn't always work, but I also feel that not only am I self sabotaging and for what? , so I can just feel cr*p about myself? but also (sorry if this sounds a bit soppy) because its not just about me - you lot are now my community , and so I'm not just cheating myself .. Does that make sense?

Laska42 Sat 02-Mar-13 12:27:16

swallowedafly and other people who dont like Aubergine.. you could try putting in butternut squash instead as a low cal alternative , (I don't like BNS!!) or mushrooms?

BsshBossh Sat 02-Mar-13 12:45:06

swallowed the because you're eating in a smaller window of time, your body must be burning fat (in the absence of glycogen) I think. This is terrific! It's definitely something I will think about too now smile Well done!

i reckon it's got to be that bssh. i think this whole 3000cals = a pound of fat business might work perfectly in a test tube but it's never the way i've lost or gained weight. our bodies are far from test tubes.

i also suspect drinking black coffee has had something to do with it and have found stuff that supports that idea but you know how the internet is. you can find evidence to support anything if you're googling for it.

virginposter Sat 02-Mar-13 14:24:30

B&W once again you've come up trumps with the TEDx talk linked above. It looks very interesting and I've just downloaded the Fast-5 ebook to read at my leisure. Isn't it amazing how many variants of IF there are and how, if we seek and learn, there will always be another one to try. The exciting thing is that eventually on the maintenance it should be easy with all this knowledge available and people like you to find it for us. Thanks grin

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sat 02-Mar-13 14:28:47

Thanks laska I've been far more sensible (so far) today put my blip yesterday to TOM. Luckily for him dh was out last night!

Breadandwine Sat 02-Mar-13 15:16:56

Thanks, VP - we've all been agreed for a while now, just how flexible this WOL is - and I'm continually surprised myself just how many variations there are.

And they all seem to give the same benefits!

It all comes back to the theory of hormesis - put something under stress, and it becomes stronger!

ellenbrody Sat 02-Mar-13 15:34:30

Your posts are so interesting swallowed - they ring true for me re: pattern of weight loss (and also the constipation unfortunately!). I lost 1lb the first week (low bmi), put 1.5 ON the next and lost 3lb the next - go figure!

Laska42 Sat 02-Mar-13 15:35:10

Yes I agree B&W .. For those who havent seen the link on the hints and tips thread yet . I do recommend you check out the Getting Stronger website.
a good start point is the video talk on IF here

Dotty342kids Sat 02-Mar-13 16:32:55

blackmaryjane I'm so pleased for you, that's great news! Keep up the good work and work on eating good healthy food, with some treats on your eating days!

BlackMaryJanes Sat 02-Mar-13 16:52:27

Thanks Dotty. I was starting to lose hope, but hope is restored smile

Are you fasting today?

sausages51 Sat 02-Mar-13 17:08:46

after I know you're thinking badly of yourself re: secret eating, but your post really made me laugh out loud,esp. Eating marmalade from the jar ! Revolting but funny. It's so good to connect with real people who are JUST LIKE ME! I am such a secret eater I hide it from myself! How funny is that?! X

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sat 02-Mar-13 17:33:17

Now you see if dh had been home I would never have risked eating marmalade from the jar in case he saw me. Bit worrying that I actually did that as he goes away an awful lot often for a week at a time. Having said that I've not done secret eating for a quite a while so I'm going to promise myself & all of you that I will not do that again. laska is so right about the community thing.

& yes this is about real people & not some jobs worth taking my money every week to say you still weigh the same!

BlackMaryJanes Sat 02-Mar-13 17:56:51

Have you guys watched the show 'secret eaters'? You should grab a slot on that grin

Minimammoth Sat 02-Mar-13 17:57:45

Hi Everybody. After a week of being a bit indulgent. Starting Monday with getting weighed and fast. Eating as I feel like it till then. Will also look up some of the recipes. Till then wine cheers

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sat 02-Mar-13 18:02:22

Well I wouldn't have got to 14&half stone if I hadn't been a secret & not so secret eater!

Sutinder Sat 02-Mar-13 18:53:43

OMG...secret eating was so me... I used to hide the kids treats so I could eat them.. How funny

Sutinder Sat 02-Mar-13 18:55:56

Cheers minimammoth I'm off out for a Chinese and drinkies

BlackMaryJanes Sat 02-Mar-13 19:31:03
BlackMaryJanes Sat 02-Mar-13 19:45:04

ooops. wrong thread

BlackMaryJanes Sat 02-Mar-13 21:40:08
Talkinpeace Sat 02-Mar-13 21:50:11

BMJ
I'm not too worried by that - compared with much of American news, that is a model of rational reporting.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 02-Mar-13 21:57:35

It's making out that you can eat loads of crap on non-fast days. I believed that media-hype and it fucked my body. I'm sure Mosley doesn't care though. It sells his book.

Talkinpeace Sat 02-Mar-13 22:02:32

Thing is that America is very odd food wise - people are aither thin or fat, very few in between. I suspect that 5:2 could actually do real good there. And fear not, forums will pop up and set them right.

Breadandwine Sat 02-Mar-13 22:08:39

Great link, BMJ! Thanks - do you want to put it on the Tips and Links thread?

However, I think you're being a little harsh on Dr M - nowhere is it mentioned that you can eat as much as you want on your non-fast days, just what you want.

For anyone checking out that link, the videos just keep on coming - I got up to the third one before leaving the page. I'll have to go back and see how much more there is.

jimbob79 Sat 02-Mar-13 22:30:08

Hi All...i'm a dad not a mum....Ok for me to join you???
i've been on 5:2 for last 3 weeks ago am already feeling benefits! weigh in today was 10lb lighter then 3weeks ago! feeling great (greater clarity of ming and more get up and go!) and looking forward to fast days....great WOL

Sutinder Sat 02-Mar-13 22:31:58

Back after a night of food and wine... Not even going to say what I've eaten.... Semi fast tomorrow. Back in control on Monday I think x

Talkinpeace Sat 02-Mar-13 22:35:05

Jimbob
welcome : we have many men on this thread
BreadandWine is going to be a grandad in the summer grin

Sutinder
that is the trick - strict on a mondy, sane all week, chillax at the weekend

Breadandwine Sat 02-Mar-13 22:37:15

Hi jimbob - I'm not a mum either, I'm a granddad! grin

Welcome to the threads - great that it's going so well for you!

BlackMaryJanes Sat 02-Mar-13 22:44:19

Perhaps I am being harsh on Mosley, but here's my beef:

This 'diet' (his word) isnt that revolutionary. its basically calorie counting under a different name. Eat your TDEE and fast 2 days. big wow. of course you'll lose weight because of the overall deficit. whats the big deal?

Of course theres the health benefits, but this DIET is being sold as first and foremost a weightloss plan.

And why the worship of mosley for creating the diet. he didn't create IF! People had been doing it for ages before mosley did horizon.

Breadandwine Sat 02-Mar-13 22:44:44

X posted, TiP!

Grandchildren - I've got three already and, as you say, one more coming in the summer!

Sutinder I had 3/4 of a pizza for dinner, and now I can hear the leftover quarter calling my name! smile

And as you say, we can regain control on Monday...

Talkinpeace Sat 02-Mar-13 22:50:07

BMJ
and breathe

Mosely gets the credit for the very simple reason that he did a series of programmes for Horizon, culminating in the fasting one in August

lots of people decided to "give it a go" based on the programme
and lots of us found it worked.

When he was writing the book and the website there was definitely two way communication between him and the early threads on here
which he has openly credited.
Several of us are name checked on his website

yeah, he's cashing in, but at least HIS book keeps it simple.

keirahmum Sat 02-Mar-13 23:05:47

BMJ been lurking here for ages - thanks to all for all advice but thought you had secret crush on MM?

catsrus Sat 02-Mar-13 23:08:37

I'm with TiP on this - Dr M took the research, digested it, and presented it in a way that was easy to implement. Cudos. I've read the "2 day diet" book which is also based on IF and I find it dull and hard to penetrate - and by profession I am a scientist - well used to reading research smile.

Its not about worshiping Dr M - just giving credit where it's due. I would not have tried this WOE unless I had seen the Horizon programme in August because I don't do "cranky diets" and I would have assumed this WOE was "cranky" because I had internalised the lies sold to us by the food industry about breakfast etc.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 02-Mar-13 23:12:36

Oh I do have a crush on him (would have his babies, etc, etc). Speaking of which, you say he's done several doccumentaries leading to horizon? Are they on youtube? I fancy a perv.

Anyway, my point still stands. this diet is calorie counting under the guise of "OMFG I can eat burgers!!!!!"

keirahmum Sat 02-Mar-13 23:19:50

I don't see the problem it works - after years of dieting ( all types including. Atkins ) it works - I've lost 10.5 pounds in 6 weeks - love it smile

BetsyVanBell Sat 02-Mar-13 23:30:10

An interesting and entertaining essay on not eating breakfast, in case any of you needed further convincing wink.

But I have found, in my first week, that I don't want to overeat on my eating days. But I know that if I did have a bit of binge it would not be the end of the world new me.

<hopeful>

Breadandwine Sun 03-Mar-13 00:08:01

Blimey, Betsy, that's one hell of an essay! I've been reading it for about 15 minutes and I've only just reached the comments - 92 of them!

It more or less accords with my findings - I'm only eating breakfast about 3/4 days per week, now, and I've been thinking for a while that it's a redundant meal. The truth is that I don't wake up hungry in the morning - and, judging by these threads, neither do the great majority of posters!

As the article says, anyone who eats when they're not hungry is some sort of fool - well, that just about describes most of Western society. But it doesn't have to be that way!

BMJ just had a quick look at Dr M's book - although his book is marketed as a 'diet', the first chapter is solely about the science behind fasting, and quotes all the scientists he met. And it's hardly his fault if all the commentators wish to give him sole credit for inventing this WOL. I've never heard him say that.

BetsyVanBell Sun 03-Mar-13 00:21:09

B&W I'm coming round to that way of thinking definitely. What I'm now trying to fathom is how best to feed my kids in the morning. I have one who is most insistent on cereal; I object to the stuff wholeheartedly and yet I still buy it. The other is perhaps veering towards not being a breakfast eater - though I will insist on it until he's a heck of a lot older but I feel conflicted about it. But he's into eating a good variety of things at least. I might try and see if the cereal eater would eat cold boiled egg slices in the morning, he's such a carb addict he could do with the additional protein intake too.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 03-Mar-13 00:56:50

BMJ that's not it entirely, though. It's also the fact that we don't need to "keep eating to keep our metabolism going" and other "facts" which we're sold on other eating plans. Always eat breakfast. Eat small meals often. etc.

For some of us, we'd rather not feel as if we need to eat breakfast, for example. Being able to spend calories at the times we'd like to is appealing, and while you say it's not revolutionary, it's certainly contrary to most diets out there at the moment.

We were relieved to see someone say that not only was it okay to skip a meal, but indeed it also could have health benefits, in addition to weight loss.

You don't have to be amazed by the concept. smile However, my entire life I've just seen the eat breakfast/ lots of small meals/ eat low fat mantras, and this one is the easiest to follow by far. (I'm skipping all the low-carb variations in my examples, not trying to snub those who can do that long term, but I am not one of them!)

countryhousehotel Sun 03-Mar-13 06:57:09

GreenEggs exactly, and the appealing thing for me is that nothing is excluded and there are no rules other than the fasting days and not exceeding TDEE too often. Simple. No penalty for eating healthy fats or wholegrain carbs. I consider my diet to be healthy (now) but according to MFP I'm going over the fat grams every day...I couldn't care less because it's all healthy good fats (hemp oil, flax oil, avocado, nuts etc) and it keeps me feeling full.

I didn't think MM was researching IF for weight loss primarily or am I wrong? I thought it was more to do with reducing disease and cancer risk and also improving longevity etc?

hmr2012 Sun 03-Mar-13 07:39:44

Hi all

New to mumsnet (and I'm not a mum but a dad to an 8 month old) Found this thread (and the previous pages) after seeing Dr M on the Sarah Millican show a few weeks ago and liked the sound of the 5:2. Like many here I've never been fond of breakfast and often went hours in the day before eating and had read about the benefits of full-blown fasting before but lacked the self discipline to do it.

Just wanted to say that I started doing my own version of Slimming World on the 1st Jan and admittedly I did well by losing a good stone and a half in a month (I have a lot of weight to lose so it comes off quickly at the start) but as I live on my own now (recently divorced) I found SW to be expensive and time consuming as it was constant cooking. The appeal of 5:2 for me was being able to eat what I liked on my non-fast days and then plan my fast days round my 600 calorie allowance. Like others on here I've found the fast days to be the easiest and tend to worry that I'm eating the 'wrong' things on non-fast days although the stone and a half I've lost since the 1st Feb since doing 5:2 must mean that I'm doing something right lol.

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for all the positive messages on here, they really are a source of inspiration and I read this thread every day so wanted to just say hello and maybe contribute a bit from time to time, I hope that's OK.

BetsyVanBell Sun 03-Mar-13 07:58:53

hmr Welcome smile I think there's quite a few people who only arrived at mumsnet via these threads, I know I'm one of them. Wow, you've lost 3 stone since 1st Jan then, very impressive, congratulations! Don't you just love how cheap & easy this WOE is?

Hi everyone, still interested by my energy levels after first day fasting Friday. After getting up at 4.30 Saturday I was fine to keep going all day; then woke up today at 5.30 and could get straight on with things. Even without any weight loss, if this is fast related it is worth keeping going with it! Have also watched the Horizon programme now - very persuasive.

hmr2012 Sun 03-Mar-13 08:14:45

BetsyVanBell - yes, definitely!... I thought the SW principles made sense but it was so expensive cooking from scratch all the time and being by myself I was spending a stupid amount of money on cooking for one. The 5:2 lets me eat relatively normally and up to now has shown a consistent weight loss. 3 stone gone since January doing both SW and 5:2 but I do have plenty to lose and this was my last chance of doing it by myself before I looked at bariatric (?) surgery as I hit 40 last year and realised that I can't carry on being the size I am especially now that I'm a daddy...

charliegreentea Sun 03-Mar-13 08:15:51

Hi everyone. It's Sunday evening here and I'm feeling a tad guilty as I've over indulged this weekend! Does anyone else find it hard to keep on the straight and narrow over the weekend? I'm thinking of changing my fast days to Mon and Fri, with three sensible days in the middle and hopefully less indulgence on Sat and Sun. A few weeks ago I fasted Mon and Fri and found I wasn't at all hungry on Sat and was quite sensible all weekend long, so hopefully by making Fri a fast day I will be less inclined to indulge my sweet tooth! I'm down 9 pounds in 6 weeks - pretty happy with these results considering I have mostly been feasting on my non-fast days. Best wishes to everyone for the week ahead!

charliegreentea Sun 03-Mar-13 08:34:12

HMR, well done on the weight loss! I agree - fast days are easy but I do tend worry about what I'm eating on non-fast days! I'm not calorie counting on normal days, but the weight is coming off, so it's a step in the right direction. I also have a fair amount to lose. My aim is to be at a normal BMI, fitter, healthier and more energetic by the end of the year...

countryhousehotel Sun 03-Mar-13 09:33:18

SW must have changed since I did it a few years ago. I was shocked at the amount of processed crap they peddled...all that splenda and convenience foods!

Morning all!

Today is an eating and no exercise day so I'm vegetating!

I have just bought one of the body analyser scales and my weight on them is 152.3lbs and I have 30.6% body fat and 55% body water

They are similar to my 'normal' old scales on the weight front - started fasting on Wed at 155lbs so almost 3lbs gone in a few days (yes!!!)

Very much enjoying this woe and feel almost euphoric on my fast days - in control and virtuous and (TMI) horny!!

Monday,Wednesday and Friday are my fast days and hopefully this week should be longer fasts and shorter days as I'm not working.

Congratulations to everyone on doing so well!

ellenbrody Sun 03-Mar-13 10:02:58

Betsy - just read the whole article, very interesting. I don't have breakfast on fast days and seem to have veered to not having it on other days as well as I'm just not hungry.
Interestingly, it's the way I always ate as a teenager, but then I started to believe the 'most important meal of the day' hype.
I had breakfast this morning, even though I wasn't hungry, 2 pieces of homemade white bread and butter (over 400 cals) and NOW I feel hungry!

BlackMaryJanes Sun 03-Mar-13 10:35:30

charliegreentea When you say 'indulge', what do you mean exactly? (Sorry, I'm not being pedantic - one person's 'indulge' is another's 'moderation').

ChocolateFondant Sun 03-Mar-13 10:41:26

Hi I've been reading all the threads so thought I'd better say hello.
Been doing 5:2 for 5 weeks now. It's much easier than I thought it would be. Losing weight slowly, about half a kilo a week but that's fine as its down not up.
Thanks for the information you all share it all helps.
Oh and charliegreentea I too pig out on weekends. It's Sunday night here and I sooooo don't want to see the scales tomorrow!!

dines Sun 03-Mar-13 10:42:33

Hi all good news for me today, despite my off days and goin over 500 cals on my fast days I have lost 3lb. Feeling really happy about that and excited to start again next week.

ChocolateFondant Sun 03-Mar-13 10:43:45

Sorry charliegreentea you did say indulge not pig out.

Laska42 Sun 03-Mar-13 10:46:44

well I thought the video was Ok actually, and it was good that they highlighted DR M rather than all the other hangers on who jumped in quick with books books ..

ErikNorseman Sun 03-Mar-13 10:56:52

I'm not having breakfast today! shock yesterday I had a huge 600 cals breakfast of two fried egg baps (yum) but I'm going out for lunch today so just thought why not wait? This is the first time I have done this on an eating day. Am I having a breakthrough?

PassTheSherry Sun 03-Mar-13 11:06:22

How on earth do you keep within your calorie limits on fast days? I'm struggling - a quarter of my TDEE is 425. I haven't managed to keep within the limit yet - for the first two I think I was about 100cals over. For the third attempt, it completely went by the wayside in the evening and I ended up giving up and eating junk! Perhaps I wasn't in the right frame of mind, but it seemed so much harder this time.

None the less, perhaps because of the first two fast days, and because it was TOTM, I am 5lbs lighter this week. I think it must be water retention though as I always fluctuate by up to 7lbs or so then. I think I need to sort out the evening hunger cravings or it will be straight back up by next week.

RLJ1874 Sun 03-Mar-13 11:08:50

Thanks greenfig talkinpeace and swallowed for the advice on the diet coke. I had one, but will try in future to avoid it smile

After my first fast day on Friday, I thought I would be really hungry but it was the opposite. I wasn't very hungry and ended up eating much smaller amounts. Liking the benefits already, and it's only been one day! My next fast day is tomorrow.

Good luck to everyone fasting today!

ErikNorseman Sun 03-Mar-13 11:12:44

Pass the sherry, I find it easy if I limit how many cups of tea with milk I have to two-3, and drink lots of fizzy water and hot water with lemon. Then I save all my eating for an evening meal. I think you should work on the basis of 500 cals not 425 tbh. Fasting is easy if you want to do it, hard/impossible if you don't. Like giving up smoking smile so you need to sort the head out before the body follows.

BlackMaryJanes Sun 03-Mar-13 11:24:50

Awesome weight loss dines

frenchfancy Sun 03-Mar-13 11:49:56

Heavens, I don't post for a couple of days and you are already pages into a new thread!

I had our big birthday bash (for DSis not me) last night. I didn't eat much of the buffet but did drink a lot . I am feeling worse for wear this morning and am looking forward to getting home and fasting again. I'm going to avoid the scales until next Friday. Hopefully I won't have done too much damage.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 03-Mar-13 12:07:00

PassTheSherry please just go with the 500 calories. smile

I really regret mentioning the 1/4 of TDEE thing. I only used it to explain to someone with a high TDEE that it wouldn't be the end of the world if she went slightly over 500.

Several people on this thread would be eating below 500 calories on fast days if they strictly followed the 1/4 thing.

I'll explain again: the original concept was to completely fast on fast days, so eat nothing. However, that's very difficult for many people, so they had to come up with an acceptable low amount of calories which would still constitute a fast. They decided on 500 for women and 600 for men, and this was based on being 1/4 of the average TDEE for those groups.

There is no need to kill yourself trying to reach 400 calories on a fast day. smile Just go with 500.

cardiffmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 12:10:52

Just checking in! Restarted 5:2 last Monday after a 2 week break during which I gained 5lbs blush. But have had a good week and enjoying being back on this WOE. The good news is that i weighed myself this morning and have lost the 5lbs!! Yippee!! grin

well done cardiffmummy!

Fast day for me today, seemed easier than doing it tomorrow as I've had plenty to eat over the last few days and I'm home today doing nothing in particular. Off to make mushroom soup now!

After 9 days of 5:2 I have lost 6.5cm in total including 2cm off my waist grin

PassTheSherry Sun 03-Mar-13 13:08:57

Thanks ErikNorseman - I think on my next fast day I will try hot water with lemon as a drink, instead of coffee and veg bouillon. Could save a few calories there.

Also GreenEggs thanks for that - I have a tendency to feel like I've failed/cheated if I haven't done something by the book - it's pretty irrational, I know. The danger is I then feel like giving up if I've consistently 'failed' in my head, so it's nice to have someone talk some sense into me!

I do want this to work as it's about the one WOE that doesn't feel impossible, long-term.

It would be so nice to go clothes shopping and actually buy stuff I look great in - my old pre-kids wardrobe doesn't fit anymore, as I've gained several stones. My wardrobe atm consists of jeans, trainers and shapeless fleecey jumpers. At the moment I hate looking at myself in photographs, and usually am the one taking them. If someone else is behind the camera, I make sure I'm standing behind someone else if there's a group/family photo.

I was looking at a bunch of family photos the other day, loads of the kids, and realised there are hardly any of me with them, cos of my self-consciousness. Really don't want them to grow up and have no images of me looking active, happy, relaxed and playing with them when they were little...

Feels like I could be at the start of a journey. smile

BlackMaryJanes Sun 03-Mar-13 13:27:46

Does anyone know where I can watch the BBC4 documentary 'Inside Michael Mosley'? [insert pervy face here]

PassTheSherry Sun 03-Mar-13 13:59:06

Omg did I really just say "could be at the start of a journey"? Bleurgh. And Cringe. blush

Dotty342kids Sun 03-Mar-13 14:34:59

A rather heavy eating weekend as had visitors and, as usual, my DS wanted to bake a cake (sticky ginger cake, yummy!). Fish and chips yesterday plus a chicken leg / mash type lunch today. However, will be having home made soup with some bread for tea and then fast day tomorrow. I really look forward to my Monday fast days now as feel it gets rid of some of the toxins and carbs that I consume over the weekend!
Mon and Fri this week for me and may throw in a half fast day on Wednesday too eg. no breakfast or lunch but a "normal" dinner, as opposed to a 500 cal one, and see what happens.

BlackMaryJanes Sun 03-Mar-13 14:43:55

Dotty Sounds like a plan. How often do you weigh yourself?

Skinnyeye Sun 03-Mar-13 14:45:56

Hi all and yes you did Sherry and yes you could be (if you want to that is grin) I just realised today that I have been fasting for 6 months and have totally changed my life. I feel better than I have felt in years am exercising, eating well and looking after myself and have also lost over 2 stones and gone from size 16 to 12 (almost but not quite a 10!!) and just completed C25K week 6!!

My weigh loss stalled as I approached target (10 stone) but has started again and I am back to losing a pound a week. The best thing about it is that I normally lose weight in the summer months and gain over the winter so getting to my new target (9 and a half stone) should be easy and for the first time in my life I am confident that I can maintain a healthy weight and lifestyle.

To all the "Old Guys" thanks for your support on my journey and to all the new guys play around with it until you find a way that works for you.

Fast day today and have a lovely fillet steak marinating for dinner because I'm worth it grin happy Sunday

notapizzaeater Sun 03-Mar-13 14:52:09

I fasted yesterday and had some smoked haddock for my tea last night (fighting cat and dog off !!) ith a packet of Melba toasts (fab tip btw - quick easy and gives me the crunch factor) and that's it - so 260 ish calories, saved the calories in case wanted something when DH nibbled but wasn't hungry so didn't grin

Got up this morning and it totm time which is odd as I have been calm and sane last week - not known for my patience the week before confused

Wasn't hungry first thing so lasted till 2 when I made everyone sausages, I just had one dry in a slice of bread. Even though I know I can eat more I just don't want to, I'm not hungry/peckish

Weigh in tomorrow so fingers crossed !

hello.

bit of an excessive night last night - alcohol rather than 'food' but scales were fine this morning and i'd held steady. have just had a marmite drink and am off to my sister's for dinner in an hour - my lovely nephew is cooking chicken and leek pie with roast potatoes and veg so a nice calorie laden plateful coming up grin i actually feel quite confident that that is fine though.

have stuck to 16/8 over weekend and will go back to 20/4 or thereabouts in the week. may do 500 days or may not. kind of experimenting at the minute.

welcome to all the newcomers - especially those with encouraging weight loss stories smile

Bramblesinafield Sun 03-Mar-13 15:22:46

Fast day tomorrow and I'm looking forwards to it! Only one fast last week due to conferences full of cakes and family birthdays.

Dotty342kids Sun 03-Mar-13 15:36:24

BMJ I weigh most mornings, just out of interest but only actually "count" the weigh in I do after my second fast of the day. So I don't worry particularly about the daily fluctuations, it's just out of interest really!

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 03-Mar-13 15:59:03

PassTheSherry no problem, I understand. smile Definitely don't stress about the fast days. Aim for 500 and you should be fine. Be moderate on your non-fast days, I think that's the real ticket.

I know what you mean re: photos. There was a Kodak (or something) advert recently which featured mum's feet at the beach etc.. something about always being behind the camera, or having your head cut off because the children were the focus of the photo. It resonated. grin Both because of the mum thing and because I've so often been hiding rather than be in pics. I try to make an effort to be in them now, though, because I think my mum did the same thing and now I have no photos of her from those years. I think most people would agree they'd rather have a pic of their mum when she maybe felt overweight or hair not done than no photo at all. I try to keep that in mind.

Start of a journey, indeed! grin Stick with us. We'll keep you entertained on those long fast days.

greenfig Sun 03-Mar-13 16:04:54

pass the sherry your post made me sad. That was how I felt when I started my journaygrin wink I find lofat protein satisfies me the best on fast days. Eggs, tinned tuna, fish, lofat cot cheese with veg & salad, also soups. Do you like cooking? Lots on Good food website, v easy, cheap, delish. You really can do itsmile
pizza your post made me realise that I have been strangely rational this week too!!! Was panicking slightly about monthly sugar cravings that will be due, wondering about best ways to combat & actually not had usual pre symptoms. Could this be another benefit? Family will be delighted if sogrin
Did JM NMTZ this am. First time I was brave enough since weds. Have been walking v carefully!

cardiffmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 16:20:46

Have just done 30 day shred for the first time and am already hurting!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sun 03-Mar-13 16:22:30

Oh yes taking the photos or hiding behind someone! My tdee is 1660 but I eat between 500-600 calories in a fast day. If I stuck to 415 I think I would find it very hard! & then I may give up 500 is comfortable. It allows me two proper cups of tea grin

DoubleMum Sun 03-Mar-13 16:31:12

I'm not doing 5:2 at the moment, but I think it's interesting that since I did it, I am never hungry for breakfast, and despite being peckish around 11am I easily make it until lunch every day now without eating. I'm sure this is good from a fast point of view, but it also means my calorie intake stands a good chance of being lower daily. I'm still not at the point where I'm, only eating in a 5 hr period, but probably manage a 6 or at most a 7 hr period.

Talkinpeace Sun 03-Mar-13 16:32:29

Golly gosh we have some excellent success stories going on.
A couple of points

500 calories v. 25% of TDEE
I always go with 500 calories even though my TDEE in a work week is now 1500.
Why?
Because its easier, its still a significant calorie deficit over the week
and I can always up my TDEE by going to the gym or digging the garden.

Breakfast for children
DH and I have been doing 5:2 since September. Our kids are 12 and 14. THey have seen the programme.
And they "get" the fact that there is a big difference between growing children and middle aged adults.
DD does not eat breakfast, but I do insist that she has milk or fruit juice to drink.
DS is at the hollow legs stage and gets through industrial quantities of cereal in the week and bacon at the weekend.

Overindulging at the weekend
Too right, that's the bit I love about this WOE. I eat and drink too much on the weekend and then detox and restrain myself in the week.
Plan to carry on doing so for the next 40 years.

Laska42 Sun 03-Mar-13 17:40:57

Why are you going to give it up in your 80's TIP grinwill you be going back on the sexn'drugsn'rocknroll ,fags, booze, cake and much younger men? (oh well i suppose we will have deserved it , (I'm probably going to leave the much younger men until after I'm 100! ) wink

BetsyVanBell Sun 03-Mar-13 17:44:31

Hear hear, if we couldn't indulge at the weekend then what would be the point? Would just be a diet. AND it means rather looking forward to fasting again smile

BetsyVanBell Sun 03-Mar-13 17:51:11

I've just made Laska's aubergine, chickpea & spinach curry as part of a bigger curry meal and I can attest to it's awesome yumness (it's on the recipe thread). I have plenty left for a substantial fast day meal tomorrow for DH and me, unless I eat it all later a la aftereights ;)

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sun 03-Mar-13 17:57:25

Have I set a precedent BVB?

Breadandwine Sun 03-Mar-13 18:23:59

Good stuff, Tip

I reckon the week's basic outline, for someone on 5:2, should go like this:

2 fasting days where you eat <500 or <600 calories

4 feed days where you eat up to your TDEE

1 feast day - where you let yourself go (and anything goes!)

But, if the need arose, you could have 2 feast days (say over Christmas or Thanksgiving - or even just for the hell of it! smile).

If you did that, you could always throw in a couple of 'mini-fasts' on feed days by missing the odd breakfast or lunch (or both), to even things out.

BetsyVanBell Sun 03-Mar-13 18:29:49

Hope not aftereights, I'm pretty full already! [applecrumbleface]

Laska42 Sun 03-Mar-13 18:56:12

Laska's top fasting tip for today

Sugar snap peas :- a whole 150g bag.. eaten raw in front of the computer..
..53 calories grin

Talkinpeace Sun 03-Mar-13 19:01:14

ROTFLMAOPMPL

JesusInACabbageVan Sun 03-Mar-13 19:07:44

Hello! new to the thread, have been doing 5:2 for a week and hoping someone will tell me that the fast days get easier. Monday was fine but Thursday got really hard and by 5pm I had no energy at all and was very grumpy.....

Does it get easier to function while fasting?

Am only aiming to lose half a stone or so, am 5 ft 7 inches and 11 stone so in healthy range but would like to get down to 10.5 stone as I have a spare tyre going on and a wobbly belly..... smile

Seen your tip about sugar snap peas Laska - great idea! Off to add them to my Ocado delivery smile

Talkinpeace Sun 03-Mar-13 19:15:14

cabbagevan
yup - you stop noticing other than looking forward to it
hence why me with no more weight to lose still does ...

akarucker Sun 03-Mar-13 19:37:45

When do you think the best time to weigh in is? The morning of a fast day? My weight seems to fluctuate by about 4lbs during the week. I suppose as long as it's a constant day, that's ok. I see a lot of you weigh in only twice a month.

snoworneahva Sun 03-Mar-13 19:59:31

Jesus Some people look forward to fasts, for others they are a necessary evil. But i think most people get better at tolerating them. Some people get a buzzy high, others feel a bit weak. And I think most still have fasts that are a challenge esp around time of the month. Easier to put off eating till the evening but that often takes a bit of working up to.

I feel quite passionately about my kids eating breakfast - unlike many adults they don't have much control over their eating on a school day. Miss breakfast and they aren't allowed to eat any proper food till lunch, especially if your kids attend a "healthy" school. I don't like them to have processed cereals or fruit juice - that is treat food reserved for high days and holidays. I like them to eat food with lots of protein and fat before they leave the house. Fortunately my kids love breakfast, always something different - it's a meal they take great pleasure in and because they eat a substantial breakfast they don't need to bother with a snack at break time because they are simply not hungry. They'll have homemade potato bread with fried eggs for breakfast tomorrow - while I fast!

BetsyVanBell Sun 03-Mar-13 20:19:28

arucker I weigh most mornings (after a wee, before eating or drinking) but only pay attention to the lowest weight of the week - usually the day after my second fast of the week. You can weigh in as much as you like, it's quite fun to record all the weights on an app and look at the spiky graph, which hopefully should have a downward trend overall.

Talkinpeace Sun 03-Mar-13 20:20:22

snow
it is NOT hypocricy to get your kids to eat different food than you
- often because kids will not eat sophisticated food
- but when fasting, be honest
- mine get a me prepared packed lunch and I shop the snacks
and my point is that my kids should have no higher a BMI that I do - as I'm 47
not an unreasonable goal

and my kids do not "do" big breakfasts - and I'll not shout at them to make it

notapizzaeater Sun 03-Mar-13 20:21:04

Ooh what app do you track iron - really must keep a record so. Can see trend !

BetsyVanBell Sun 03-Mar-13 20:29:37

You can use MFP but I also quite like one called TactioHealth on which you can input other stuff too and it automatically works out your BMI, waist to height ratio, you can also track any blood work on it too. I expect there's hundreds of them out there, I only have that one as it was one of the first ones I downloaded!

Sutinder Sun 03-Mar-13 20:41:02

Can't wait to fast... Have really indulged this weekend. Will fast mon, tues and wed to make up for it.

snoworneahva Sun 03-Mar-13 20:41:44

Talkinpeace I never mentioned hypocracy - are you suggesting that feeding my kids breakfast while I fast is hypocritical - I'm confused. My kids are fully aware that I fast, how could they not - before fasting we ate the same meals together as a family every night - it would have been impossible to hide it. No shouting about not eating in this house, they enjoy a wide varied diet which avoids processed food as much as possible, sometimes they eat plain food sometimes sophisticated but eating and preparing food is a pleasure not a chore, they are skinny - so much so that I struggle to find jeans to fit them.

We are all different, with different nutritional needs and the same rules do not apply to all people - some need breakfast some don't!!!

Talkinpeace Sun 03-Mar-13 20:50:30

snow
how old are your kids ....
mine ate what was offered until that dreaded "een" arrived on the end of their ages
at which point you have to justify every breath you take
and on this matter I have done - to their and my satisfaction
mine are built like brick outhouses - like their dad
but luckily have his brains too

ellenbrody Sun 03-Mar-13 21:07:33

Well, eating 2 thick pieces of white toast for breakfast was bad new! Cue carb craving, which I really had under control sad. I've eaten nearly 2000 cals today, mostly stodgy, sugary carp!
Fast tomorrow thank goodness, I've just got my salad ready for lunch and a pot of beany chilli soup ready for dinner.

Bring it on!

ELR Sun 03-Mar-13 21:29:36

Just finished my food input onto MFP and I am 2612 under weekly goal so hopefully will lose 1/2-1 lb this week.
I am not actually gonna get weighed until after tomorrow's fast or may even wait till Wednesday which is when I weighed last week.
Looking forward to fasting tomorrow as feel like I have over eaten since my fast day on Thursday even though I haven't really it just feels strange to have had alcohol and cake and not feel bad!
Good luck everyone for tomorrow if you are fasting.

Talkinpeace Sun 03-Mar-13 21:42:44

ELR
the point is that there is NOTHING wring with booze (piss head, moi?) cake cheese etc etc
so long as they are balanced out by restraint at other times
which is why I bang on about weekly calories rather than daily
because daily is like the bankers and their bonuses - all short term, not dealing with the long term impacts

ELR Sun 03-Mar-13 22:00:56

I always work on weekly calories my best mates a dietician and she's always banging on about weekly intake!!

It just feels so weird knowing that just those two days of restriction which are really quite easy to do can finally get the scales moving. I have maintained the same weight 10st 10lb for over ten years! So I know I don't really over eat I just need a good weight loss boost then can maintain again when I ge to my target weight.
This is the end of my second week of 5:2 and I'm really enjoying it I don't usually add in my calorie totals till the end of each day and usually I'm about right but have gone a little over this week. Last week I came in at 3240 under my weekly goal and lost 3lb so it will be interesting to see what I lose this week.

sausages51 Sun 03-Mar-13 22:20:51

Yes after you precedent-setter ! Love it because that really is me too and I just love that we're all just giggling humans so comforting these threads I can't emphasise their motivation - with humour! Love 'em!

snoworneahva Sun 03-Mar-13 22:34:20

Talkinpeace they don't eat what is given - we plan our meals in agreement - they choose their breakfast - I just won't buy processed cereal or juice....they can have porridge and whatever fruit they like, eggs any way....pancakes, crepes, fry ups, smoothies, muffins, cheese and cured meats...sometimes my kitchen feels like a cafe in the morning but they need to agree, I'm not cooking 2 different meals in the morning.
They are 11 years old, will be intrigued by how their tastes change in the next few years...whichever way they go they still won't find much processed food at home. smile

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 04-Mar-13 06:20:41

Well I've made it under 11.2 stone but only just. Weighed in at 11.1.8, be interesting to see the next lot of fluctuations & to see if I can make it to be the magic 10 something...

ellenbrody Mon 04-Mar-13 08:01:24

Yet another reason to hate yesterday's carb fest - I'm hungry! And I'm never hungry for breakfast. I am fasting today and I think it will be tough. I've got a bag of salad leaves for lunch and a pot of soup for dinner. Hope I make it!!

The last thing I are yesterday was a bowl of weetabix at 9.30pm, so my 16 hours will be up at 1.30pm ish and I am going to see how long I can push the fast for. Not having anything to drink other than water allows more cals for the day although I still found myself eating under 500 the last fast - and that includes one cup of proper tea before bed on a fast day (because I get up early to have a run on the next morning!)

I am not eating back my exercise cals either on a fast or eating day so that is positive.

Am feeling a bit hungry this morning, making delicious salami wraps for my partners lunch and it smelled gorgeous, and was tempted by Small's weetabix too! But will persevere. 152.4lbs yesterday.

BetsyVanBell Mon 04-Mar-13 08:17:40

I'm sure once your brain has got the idea that you won't be having breakfast you'll be fine ellen! It's brain hunger not real hunger after all... Pop the kettle on and have a huge hot drink instead. That's what I'm doing anyway!

Dotty342kids Mon 04-Mar-13 08:23:39

Fast day today after a food / drink heavy weekend. Last food was pack of Maltesers at around 7.30 last night am hoping I can push through till at least 3.00 today before having a banana to keep me going till teatime grin

notapizzaeater Mon 04-Mar-13 08:33:20

Off for school run will update laterbury in 3 weeks I've lost 10 lbs,,,,,,,,,,,,,, gringringringringringringringringrin

Woo hoo !!!!

countryhousehotel Mon 04-Mar-13 08:39:17

4 lbs off in a week...and that was with only 1 proper fasting day (the 2nd ended up being a semi-fast because of an unexpected social arrangement!).
Can't wait to see what happens this week with 2 proper fasts (fasting today). I've religiously tracked on non-fasting days, eaten really healthily and stayed well below TDEE only actually hitting it once (but then my TDEE is 2500 and i am still eating plenty).....probably won't keep that up for ever but wanted to kick start the weight loss quickly.

Dotty342kids Mon 04-Mar-13 08:45:25

Well done notapizzaeater and countryhousehotel, those are great losses!

Country are you finding it hard to eat to your TDEE? I don't fancy eating that much most of the week!

Does it matter If you are below TDEE on an eating day? Some days I am 600 odd cals under?

Bramblesinafield Mon 04-Mar-13 09:05:02

Well done after eights. I made if down from 11 6 to just under the magic 11 a couple of weeks ago. I've now been around 10 12 for the last ten days and even today after an indulgent weekend. I'm aiming for 10 6 by June, so we will see!

I do feel very bloated and hormonal today, so I'm looking forwards to a day without gluten and drinking plenty of water.

Minimammoth Mon 04-Mar-13 09:12:20

After my week of semi indulgence, I am back to my starting weight of 10.13. Hey ho. Reigning in and start again. Brambles with you on that target. Great to hear from all those who have made losses. Off to Pilates now, work off a few calories.

PORRIDGEANYONE Mon 04-Mar-13 09:41:53

It works !!! It workkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkssss !!! I have lost 6 pounds in 3 weeks, I'm almost within a healthy bmi and almost at my pre-stop smoking cigarette weight !! This woe is great and so easy...I was one of the skeptical as I tried few diet like ww, low gi, 150 calories max a day etc...On saturday on my fast day, I managed a 24 hours fast and it was not too hard..Thank you so much all for sharing your stories and successes, without you I would have never tried it !

BetsyVanBell Mon 04-Mar-13 09:54:39

Wow, well done losers! What a nice start to Monday smile

Seratonin You might find it helpful to think of your weekly tdee rather than daily - I tend to eat more modestly during the week which allows me extra over the weekend.

I'm pleased to say that this weekend I didn't eat mindlessly, just because it was lunchtime or whatever, but waited until I was actually hungry. It's easier to do that on a weekend when life it is less structured. Still got to crack the impulsive post-school/work feeding frenzy!

Dotty342kids Mon 04-Mar-13 10:41:26

Porridge that's so great to hear and well done! I agree that everyone else's successes (and "blips") are hugely helpful and I think lots of us really value this forum for that.

ELR Mon 04-Mar-13 10:51:00

Morning everyone, fasting today and feeling like I need something other than herbal teas!! Just had a black coffee and now I'm off my head! Never drink coffee so it's given me a lovely pick me up.
Couldn't resist getting weighed this morning and have lost another pound so 4lb in total since I started 2 weeks ago.
Made a lovely spicy tomato & lentil soup for lunch yesterday which we had with naan bread, the soup only comes in at 135 calories per portion so will be having that sometime this afternoon without the naan and then for dinner I think either soft boiled eggs and asparagus or mashed celeriac and pork steaks with wilted chard.
Good luck everyone who's fasting today.

PORRIDGEANYONE Mon 04-Mar-13 11:24:20

Last week was the first time I have managed 2 days fast and it was so much easier than the last 2 times. I know I cannot do 3 small meals so I wait as long as I can. Once I was really struggling mid-afternoon so I caved in a bit and boiled one chicken cube (31 cal) and I added a small tin of butterbeans (100 cal). It was really feeling and I was barely hungry when it came to have some more to make up the 500 cal.

Yesterday was the day after fast day and I didnt stuff myself but I had a big croissant with some butter and about 6 ferrero eggs for dessert but didnt feel the need to snack all afternoon until dinner. The weirdest thing was when I went to Sainsbury I didnt crave any treats at all, I didn't buy any chocolate, nice cheese...the only thing I craved and bought was a pot of zero % greek yogurth that I imagined eating with blueberries.

JesusInACabbageVan Mon 04-Mar-13 11:47:58

You guys are scaring me! grin All this talk of TDEE and fasting three days in a row, I thought it was all much simpler than this? Just two days out of seven, have 500 calories or under, is there more to it than that?

Am probably very daft. Also succumbed to some butter on my Ryvita, so that's probably about 20 calories gone (was a very small amount of butter).

Daisy1407 Mon 04-Mar-13 12:09:03

HI all - Ive been a very very bad girl!

I had a very high drinking and eating weekend - i honestly went overboard i was like something possesed!

I have weighed this morning and i have put on weight however i knew i would - ive been a total pig (oink oink)

Today is a fasting day and so far ive had a black coffee, green tea and and orange and cranberry tea

Not going to eat till 6.30 where i will have my Beef big soup 212 kcal
and a ww yogurt along with a hot choc

im starving but i must just simply get on with it after caving so badly this weekend

ill be feeling great again by Thursday x

BsshBossh Mon 04-Mar-13 12:23:07

JesusInACabbageVan I don't think you're being daft, it is very simple but, and I can only speak for myself here, I need to count calories on non-fast days to ensure I don't go over my TDEE and scupper all my hard work. I've only 10 lbs to lose now - for the last fortnight I've experimented with not logging any days and I maintained, which was terrific as I thought I would gain. But I still want to lose so I still need to monitor all my days at the moment.

swallowed inspired by you and your "eating windows" I've been Googling and decided I will try 16:8 x 5 days a week (the working week) - eating between 2-10pm only. I like the extra element of control over my eating this gives me on the majority of my days because I was finding myself eating too much on my non-fast days on 5:2. I still have binge/over-eating tendencies despite having been losing weight over the last 12 months so I do need "externally applied" control.

Plus, of course, I want to retain all the benefits of fasting - just now it'll be 16-hour fasts throughout the working week.

I love fasting so much. Honestly, despite having lost 50-odd lbs over the past year, it wasn't until I started fasting that I've lost the majority of my belly fat. I am convinced it's because the body during long fasting periods (I was doing 24 hours twice a week) have nothing but fat to burn.

JesusInACabbageVan Mon 04-Mar-13 13:13:16

Thanks BssshBossh - that's reassuring and makes it very clear! I have not been monitoring what I eat on non-fast days because for me the attraction was only having to concentrate on what I eat two days out of seven. However, I have noticed that my overall appetite has reduced - last night, for example, I had no carbs at all with dinner because I just didn't feel like them, and on Saturday night I couldn't finish my steak shock

I did eat some Galaxy last night though....but not as much as I would normally have eaten... blush

Talkinpeace Mon 04-Mar-13 13:14:44

I thought it was all much simpler than this? Just two days out of seven, have 500 calories or under, is there more to it than that?

Yes, it is that simple.
BUT
For people who are very overweight, learning what "normal" should be is rather a shock.
Back in the early threads, people who started logging what they ate discovered that they were eating 1.5 to 1.75 times their TDEE on a "normal" day.
ALSO
"normal" depends on your height, age and activity
and again the 2000 calories on the side of food packets is misleading because anybody under 5'5" should be eating less than that once they are at a healthy weight.

countryhousehotel Mon 04-Mar-13 13:30:05

serotoninbutterfly I'm quite heavy at the moment with a high BMI, but I'm also extremely fit and work out intensively 5 - 6 times a week, and have done for many years. I'm strong (I do full pushups not on the knees, I can hold plank position for ages, I use very heavy weights for things like squat and press). I am living proof that you can be both Fit and Fat grin. So I burn a lot of energy, and I have a 3 year old ds at home with me all day and one at school, we live in the centre of a big city and walk literally everywhere. We have no car. So no, I don't struggle to get near my TDEE at all!

But I am amazed at how much I was over-eating without realising, which is why I've gained so much weight over the last 3 years. I don't think it matters for me to not hit TDEE every day, because I am eating a lot of nutrient dense food, but it's stuff like lean protein, veg, fruit, less carbs than I'm used to, and so it's hard to eat a lot (I'm eating volume rather than cals). And I'd rather use my calories wisely (ie in the way that will help me lose weight quickest) rather than use them on wine or crisps. I'm getting near 2,000 most days but MFP keeps adding cals to the 2500 because of my exercise. So my deficit is quite big over a week.

Jesus i am sure there are people doing this who can eat "normally" on an eating day and lose weight just from the 2 day fasting. Look at Mimi Spencer for a start. She was hardly fat to start with, so she was obviously better at judging her normal calorie / food needs on a daily basis to start with than someone like me who has a few stones to lose.

sausages51 Mon 04-Mar-13 13:33:57

Wow well done to all who are losing. Today I am having an Asda med veg bake 257 cals (looks more!) Salad and chickpeas all at once,hoping this will be enough to last through until tomorrow morning,having eaten final meal 930 last night. Zumba tonight as well :-)

Itsaboatjack Mon 04-Mar-13 13:36:28

Wow, I've been gone a few days and we're already 13 pages into a new thread!

Well last week totally got away from me, no excuses, I didn't plan well enough and I let that 'failure' mentality get the better of me. I was almost willing the day to end yesterday so I could start afresh today. Got my head sorted again, got my fast days planned, and I'm back in the game now. I'm going to do 3 fasts this week as I only did one proper one last week, so I'm doing today, Weds and Fri.

No calories had so far, just water, black coffee and green tea. Got some homemade veg soup and an omelette for later.

I'm going to go back now to catch up on thread. Hope everyone is doing well, and hello to the new names I've seen.

sunnymum44 Mon 04-Mar-13 14:19:59

When to weigh?
Hi all, I'm new to the thread and new to fasting! Did my first fast day on Saturday and have to say it was easy. Was delighted that I'd dropped a couple of lbs too! However yesterday I ate "normally", probably consumed 1700 cals and burnt off 300 but I seem to have put the 2lbs back on. Decided to fast again today and am just wondering when do all of you weigh? Weekly, daily?
I have lost 21lbs recently on a different diet and wanted to lose another half a stone so decided to try 5:2 to shift the last few pounds. So am very aware (as an addicted to my scales daily weigher!) that weight goes up and down over the week but obviously for me has steadily been coming down overall.
So, is that normal to put back on when you do a non-fast day and is it from today ie. the 2nd fast day of the week, where I will see the real difference on my scales tomorrow?
Any thoughts much appreciated. By the way I've tried my best to read and lap up all the brilliant info you guys have posted on the various threads but there's just too many to get through! So apologies if the question of when to weigh has already been answered somewhere.
Many thanks! My fast is going fine today, good luck to the rest of you too.

Dotty342kids Mon 04-Mar-13 14:23:56

sunnymum it's up to you how often you weigh. I can't resist the lure of the scales and am quite intrigued by the bounce effect on this WOE eg. some days it's back up but when it drops again, it drops to below the level of the last drop (iyswim!). So, I weigh most mornings but only take seriously the one I do after the second fast of each week, that's the one I record.
Well done to losing so much already and glad to hear you didn't find the first day too hard. My loss has been fairly gradual, some weeks not at all but last week (which I think was my fifth week) just went slightly bonkers and I dropped 2lbs in as many days.
Had a full of food weekend, and my period's due this week so suspect this week's weigh in may not be so pretty but overall loss of 5lbs in 5 weeks whilst feeling great is working for me grin

sunnymum44 Mon 04-Mar-13 14:26:43

Thanks dotty, that's really good to know and well done, it's obviously working. Sounds like I do need to wait to at least tomorrow before I see some real results then!

Dotty342kids Mon 04-Mar-13 14:28:53

Yes, definitely. I don't think anything happened (scales wise) in the first week but I felt less bloated and "full" which was obviously really good.
Keep at it!

countryhousehotel Mon 04-Mar-13 14:42:25

itsaboatjack welcome back on board! don't let the failure mentality get you down. I didn't manage my 2nd fast day last week because of a friend presenting me with an unexpected lunch (at least it was a salad, not a giant bowl of creamy pasta!) - but I came on here for advice and Talkinpeace suggested treating it like a semi-fast, so I did just that, I didn't eat anything else all day and had a bowl of soup for dinner as i had planned to do for the fast day. I've lost 4lbs since starting last Monday, because for the first time in 3 years I've not let failure / slip ups derail me.....Today was meant to be a fast, but I ended up - again- having lunch out with a friend (not planned) so again it will be a semi-fast day and I'll fast tomorrow instead. A bowl of veggie chilli for dinner, nothing in between, but I'll have the brown rice and natural yogurt that i would have left out on a fast day, because I don't think I can go to bed on an empty stomach and stick to a fast tomorrow (eventually I hope to be able to do that!). I prefer to eat an evening meal, and then wait as long as I can before eating tomorrow. The BEST thing about this WOE is the flexibility to do that, to balance it all out over the week, especially if you're not too worried right now about the long fasting periods. I'm working up to those but sticking to 500 cals in a day is enough of a challenge for now!

Tweasels Mon 04-Mar-13 14:42:34

Helloooo.
After much deliberating, I'm starting fasting tomorrow. I need to lose 2 stone. I usually do a kind of low carb/slimming world red day kind of diet but I'm sick of eating the same things every day and I'm concerned that I eat too much meat.

The advice so far on here has been excellent. Thanks to those of you who have took the time. I notice the thread was linked to on the 5:2 website and was very proud to see some mumsnetters quoted in the book.

Mumelie Mon 04-Mar-13 14:49:17

Hi everyone. Last time I looked in was on the last thread (a week ago)! Boy these things move fast!
I'm in my third fast day and its going pretty well so far - nothing but black coffee and herbal tea, looking forward to a homemade soup for dinner with ryvita and some fruit.
I had dropped 3 lbs after my second fast but after a weekend of feasting (actually quite restrained but not calorie counted) that had dropped to Jst 2lbs off yesterday. Still all going in the right direction.
Sunnymum I too had lost 21 last year and have about 7 lbs left to lose. I am a compulsive weigher - sadly twice a day! Gonna just try and just weigh after each fast day and record that on mfp.
Really liking the empty feeling - might even get a flat tummy one of these days grin

CorrieDale Mon 04-Mar-13 14:52:26

2.4lbs lost this week after maintaining last week. I tried 4:3 this week since I don't want to have to think too hard about what I eat on my food days. Licorice tea, sugar free gum and being busy are my saviours!

Breadandwine Mon 04-Mar-13 14:53:13

Well done, everyone! Some great stories on here again today.

I notice posters talking about 'Pages'. I find it much easier to click on 'Show all messages' once the thread goes into two pages - then I stick it in 'My favourites', and, with one click I'm on the right page. smile

Dotty342kids Mon 04-Mar-13 14:53:31

Welcome tweasels, good to have you on board.
I have done SW in the past and find this so much easier, just not having to think every day of the week about what to /not to eat! Hopefully you will too. I also use MFP to keep a track of what I eat on my "normal" days as I wasn't sure just how many calories I ate anyway. It appears that some days were fine and some days not, so now I'm just more mindful about what I'm eating and find I'm becoming more aware of just what is an appropriate amount and type of food to eat on my eating days.
Mumelie good luck with it all, enjoy your soup tonight!

Tweasels Mon 04-Mar-13 15:00:11

Thanks Dotty. I have the MFP app and will have to calorie count on non fast days as I have a tendency to overeat without some restrictions blush.

It probably sounds a bit sad but after years of SW I'm actually looking forward to a little bit of old fashioned calorie counting.

Anja1Cam Mon 04-Mar-13 15:11:19

Hi all, well done, today is more than half way through!

I'm more than half-way through my 22hr fast (Dinner last night was later than usual...) and it's been remarkably easy - SO FAR. I've been shopping, unpacked the groceries and even decanted the chocolate biscuits into the tin. Not a problem today smile, lots of DIY to keep me busy (shelves, lamps, storage) I've drilled nearly 40 holes - my poor walls!

I've got a single portion of Hairy Dieters fish pie ready for tonight (I actually made it a bit leaner than the original) - it's so yummy I can't wait, served with a pile of Broccoli and followed by a yoghurt. I need to do 30mins cycling there and back tonight so that should see me through the evening. I might allow myself a hot choc when I get home, that should in total still be under the magic 500!

Weekend has been relaxed, trip to London and a nice cafe lunch, I chose what I wanted but found it was one of the 'healthier' options anyway. When my tummy rumbled in the run up to lunch, I was able to put that to one side and forgot about it rather than having to act on it there and then.
However I have probably splurged somewhat, at the moment I still have to get over the excitement of 'you can eat what you want'.
I made a baked cheesecake (not using Philly though!) and we had a quarter and the rest is in the freezer. I am so glad I joined this WOE, I can finally really go back to enjoying cooking and baking.

Oh and I did lose 1.5 lb in the last week despite my struggle to keep the biscuit tin closed!

cardiffmummy Mon 04-Mar-13 15:49:51

Fast day here and struggling a bit. Really hungry at the moment - I know that's kind of the point but its worse than usual. Just having a cup of tea to try and distract myself. Have exercised alot in the last 24hrs - swimming and 30 day shred yesterday afternoon, and a gym session this morning - so wondering if that's why. So trying to encourage myself by imagining all the fat burning going on if I continue to fast!! smile

Dotty342kids Mon 04-Mar-13 15:52:47

Gawd, that banana tasted good! So, lasted 20hrs which I'm pleased with. Looking forward to curry for tea now.

Well done dotty, am at 18.5 now and hoping to get to 20 (roll on half 5!)

Stirfry and sausages for dinner, maybe a small amount of sweet potato.

Daisy1407 Mon 04-Mar-13 16:29:15

Grrrrrrrrr my stomach is grumbling today!
finishing work in half hour and havent eaten yet - so going strong!
Come on fellow fatsers we CAN do it x

Mrsap Mon 04-Mar-13 16:32:42

Pretty impressive loses and fasting going on today. I am long time lurker, occasional poster but have been doing this since aug and lost 5.5kg so far. Fallen off the wagon once or twice but nothing too bad.

Have another 5 kg I'd like to loose but finding these last 5 v difficult indeed.

Anyone else having trouble shifting the last few?

i'm paranoid because i've just eaten a pita bread with philly light and ham at like 3.50pm. convinced i'll have put weight on tomorrow but have to give this fast-5 thing a go.

will just have to try not to go too mad. having said that i'm having pasta tonight. going to have it with tuna and a cheat sauce of that low fat condensed mushroom soup i'm always banging on about. that seems a huge amount of carbs.

we'll see. if it looks like i'm putting on weight then i'll do a 500 day. the plan now is weekdays 19/5 or 20/4 and weekends 16/8. it's really no hardship to me not to eat breakfast or lunch. question is whether it will result in weight loss.

Talkinpeace Mon 04-Mar-13 16:43:37

tummy rumbling but will distract myself with getting stuff out of the loft!

BetsyVanBell Mon 04-Mar-13 16:43:47

Sunnymum Take some measurements too - waist, hips etc - lots of people are finding that their waist and hips reduce in size even when the scales aren't shifting! Lots of reports of flattening tummies smile

Like you and Mumelie I'd lost lots of weight before starting 5:2 and already had a good healthy eating plan in place. I have shifted a further 11lbs in 6 weeks on this WOE, lost a further 1.5inches off my waist and am now getting a pretty flat tummy. All hopefully indicative of some healthy changes inside too grin I certainly feel fantastic and fast days feel pretty easy now.

Hello Tweasels, great to have you join us!

pinklady1107 Mon 04-Mar-13 16:48:33

Hi everyone

Just been reading and am motivated even more now!!

Will be my second fast tomorrow - but I've stuck to my tdee all weekend so am happygrin

And I've started doing the 30 day shred which will hopefully get me fitter

Have a good week everyone xx

greenfig Mon 04-Mar-13 17:03:39

Well done to todays fasters. My fast day tomorrow & like some others am looking forward to ithmm Have kept under TDEE over w/e but not especially 'clean' choices & was slightly up this am & feeling bleugh.

dines Mon 04-Mar-13 17:59:31

Hello again everyone fast day today..it's really goin well I didn't eat anything till 1 had my last meal last nyt at about half 7-8. I'm really surprised how one fast day can be a struggle and the next is fine.. got a bit of a head ache but goin strong.. I ordered one of them graze boxes ,don't nice if anyone has heard of them but that I fall of nuts,savoury bits ,raisins and u get quite a lot in a box. They are divided into four boxes and each box has less then 100cals but the one I ordered has a couple if chocolate covered honey comb bits in.. (had to choose that one lol) the whole box is 524 cals so will be nibbling on them thought the day.. so today I had may main meal at 1, 345 cals and I've bin drinking tea with a dash of milk, problem is I Havnt bin adding up the calories with the milk since I don't no if I'm under or over ...I've had 4 cups.. sorry for the long essay lol

blue2 Mon 04-Mar-13 18:28:42

I thought I'd say Hello.
I've been lurking around these threads for a few weeks. Bought and read the Michael Mosley book, and woke up this morning and thought "No time like the present - lets call today a Fast Day"
So - here I am having had nothing to eat since about 8.30 last night - but... but... I've had 3 cups of tea and a cup of coffee all with semi skimmed milk. TBH, I don't like milky drinks, so there wasn't much going in to each cup.

How many calories should I delete from my 500 (before I go and 'spend' them for supper?)

dines Mon 04-Mar-13 18:31:24

If I had 3 fast days in a week will that mean I can be more layed back with wot I eat on my feed days? cus wen its my feed days I do indulge lol and I feel bad about it. Is anyone the same?

BetsyVanBell Mon 04-Mar-13 18:35:20

Hi Blue2 You should probably allocate about 20 cals per cup, so that leaves you 420 for your main meal.

probably about 120-150mls worth blue2. don't know how much that is as i was drinking skimmed till i quit. should say on the milk bottle.

feel like i've eaten tons and have to keep reminding myself i'm only aiming at being under tdee.

Talkinpeace Mon 04-Mar-13 19:06:40

Supper ....
www.waitrose.com/shop/ProductView-10317-10001-162260-Waitrose+chicken%2C+chorizo+and+paprika+soup
with a slice of bread then an apple
stuffed
till tomorrow lunch

Sutinder Mon 04-Mar-13 19:09:55

Fast day for me today... Had coffee at 3 with milk so lasted 19 hrs which was ok. Just had home made soup I think I have calories leftover so may have some fruit.
dines I am also doing 4:3 this week. I really over indulged this weekend so need to claw some calories back.
swallowed I'm very interested in your experiment will be watching out for your posts

Bramblesinafield Mon 04-Mar-13 19:15:58

Yum I love those graze boxes. I like the popcorn ones that you nuke yourself.
Well soup for a late afternoon lunch, followed by massive bowl of root curry. Small snack of something later and that's me done. Bit harder today as somewhat hormonal, but nothing like as challenging as when I started this woe a few weeks ago. Wonder what the scales will say in the morning?!

Oh and weekng for Britain! Wonder whether my skin will look more hydrated and clearer?!

dines Mon 04-Mar-13 19:41:20

Sutinder I will Defo do 4:3 this week last week didn't so well.. goin over my 500 cals on both fast days and on feed days goin bit over the top.. was my first week so will call that my practice run .. this iS my third fast day and it is goin really well. Havnt gone over and Havnt had the feeling of bad hunger like I did on my ffirst fast day hope the rest will be the same as today..

dines Mon 04-Mar-13 19:46:26

talkinpeace think I might buy that soup I love chorizo.. will u have the whole tub ? How much calories are in it?

Scrazy Mon 04-Mar-13 19:50:08

Fast day again for me, I've had 3 cups of coffee with milk. 2 cups green tea, some chicken breast with cherry tomatoes and cucumber and a weight watchers soup. I have 100 cals left for a snack later.

ellenbrody Mon 04-Mar-13 19:53:52

I think I'll come in at 550 calories, which is about normal for me. It's on tea with milk, I have 4 on a fast day (I have about 10 on a non fast day!).

I had just salad leaves for lunch and then a carton of Tesco bean, lentil and barley soup for dinner.
After my carb heavy day yesterday I have struggled a bit today to be honest.

Talkinpeace Mon 04-Mar-13 19:55:56

dines
I had the whole tub - 284 calories

so today I've had gallons of tea, soup, a slice of bread with a bit of butter and an apple
and done 3/4 mile swim, hour of yoga and bodypump

Ninunina Mon 04-Mar-13 20:02:05

Fast day 7 today and tried having just 1 meal since I was out and about all day. I can't say I felt too hungry during the day, but I felt very weak by 6pm and I'm still feeling quite light headed despite eating a sizable dinner, so not sure of this is a good plan. I can handle feeling hungry, but can't afford to feel weak with a toddler to look after. I didn't drink much all day though, and spent the day in the sun so that surely didn't help.

Daisy1407 Mon 04-Mar-13 20:12:52

Talkinpeace - wow that soup sounds amazing any pieces of chicken or chorizo in there or is it all liquified? Sounds bloody sexy! Lol
Fast day over and on 510 kcal so chuffed as it was such a struggle earlier today!
I was an utter piggy over weekend so I'm hoping to shift a few extra lb this week - I just love food sooo much x

Hello all. I've been reading these threads and the book and I've decided to go for it! I need to lose around 3 stone (2 put on during maternity leave shock). I've been tracking my normal calorie intake on MFP for a few days and com ein around 2000 but realise a normal day needs to be around 1600. I'm aiming for 500 on fasting days.

My plan at the moment is to do fasting on Tuesdays and Thursdays as I work these days and am generally very busy so will find it easier. My food plan for tomorrow is an apple for breakfast, green salad for lunch and shakshuka for dinner, with 4 cups of tea. It comes in at 488 on MFP and seems like a reasonable amount of food?

Thought I would join the thread for motivation!

Sutinder Mon 04-Mar-13 20:25:24

Ditto daisy I also love food too much.... But am determined to continue

Talkinpeace Mon 04-Mar-13 20:25:27

Daisy
cubes of chorizo, strips of chicken etc etc
I had the leek and potato last week and it has lumps of vegetable
the tomato and chilli one is great
all of the supermarkets do them now - Waitrose charge £3.50 for two
and they are often spicy so make you feel REALLY sated by the end.

ninu
you are probably VERY dehydrated. I drink about 5 pints of tea on a fast day ...

Betterlatethan Mon 04-Mar-13 20:26:52

Hello all

I see a lot of you make something called 'cauliflower rice' I am assuming that this is rice made of cauliflower, but how do you make it and what does it go with?
I started this in the first week in January, am down half a stone now and another stone to go. Really need some new recipes hence the question!

Thanks!

Mintyy Mon 04-Mar-13 20:31:42

Gah! Sorry to crash thread but why oh why do I get these ridiculous food cravings on fast days?

Today it is chicken and mushroom pie. I never eat chicken and mushroom pie ffs!!

Just about to tuck into a delicious bowl of Covent Garden pea and ham soup.

And this is soooooooooo hard when I don't even get any kind of weight loss as a fucking reward!

<<waves at everyone, good luck to newbies, ignore me I am just ranting>>

Itsaboatjack Mon 04-Mar-13 20:33:01

dines and sutinder I'm with you both doing 4:3, I had a terrible week last week. Feel like I'm back on track today though, had nothing all day and just had dinner of omelette with a tin of mackerel in mustard sauce and salad.

I had dinner later than planned too as I had a problem to sort out at work which meant I finished late, but I feel good as even though I was pretty ravenous by then I made myself sit down and have a hot drink first to get my appetite under control so I didn't scoff down my dinner but was instead able to enjoy and appreciate it and feel satisfied after.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 04-Mar-13 20:38:49

I've just had a tough fast day. I was busy with new house stuff (fibre optic has gone in now! However am back at the old house tonight) but I forgot to bring the kettle so I had no coffee or tea. I was fairly dehydrated by the end of the day, as I didn't fancy drinking many cold drinks (read: water. I love water, but I didn't want it cold!)

Anyway. I think the only reason I stuck to it was I didn't want to have to start over again tomorrow. grin

Talkinpeace Mon 04-Mar-13 20:47:16

(((((Mintyy))))) You'll be fine
greeneggs : a the joy of not quite living in either house
betterlate have a look at the recipes thread ....

BlackMaryJanes Mon 04-Mar-13 20:54:25

Have any of you guys tried fasting whilst full of cold?

Talkinpeace Mon 04-Mar-13 21:01:18

BMJ
nope. I said "sod it, I can fast next week"

artemis17 Mon 04-Mar-13 21:17:07

A recomendation for soups-the New York Soup Co, "skinny soups" all under 250 for the whole pot...especially the "chunky chicken minestone", the WHOLE pot (600g) is under 200 cal, the butternut squash one is good too. Def better than salad on cold days.. smile

sausages51 Mon 04-Mar-13 21:48:51

brambles can I have the root vegetable curry recipe - oops that's can we! It's not all about me ! :-)

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 04-Mar-13 22:33:45

Artemis I had the chunky ministrone today and not even a fast!

Well done Greeneggs grin

Been unwell over the weekend and healthy eating out the window! oh well a fast or two this week should get me back on track hopefuly.

wildwater Mon 04-Mar-13 22:45:10

Thanks for leading me to the new thread.

Stood on scales this morning (actually after my break - fast + cups of tea & coffee) to find I am now 10 1/2 stone, no longer wavering between that and 11. I am so happy! My aim is at present 10, then we'll see what my body wants to do...

Bramblesinafield Mon 04-Mar-13 22:46:02

www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1364/spicy-root-and-lentil-casserole

There you go. Yum yum yum. I don't have any naan with it, but do stir in a spoon of yoghurt. That way I can have a bigger helping!

Bramblesinafield Mon 04-Mar-13 22:46:26

Wow sees wild water, that's ace.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 04-Mar-13 22:53:23

Lovely first fast of the week ticked off. Came in at just over 500 calories but I so wanted that proper tea (read with milk) & as its TOM I decided to go with what I wanted. I don't think going over by 25 calories will negate the health benefits especially as I did a 24 hour fast before I ate & then had my tea.

Reading that back it sounds a bit rambly but I hope you'll all get what I mean.

Well done to everyone who fasted today. L

wildwater Mon 04-Mar-13 22:53:37

Thank you!

snoworneahva Mon 04-Mar-13 22:54:19

betterlate I use cauliflower rice to make a kedgeree, it's really good, didn't miss the rice - even the dcs were eyeing it up!
Often make a curry and then add it as the rice portion.

To make just grate or grind cauliflower in the food processor till it's rice grain sized. Then nuke for 6-8 min without any addition of water (it will go soggy).

ThinkICan Tue 05-Mar-13 01:11:15

Hi! Back again after a week travelling and find that the old thread is 25 pages longer and the new thread is on pg 16. Dreading the moment of revelation on the scales, as I had to make do with what was available when on the road. TiP - give me a talking to so I can face it like a woman! Face the truth of weight gained and get back on the straight and narrow!

Breadandwine Tue 05-Mar-13 01:25:03

TiPs gone to bed, TIC.

But you don't need telling, do you, that with this regime, whatever you've put on, you know how to get rid of it!

In other words, you know the secret! smile

Like all of us who've been here more than a few days!

Here's a great interview with Dr M on ABC radio Sydney:

www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/02/28/3700802.htm?site=sydney

Dr M updates us on the various human trials that are now taking place - as well as going through the basics. Well worth 20 minutes of your time!

morning.

well over the weekend i went up .8 of a lb to 11.5.6 and today after yesterdays fast 5 approach i'm the same. however (tmi alert) i feel the need for a bowel movement i can't do yet and my period is very much due now.

in terms of calories i guesstimated that i had about 1700 yesterday.

think today i will try to wait a bit longer before eating (what that video said about mixing it up so your body doesn't get habituated and start doing the all the insulin and glucose surges like clockwork made sense to me). it felt too early when i ate yesterday and the five hour window seemed too long so i think i'll go back to 20/4 today and remember not to eat when hungry but wait till after (yesterday i tried eating before).

not sure if i should aim to do a '500' day or not.

sorry dull stuff!! hope everyone has a good day fasting or otherwise smile

putthehamsterbackinitscage Tue 05-Mar-13 06:47:55

Question for Swallowed....

If following fast5, have you now stopped 5:2 as well?

Am asking as on 5:2 I naturally tend to do fast5 principles on my fast days ... Save a calories till after 6pm then finish eating no later than 10 pm, and i am interested in whether you

A) should combine the 2 or if it could cause problems with under eating

B) need to do both to keep weight off /keep losing or if fast5 works on its own

C) could do a combination on fast days but have a bigger window on Non fast days eg say 18:6 to allow a late lunch and dinner eg eat between 2pm and 8pm?

I tend to find my metabolism is on the slow side and if I eat tdee on the 5 days and 500 on fast days, I gain rather than lose (inches and pounds) unless I do significant exercise to help burn calories so i am wondering if a combination of both might allow me to increase calories closer to tdee on non fast days and not gain ....

Tdee is around 1600 without exercise... Short, getting older and sedentary job wink

putthehamsterbackinitscage Tue 05-Mar-13 07:02:54

Cross posted grin

I am interested to see what works for you as I think a combination of the 2 should be possible so long as I eat enough on the 5 days.....

Am also running for exercise so need to ensure I eat enough for fuel as well

Good thing about this is I have cut out some of the rubbish I've always snacked on such as crisps etc when at work ..... But am still able to have chocolate etc if I feel I want it....

6 weeks in now and not finding it hard at all....

thanks b&w - just listened to that interview.

putthehamster - i really don't know yet. i went from doing the 5:2 to thinking well i'll also make sure i have a long fast every week day (so even on the days i wasn't fasting in the week i didn't eat before late afternoon). what i found in that week was that i lost much better even though i'd only managed one proper 500 day.

so i wondered if maybe it's the short window that does it for me and maybe that alone would do.

where i'm at now is thinking that maybe because i still have a lot of fat to lose (my first goal is 10stone but really i want to be less than that if i can) i could do a combo of the long fast every week day plus two significantly lower calorie days in the week too until i get to where i want to be. then i could potentially maintain by solely doing the fast5 or 20/4 (20/4 makes more sense to me as that's sort of 4.30-8.30 and that's when i want to be eating) in the week.

it's all a bit 'suck it and see' at the minute so i'd be interested in hearing your thoughts and how it's going for you.

now i've cross posted! grin

i want my 'fuel' to be my fat stores. hence not eating in the day but staying active in the day. the idea is my body learns to mobilise and use my fat. that's why i'm not adding activity in as if it lets me eat more because my fat is a plenty for now and that's what i want eaten! itms.

putthehamsterbackinitscage Tue 05-Mar-13 07:18:02

Cross posting obviously show this is a good time of day to post wink

I think I might give it a try.... 5:2 but with a 5 - 7 hour eating window from say 1:30 - 8:30 or variations around that to fit my day and see if its manageable, and what the results are...

Will post updates about how it works.... an going to try to be guided by hunger tho rather than tdee as if i am not hungry, and haven't exercised, then I think tdee is too high for my metabolism....

Sutinder Tue 05-Mar-13 07:19:24

Successful fast yesterday. Feel so much healthier for doin it especially after the gorge at the weekend. I'm no good at calorie counting but am going to mane wise choices. Have a great day everyone.

i agree putthehamster about tdee. even if i put in that i have a sedentary lifestyle and don't do exercise (when in fact on work days i walk at least 10km and use a lot of calories according to my pedometer) it still comes out at levels that i know if i ate consistently i would put on weight.

CorrieDale Tue 05-Mar-13 07:54:12

BMJ fasted yesterday with a chesty cough and runny nose. The cough is a swine and keeps me awake at night but I wouldn't say I'm full of a cold exactly. I felt fine about fasting yesterday but if I was streaming and generally felt rough I'd be like greeneggs and sodding it.

CorrieDale Tue 05-Mar-13 08:05:10

On the subject of slow metabolism s, mine seemed to speed up a bit when I started gaining muscle from Pilates. On the down side I also started to gain weight (while losing a lot of inches). I'm doing 4:3 to try and shift that last stubborn few pounds but I really recommend trying to fit a few minutes of push ups and planking into your day. Even the smallest addition of muscles required more calories to get it through the day than fat does. If that makes sense .., sorry if it's ramble. I am chivvying and harrying for school while posting...

Minimammoth Tue 05-Mar-13 08:19:48

Cakes back down to 10. 11 today so yesterday was just pretend weight gain. I also did a pretend fast yesterday. Just couldn't count the cals, as food home made and odd quantities. I will be cautious today, and try proper fast tomorrow. I struggle with metabolic rate, as am being treated for low thyroid function. My TDEE is 1800, I almost always eat far less than that and never lose weight. tis a B.

Minimammoth Tue 05-Mar-13 08:21:05

Cakes!! That should read 'scales'

tomorrowweeat Tue 05-Mar-13 08:21:59

LOL at Brambles smile

Easy fast day yesterday. When I checked calories at the end of the day came in at under 400. Miso soup for lunch with cheese triangle. Tin of veg soup with half a packet of lettuce, watercress, rocket stirred in. Green tea and water to drink.

But what to eat today?

Good luck to all the Tuesday fasters especially EnglishGirl - hope your first fast goes well.

artemis17 Tue 05-Mar-13 08:27:06

BMJ i find if im not feeling well, then i dont have an appetite so its pretty handy to use as a fast day...

BetsyVanBell Tue 05-Mar-13 08:27:35

On the subject of weight, scales and 'bouncing': here's how it goes for me on this WOE. Every 2 or 3 weeks I will lose a solid couple of pounds and I consider this my current weight and a target weight. Each time I weigh in (every day or two) after the new low reading my weight fluctuates upwards, bouncing around 2 or 3 pounds higher than my target weight for a week or so then after a couple of weeks it stabilises and a new low weight is achieved. For example, last week I got a new low (146lbs), and this week I'm working towards getting back down to that weight (Monday was 148lbs, today, post fast I'm 147lbs and I'm hoping that Thursday's fast will put me back to 146lbs or maybe I'll stay stable at 147lb), next week I hope to lose a bit and create a new low.

So two points:
1. Mentally I ignore the higher scale readings and consider myself the lowest weight for the duration (though higher readings make me 'work' harder to get the reading lower again so are useful!)
2. I don't worry about thinking I've gained weight as I know it will bounce down again.

cardiffmummy Tue 05-Mar-13 08:43:53

Managed to complete yesterday's fast although was a bit of a struggle! 3 year old DS was being a monkey and driving me crackers and I nearly caved in at lunchtime and bought chocolate!! But I resisted and got through the day. Now feeling very pleased (and relieved!) and have enjoyed my breakfast of rice krispies, grapes and a big cup of tea!! Hope you all have a good day smile.

Minimammoth Tue 05-Mar-13 08:48:32

Thanks for that Betsy it's good to know what to expect and that others experience the same.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 05-Mar-13 08:53:04

bvb couldn't agree more. I'm definitely a bouncer. I seem now to be bouncing between 11.1 & 11.4 whereas before that it was 11.3 & 11.6, previous to that it was 11.5 & 11.8 if that makes sense.

Hello all, glad to hear all the positive stories this morning!

I had a difficult fast day yesterday as had some bad news (have been given notice to vacate my home) and usual stress response is to smoke and eat my body weight in biscuits.

However, am still a non-smoker and kept under 500cals.

Worth it this morning - weighed in at 149.6lbs!! gringringrin

Reason to be cheerful - I also enjoyed the fasting! Felt in control and like I could do it forever.

Had 2 cups of coffee with milk and now feel mega bloated though hmm

LittleFriendSusan Tue 05-Mar-13 09:01:12

Can I join you? DP and I have decided to give this a go after watching the Horizon programme and reading Michael Mosley's book. A few people we know are doing it, and are all very positive about it. Reasons for doing it - primarily the health benefits for DP: he is of healthy BMI but carries a lot of visceral fat. Me, I need to lose at least a stone and a half to be of a healthy weight again. So, weight loss first, and any additional health benefits are an added bonus!

First fast day today - wish me luck! The plan for me is to go as long as I can before eating. I know from experience that if I have breakfast, I'll be hungry mid morning. So I will try to last till 2- ish and then have some veg soup. Tuna steak and veg stir fried in tsp oil & soy sauce later tonight. Does that sound ok? DP has gone the breakfast & evening meal route: so a couple of boiled eggs and a slice of wholemeal toast this morning and nothing till dinner tonight. He has quite a labour-intensive job and was worried about going a full day (and driving a lot) on an empty stomach...

BetsyVanBell Tue 05-Mar-13 09:15:18

seratonin Horrible news, sorry to hear that but huge well done for sticking to your fast so successfully smile

LittleFriendSusan Welcome! You're in the right place and your plan for the day sounds brilliant. I'll bet your DP will be fine, planned hunger is very different to panic hunger (i.e., when you're worries about where your next meal is coming from!). Good luck to you both and do report back.

aftereights I think I nicked the 'bouncing' phrase from you, very apt! What I love is knowing that I can keep up this WOE and I'll keep bouncing down and it doesn't matter how slowly that happens.

In other news, I will have to wear a swimsuit of some kind next month in public so I tried on an old bikini from slimmer days and it didn't look too awful! Result!

Dotty342kids Tue 05-Mar-13 09:29:12

Well done everyone, some great news from lots of you.
Welcome to all the newbies too. I'm on week 5 and have lost about 5lbs so far so slow and steady. Had an over indulgent weekend and then fasted yesterday. Fast days are never easy but it's so good to have a feeling of hunger and get through it, rather than just caving in and eating constantly.
Going to mini fast on Thurs (no breakfast / lunch but a normal dinner, not calorie counted) and then my second main fast on Friday.

bvb that sounds very similar to how my weight goes on this woe and how i approach it. my most recent new low was 11.4.8 - now i'm holding at 11.5.6 but want to see at least that 11.4.8 back tomorrow and hope to see a new low.

it's like within a week or so that low becomes the norm and you begin to glance a new one - so it is like you hit it, then you work to keep it and then the next one appears and repeat.

i've done the school run and a few errands and made myself do a little bit of a jog on the way home to kick start things. i've been doing some reading and i find this idea of eating fats to get your body used to running on fat interesting. not up for swallowing a spoon of olive oil but will take some omega3 and some evening primrose oil capsules today.

BsshBossh Tue 05-Mar-13 09:42:21

swallowed, putthehamster have you seen this comparison of various IF strategies by one guy?

www.precisionnutrition.com/intermittent-fasting

He compared weight loss results of 5:2, of 18:6, of combination of 5:2 & 18:6 etc. Makes interesting reading.

I'm doing just 18:6 this week to see the results.

BsshBossh Tue 05-Mar-13 09:44:47

He's a doctor and so he monitored his blood work too. Here's the wrap-up chapter with bloodwork results:

www.precisionnutrition.com/intermittent-fasting/chapter-7

sunnymum44 Tue 05-Mar-13 09:49:20

Hi everyone, I'm new to this and have a quick question on milk in coffee please. I did first fast day on Saturday and 2nd yesterday - all good so far, managed to not eat anything until evening meal as that seems to work best for me. However I probably had 3/4 coffees with skimmed milk during both days. Does this mean I wasn't actually fasting for the 24 hours that I thought I was? I counted the milk as calories in my 500 so the weight loss benefits will be there I'm sure, but what about the health benefits? Have I null and voided them because I had milk in the morning?
Also, I am a bit confused about this window of fasting being as long as possible as I read the 5:2 book and I thought it was ok to consume the 500 calories at any time during the day? However most of you seem to be trying to get this fasting window of no calories - why is that?
Would love to hear any thoughts on this, many thanks.

sunnymum44 Tue 05-Mar-13 09:51:20

PS. Thank you for all your comments about weight fluctuation over the week and "bouncing" as you call it! Makes complete sense to me and answers a question I posted yesterday about when to weigh, thank you!

BetsyVanBell Tue 05-Mar-13 09:52:40

saf I've done a bit of reading on eating fat to burn fat and from personal experience I do find I'm more likely to lose weight if I have a high fat day here and there... and by high fat day I mean a good roast with lots of crackling!

Not doable on a fast day really but on other days I try and make sure I'm eating a selection of nuts and seeds as well as making a salad dressing from good quality olive oil, which really can go on anything.

Outnoobered Tue 05-Mar-13 09:52:53

Hi everyone, first post (when I can get it in the right thread)!

Male, 46. Been doing mostly 5:2 (occasionally 4:3) since the beginning of September and I've lost around 2 stone in that 6 months. BMI is now around 23.

Anyway, I have a question I never thought I'd need to ask: when do I stop trying to lose weight? what is the ideal BMI? Obviously the advice is 18.5 to 25 but within that range, is it best to be at the mid point or the lower end? I did read some stuff that said around 19.5 is ideal but other stuff said over 22.5 was better = confused!

I'm thinking of the best weight for health and I'm aware of the shortcomings of the BMI scale.

Apologies if this has been asked before and thanks in advance,
David