Part time holiday allowance??

(66 Posts)
Laralooz Thu 07-Mar-13 21:12:30

I am starting a new job doing 20 hours a week over 4 days. They said I get 12.5 days a year, but that doesn't seem right to me? Can anyone confirm if this is correct please??

Many thanks in advance
Xxx

ThingummyBob Fri 08-Mar-13 12:02:59

Also, what full time empoyees are doing is also irrelevent. They will each be entitled to 5.6 weeks of their own hours. No pro rata-ing (?!) from f/t to p/t is necessary at all.

Someone on full time hours of 40 per week due to (9-6 with 30 mins lunch) at the same company as someone who works full time on 37.5 hours per week (9-6 with 1hr lunch break) will both receive their own entitlement of 5.6 weeks per year; so 224 hours for the 40 hrs worker and 210 for the 37.5 hrs - both equate to 28 days away from their desks.

ThingummyBob Fri 08-Mar-13 12:06:41

Bank holidays do not even come in to holiday entitlement wallison.

Linky here https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/entitlement

Are you thinking about contractual holiday pay over and above what is legally required?

Wallison Fri 08-Mar-13 12:18:13

Yes. Because what full-time employees are getting is what part-time employees should be getting pro-rata if they are both employed at the same company. So if the OP is working at a place where full-time employees get bank holidays in addition to statutory holiday pay, then she will also be entitled to it.

flowery Fri 08-Mar-13 12:31:26

You need to know what holiday f/t get.

Whoever said p/t employees get 8 bank holidays whether they fall on normal working days or not is wrong.

All holiday should be pro rata, whether it's bank holiday or normal annual leave.

If f/t employees get 25 days plus 8 bank holidays, total of 33, you should get 4/5 of that as you are working 4 days a week.

33/5x4= 26.4 (round up to 26.5) including your bank holiday allowance, so all bank holidays that fall on your normal working days would be taken out of that.

If f/t employees get 20 days plus 8 bank holidays, total of 28, you should get 28/5x4= 22.4 (again probably round up to 22.5), including bank holiday pro rata allowance.

Obviously one day's holiday for you would be 5 hours rather than 7.5 or whatever f/timers get.

ThingummyBob Fri 08-Mar-13 12:52:35

If they are both employed at the same company under comparable terms and conditions of course.

Wallison Fri 08-Mar-13 12:56:12

Well, let's just assume that the OP isn't going to go comparing her/himself to the Company Secretary or whatever.

ThingummyBob Fri 08-Mar-13 13:06:16

Exactly wallison.

Discrimination against part time workers is a separate issue from what the OP is entitled to by law.

She is entitled to 112 hours per year minimum, or 22.4 working days (rounded up to nearest half day if required - rounding down is not allowed.)

If she is unable to work on a bank holiday as the business is closed or whatnot, she will need to deduct 5 hours from her entitlement.

Simples grin

Wallison Fri 08-Mar-13 13:08:43

Yes but what her total entitlement is depends on what bank holidays employees at her company get. So it's not 'Simples' or accurate to state otherwise.

My previous job used breatheslowly's method. I worked Mondays and Fridays and ended up with either 4 or 5 days (2 weeks) annual leave plus BHs.
The logic behind this is that between me and my job-share we equalled a full timer. All BHs fell on my work days but I was only entitled to 2/5 of them, so they came off my annual leave entitlement.
On the other hand, my jobshare partner had 15 or 16 days annual leave (5 weeks) and didn't work BHs.
What annoyed me most was that I did overtime most weeks but did not accrue extra annual leave for extra days worked.

ThingummyBob Fri 08-Mar-13 13:14:14

But then you are getting into comparing terms and conditions...

Wallison Fri 08-Mar-13 13:17:59

Which you have to do. By law. Employers are not allowed to discriminate against part-time workers. So actually the bank holidays are a legal entitlement, if other full-time workers in the company have them.

ThingummyBob Fri 08-Mar-13 13:23:54

InMySpareTime, your employers gave the full entitlement due to both of you but then insisted that they effectively chose when you took the majority of it.
Not the best way to treat someone in a M/F job share like yours, but perfectly allowable.
Is that why its your ex job? Its their loss, console yourself that they'll probably have a high staff turnover if they are alyways like that...wink

Wallison I thought anything over and above legally required minimum does not have to be treated the same as the 5.6 weeks. Knowing what 'full timers' get is not a good indicator of much really.

flowery Fri 08-Mar-13 15:00:54

"Wallison I thought anything over and above legally required minimum does not have to be treated the same as the 5.6 weeks. "

Part timers must get at least pro rata what full timers get, otherwise they are being treated less favourably which is illegal. Whether the employer offers the stat min 5.6 weeks or more makes no difference to that.

Thingummy, it was one of the reasons I left, there were larger issues with lack of respect or recognition, it was made clear on a number of occasions that I was never going to get anywhere as a part-timersad. I had a far better system in the job before that with a 50/50 job share. We both got 4 weeks, and when there was a week with a bank holiday we each worked 2 days instead of 2.5.
That felt much fairer, and was a better fit with family life.

I agree that you don't need to know what full timers do or prorate that as you can just use 12.08%, but people seemed to be getting bogged down in either calculating in hours or days or weeks, but my point was that you get back to 112 hours or 22.4 days or 5.6 weeks whichever way you calculate it (assuming the statutory minimum).

fossil971 Fri 08-Mar-13 23:23:15

Our place adds the bank holidays so in our case a full time person gets 25+8 = 33 or 6.6 weeks. Then they pro-rata that down by the number of days on which you work. So if like me you work on 4 days (regardless of hours) you get 80% or 26.4 days. (I work 3 full days and one half). The reasoning being that to take a week off, you take 4 of your "days" off even if they are short days. Previously when I worked 5 short days, I had the full amount of days holiday even though my hours were virtually the same.

I still have to take bank holidays off, but since those are mostly in weeks I'd take as holiday anyway, I still book 4 days to holiday and get a week off. Technically I can maximise my holiday a bit by not taking my short days when i take an odd day.

This is exactly what flowery described I think.

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