Tamum and any other academics or anyone who knows what pedagogic means

[thewomanwhothoughtshewasahat]

can I ask a very stupid question - what does "pedagogic expertise" on a person spec mean? I have a vague idea but I assume it is meant more technically than that

[thewomanwhothoughtshewasahat]

my sil used to be a pedagogic music teacher - which just meant she taught in different schools. I am not sure if this pedagogic expertise is meant to refer to teaching or research. am confused...

[Bink]

nothing more technical than experience in teaching children, I think (and it might not mean a qualification)

I suspect you may be reading a Polish person's CV? They tend to say that sort of thing (rather than "I have a teaching diploma")

[Feistybird]

Characterized by pedantic formality: a haughty, pedagogic manner.



so dictionary.com says

[Donbean]

"the principles and methods of instruction. The activities of educating or instructing or teaching; activities that impart knowledge or skill"

[moondog]

It's just a fancy and largely meaningless way of saying 'teaching'.You don't have to be an academic to know that.

[thewomanwhothoughtshewasahat]

funnily enough, I'm not reading a Polish cv, I'm reading a person specification for a job (at a university) I'm wondering whether to apply for...I assumed (wrongly?) that universities wouldn't use shitey words when others would do. If pedagogic refers to teaching, what on earth does pedagogic research mean? getting your undergrads to do research for you? or "researching" like mad the day before a lecture cos you barely know more than the people you're going to lecture to?

[OldieMum]

Sounds like a word a non-native English speaker might think was better than "teaching".

[thewomanwhothoughtshewasahat]

and if it means pertaining to teaching does that make my pedagogic teacher sil a teachery teacher?

[OldieMum]

It might be research on how to teach well. This is quite a big industry at the moment. Oxford Brookes do a lot of it, for instance.

[OldieMum]

I should add that it's actually quite interesting - e.g. how students learn and what works best for helping them learn, rather than just lecturing at them.

[bundle]

sounds well-poncey to me.
(this is from dictionary.net)

Pedagogue \Ped"a*gogue, n. [F. p['e]dagogue, L. paedagogus, Gr. ?; pai^s, paido`s, a boy + ? to lead, guide; cf. ? leading. See Page a servant, Agent.]

1. (Gr. Antiq.) A slave who led his master's children to school, and had the charge of them generally.
   

1. A teacher of children; one whose occupation is to teach the young; a schoolmaster.
   

1. One who by teaching has become formal, positive, or pedantic in his ways; one who has the manner of a schoolmaster; a pedant. --Goldsmith.
   

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

[thewomanwhothoughtshewasahat]

funnily enough Oxford Brookes came up when I googled it. I think you are probably right. I just saw pedagogic research and it rather threw me. never thought about research about teaching

[Donbean]

Its to do with how teachers learn to teach effectively thats all.
My dh is doing a teaching qualification at the mo and they are big on this and other methods of teaching.

[zippitippitoes]

teaching methodology..like hmm Ted Wragg who sadly died last year

[Greensleeves]

hat woman - the word for teaching in lots of different schools is peripatetic :)

[Donbean]

i agree oldiemum about how people learn bieng an interesting subject.
My dh teaches trainee mechanics at college, he teaches them in a workshop and in the classroom. He teaches vocational motor vehicle courses to school kids also and many of them cant read or write but are superb at the practical aspects. These kids are classed as "unteachable" but love dh's lessons.

[thewomanwhothoughtshewasahat]

ooo greensleeves you're right! she was a peripatetic teacher. deary me, fancy getting my pedagogic and my peripatetic confused. And there's me thinking I can apply for a job at a university.

[Blu]

In common usage, I am familiar with pedagogy being used to refer to the theory and methodology of teaching.
So 'pedagogic expertise' would mean being able to understand and discuss different methodologies and theories, decide which to apply in specific situatiuns, be able to set up research and evaluation in different teaching methods, use and employ different set appraches with a consciousness about it.....

[thewomanwhothoughtshewasahat]

thanks Blu - I think that makes sense in the context I have it. And no, I have absolutely no pedagogic expertise.

[Wembley]

I've only come across pedagogy in the way people learn. So a pedagogy way of approaching learning is childlike, very factual. Remember our old exam papers - they asked a question you wrote down the factual answer - eg. label this animal cell Whereas androgogy is a more adult way of teaching/learning - start to ask why things happened and the implications of things eg. rather than when did the second world war happen, who was in it etc it's more why did it happen, what were the implication of this treaty or this raid - blah, blah, blah!!!

[robinpud]

It is a word becoming more widely used in edcation and I think reflects a move towards recognising that the content is not the be all and end all; the way it is taught is much more important and educationalists are falling over themselves to define what is good teaching so that all us poor techers can be re- educated. Learning styles, brain gym, thinking skills, metacognitive plenaries etc etc

[thewomanwhothoughtshewasahat]

so if i slip metacognitive plenaries into an interview I'm in? (they sound painful though...). I have to say I agree very much though - always struck me at university that we are still somewhat stuck in a very old approach - the idea that we sit at the feet of the great and somehow absorb their greatness, (or pick up a few scraps.) That idea is a bit modelled on students as apprentices, learning by example. But most students don't want to be apprentices - ie they don;t want to become their teachers, so the apprenticeship model totally falls down. We don't go to university with dreams of becoming great scholars. I still think of people in togas sitting around Plato - similarly the Oxford graduation ceremony is very much based around that model and hasn't changed for hundreds of years - but funnily enough life's not like that anymore.

[moondog]

Woman,oh yes,stick 'meta' onto an adjective and you will sound very up to date.
Notwithstanding what Donbean says,I am of the old school of pedagogy which can be summed up as
'Bloody sit down,shut up and listen to me'

Was enormously effective in my own experience and in particular in a university I taught in in Russia. The students there were incredible. I used to tell them that it made me cringe thinking of how they would react to students supposedly at their level in the UK.

A group of staff (linguist/interpreters) had gone on a study tour in the States and were so appalled at the work set for them,that they reworote the syllabus.

[clerkKent]

Moondog, that sounds like the JFDI methodology we used to describe to applicants for a job in IT.

[moondog]

What's that then exactly cK??