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STEINER education - whats the low down?

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catASTROPHE · 25/03/2007 15:35

Just considering all the options for my DD who is almost 3.

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steinermum · 25/03/2007 18:41

Where are you and what do you want to know? I can give you a pretty warts and all view if that's what you want!

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TheodoresMummy · 25/03/2007 20:41

My DS is 3.4 and I too am considering all the options.

I went to an open day at the Elmfield Steiner School (Stourbridge) a few weeks ago and was thoroughly underwhelmed.

What sort of info are you after ? Whereabouts are you ? What other types of school have you thought about ?

Steinermum, I think I remember you posting about your DS going to a Steiner Kindergarten ? Is that right ?

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steinermum · 25/03/2007 21:01

Theo's mum: Hi, I have two boys 10 and 7 at a Steiner School and have been a parent there for five years so have a few insights to offer. I am not a Steiner groupie but do think the system has a lot of good things going for it.

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catASTROPHE · 25/03/2007 21:30

I saw you on the board steinermum, which is why i posted when i did!

I am in Derby, but we will be in australia when dd starts school. She goes to a lovely nursery now, and will stay there until she is 5, which is when we leave.

I'm really just wondering what the basic phtlosophy is - I've read a bit, but wondering what this means in practice in the school. Whats their day like? Advantages? Disadvantages? What sort of child do you think it suits? And anything else you think might help.

Ideally, we will Home Ed and she will go to some sort of school a day or two a week, although I don't know if this will be possible. Do you know if steiner schools tend to be flexible in this way?

I thought perhaps the classes might be mixed ages and so more likely to offer flexible places to older children as well as nursery age.

We will also look into montessori.

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steinermum · 25/03/2007 22:06

Cat - I want to give you a well thought out answer and am not in the right frame of mind to do so tonight, but I promise I will tomorrow xx

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catASTROPHE · 25/03/2007 22:16

thanks

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steinermum · 26/03/2007 14:22

Cat - OK, here goes. I think Steiner kindergartens are great, very homely, rythmical, lots of outdoor play, creative, hands on. Natural materials, linking in with the seasons and nature, the children are generally happy and nourished there.

Further up the school the lack of headteacher can be a real problem when it comes to dealing with difficult parents, poor teachers, discipline problems etc. If your child is lucky enough to get a good class teacher, then I think the curriculum is excellent, unfolding with the child at each stage of development. The lack of external assessment means the teacher is free to adapt the curriculum to the inividual children in their class but also means you're not really sure how your child is doing compared to the mainstream, if that's an issue for you. If you find a Steiner School that goes to age 16/18 the children will probably end up covering a similar amount of work to those in other schools, BUT they start the academic learning later and more slowly so if have to move them to another school at any point you'd have catch-up work to do in reading/writing/maths. Obviously if home-ed is also an option then you have nothing to worry about. Steiner education tends to stimulate not stultify their interest in learning.

There is a lifestyle expectation - home life rhythm, limited TV/computer etc and some parents and teachers can be very hard-line to the extent that they can be dismissive of those who try to live with a foot in the Steiner world and a foot in the modern world.

I had a look at your other posts and you sound like you're on a similar wavelength to Steiner thinking.

My children are happy at school. I find it all a bit hard work sometimes. Lots is expected of the parents in terms of supporting the school and some schools do shorter days and have longer holidays. Also,

On balance I would say I am pro the Steiner approach, but you really need to check out the management of whatever school you're interested in.

I'll be happy to answer any other questions!

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confusedandignorant · 26/03/2007 15:40

steinermummy what exactly is eurythmy have seen it on steiner school websites but they don't explain it very well

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confusedandignorant · 26/03/2007 15:41

also how does the teacher know you have a foot in both camps

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steinermum · 26/03/2007 20:09

Eurythmy is a form of movement, usually done to piano accompaniment, which helps children express words, sounds and musical notes through movements with their body. It's a bit like the musci and movement you will have done as a child. Boys don't tend to like it much, but girls do - it is a bit 'girly' i.m.o. BUT, it is bodily movement and as such is worthwhile I suppose!

The children always give it away that you have a feet in both camps by what they talk about in class and the games they play!!

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confusedandignorant · 26/03/2007 22:48

sounds quite nice for the little ones up to about seven, but must be difficult having the same teacher for several years. What happens if you get a teacher neither parent or child can get along with, is it possible for a teacher who is good with a five year old to be able to teach a thirteen year old to sufficient depth.

I don't think it would have suited DC's not artistic or sensitive enough

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TheodoresMummy · 27/03/2007 08:43

Sounds encouraging, Steinermum.

My DS is 3.3, very physical, loves the outdoors, is very boisterous (yet v. sensitive). I am very 'into' nature and the seasons.

I went to see one of the schools and was not impressed (with the teachers and feel of the place rather than the ethos or curriculum), but there is a Steiner Kindergarten in the next town to us which we are going to see. I think I will just be straight to the point about my DSs needs and hope they are enthusiastic.

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FillyjonkIsMilitantAboutFruit · 28/03/2007 10:17

am another steiner parent and went through system myself.

sm is absolutely right-class teacher is key. you do need to choose the teacher not the school, imo.

bullying can be another issue to be aware of ime. if the teacher is poor on this, there will be no outside recourse. otoh the small classes, the fact that parents tend to get to know each other and fact that kids stay in the same classes mean that bullying is perhaps less likely in the first place.

we plan to HE but atm the steiner kindergarten is a good addition to our lives.

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FillyjonkIsMilitantAboutFruit · 28/03/2007 10:18

and my god theosmummy, your ds sounds ideal for a steiner kindergarten. am sorry it was not what you were hoping for. ime kindergartens tend to have a lot of late school year boys past 4/5., btw.

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catASTROPHE · 28/03/2007 10:41

Thanks everyone, this is great food for thought. Will def check out the local steiner schools when we settle somewhere.

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confusedandignorant · 28/03/2007 11:08

how is it possible to choose a teacher, can you visit the class before enrolling

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Chattea · 29/03/2007 00:09

You don't choose the teacher, the school chooses the teacher. If you're lucky, as in my oler son's case, you get a fantastic teacher and they have a wonderful education. My younger son's class has not been lucky and we're waidint to see if the school can sort it out.

You would be expected to visit and for your child to spend a day or so at the school before enrollment.

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Chattea · 29/03/2007 00:11

Sorry, 'older'.
I'm a name change from Steinermum. Didn't want to get pigeon-holed on MN as, and I quote, 'an alpha eco-mum'. But I don't like this name I've chosen and will probably change again soon!!

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confusedandignorant · 29/03/2007 00:12

when you visit does DC spend a day with the prospective class teacher before you commit to them spending the next seven years with them

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Chattea · 29/03/2007 00:20

Yes, absolutely. The school will be assessing your child as much as vice verse, to see whether the child would gel with the class. How old is your child, Confusedandignorant and where do you live ??

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confusedandignorant · 29/03/2007 00:33

Too far away from any steiner school nearest is in Islington over one hour away, youngest DC would get into trouble for reading while still having milk teeth. but quite like the ideas of going with nature and life cycles rather than against it

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seeker · 29/03/2007 00:37

Just to add because you probably won't be thinking this way with vey little people,but little people grow up VERY fast,do ask about the possibilities for GCSE and A levels and whether they do any ITC (some don't). And ask about the teaching of religion (it was too Christian for me!) And ask about learning to read, and whether they really discourage it until at least 7, whether or not the child wants to learn. Ask tons of questions. Don't be completely swayed by the beautiful surroundings, the dancing and the music and the enchanting wooden toys. All these things are important - but there is a big wide world out there and all our children have to leand how to live in it!

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Chattea · 29/03/2007 00:50

Yep, I would agree with everything Seeker said. Our DS1 was a fluent reader when he wen to Kindergarten, but had been desperately unhappy in his first school. We certainly weren't 'told off' that he could read, they worked around it.

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Chattea · 29/03/2007 00:52

They don't promote any particular religion, but they do bring a 'spititual' element into daily rhythms and festivals eg candles, verses. Believe me, I was raised in a Catholic school and there's no way I would send my children to a religious school.

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twentypence · 29/03/2007 00:53

Who was is said on MN that Steiner schools are like any other private school but with more knitting? That's still my favourite MN quote.

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