Newbee on clomid for first time- support needed please help

[ray81]

Hi guys me and DH have been trying for 4 1/2 years have DD who is nearly 7 but this time it just isnt happening.
have had all tests and nothing wrong with either of us, just started clomid and am on day 20 but i have period pains already even though i didnt ov until day 16/17, whats that all about?
Seriously this is now doing my head in, one of my friends has just started trying and waiting to come on and i just know that she is going to be pg first month and i cant unserstand why that isnt me, why i cant fall so easily.
Sorry guys i know alot of you dont have any children and i am so lucky to have DD but i dont want her to be an only child i come from a big family and couldnt imagine her being on her own as she grows up and not having sisters or brothers to share things with.
Sorry to ramble any advie would be greatly received and to also know there are people who understand how i feel whould be great.

[AttilaTheMeerkat]

Hi ray81,

What tests have you had done to date and how old are the results?. I ask this as well as any test results over six months old should be discounted.

I ask this as well as some tests can be missed out for all sorts of reasons.

Presumably you do not as yet have a diagnosis of the problem so why has clomid been prescribed to you?. Usually this is given when ovulation problems are present.

Are you being monitored whilst on clomid, it is important that you are monitored whilst on this drug treatment.

Clomid's main job is primarily to make the ovaries work harder. Do not focus on thinking you ovulated on ay 16/17 because it is all too easy to get the ovulation date wrong.

HTH a bit

Attila

[Tigerschick]

Hi ray81

I was on Clomid for a few cycles before it was decided that it wasn't working for me. This is not to put you off but just to remind you that it is not a miracle cure ... I thought it was and was devastated when it didn't work first time. This is not to say it won't work for you, but it's better to expect nothing and get something than the other way 'round IMHO.

I wish you loads of luck - don't let any one tell you that, because you already have a DD, you are less deserving than people who haven't got any DC yet; it's not as if you getting treatment/pregnant is stopping someone else!

There are several threads here following people who are taking Clomid, have a look, they are really supportive

[ray81]

Hi Attila Hi Tigerschick.

I have had a die test a lap, numerous bloods, DH has had sperm and has high sperm count, last tests were June so all farely new. What other tests are there?

I dont have any probs at all perfectly healthy. clomid has been prescribed to hopefully increase my eggs and therefore my chances but am not being monitered at all which did confuse me alittle too.

I'm just hoping this will do the trick am just getting so disheartened and feel like giving up altogether.

[Tigerschick]

Attila is much better versed than I am in these matters so I'll leave her to tell you about other possible tests.

I would, however, query the monitoring situation. The two most common ways of monitoring you are blood tests or internal ultrasounds. I had ultrasounds but AFAIK blood tests are more common; I guess it depends on your cons. But you do need to be monitored, otherwise how do they know if it is working or not??

Good luck, again

[AttilaTheMeerkat]

Hi ray81,

The most common tests that tend to be omitted are:-

Adequate x-rays of the uterus which may show abnormalities not otherwise seen at laparoscopy.

Hysteroscopy - telescope inspection of the inside of the uterus which may occasionally show abnormalities not seen otherwise

Repeated sperm counts over several weeks and months to make sure there is no subtle abnormality

Testing the sperm in special media such as swim up tests and velocity testing. However, when they are done, they often uncover a hidden cause for the suppposed unexplained problem

Thorough hormone tests to detect abnormalities of male hormone or early falls in progesterone

Scanning of the ovaries to see if follicles really are developing and there are no sign of polycystic ovaries.

I would start asking this unit some awkward questions about your treatment to date. You should as a matter of course be monitored whilst on clomid. As Tigerschick (hello!) rightly points out if you are not monitored you have no way of knowing whether its working for you or otherwise.

[ray81]

umm yes have had the hysteroscopy at the same time as the lap, i had the ovaries checked to make sure i was ov and this all came back fine.

I will speak to GP about the other tests though sounds like they have missed out a few. I do feel like i have been brushed off most of the time as i already have DD and they cant be bothered.

I'm just realy hoping this clomid works so that we can just put an end to it, i will be happy with just the one more.

I just find the emotional side very draining.

How about you both what have you been trough?

[Tigerschick]

Hi ray

I also have a DD who was conceived naturally - but it took over 3 years. We agreed then that we'd just go with the flow and if we weren't meant to have children then so be it. Now, however we feel differently. We really don't want DD to be an only child, much like yourself.

So, when we had been trying for 4 months I went to the gp. I was really lucky as he arranged an ultrasound and an appointment with a specialist straight away.
The ultrasound showed that I have PCOS (have several of the other symptoms too) so that was the starting point for treatment.

I started on Clomid at 50mg for 2 months; then it was increased to 100mg (along with another drug called Metformin) and then to 150mg. After 2 months at the highest dose it was decided that I wasn't responding to it so we stopped.
Then next step was an injectable drug called Menopur which I didn't respond to either so then I was put onto a different injectable called Puregon which over stimulated me

So now ... I am just starting a course of Puregon at a lower dose along with Metformin. If this over-stimulates me then I'm having ovarian diathermy (recognise that course Attila ) but hopefully I'll respond to this course and get pg ... we'll have to wait and see.

On the monitoring front; I was having internal ultrasounds every month on CD14 (or thereabouts) when I was on Clomid. This was increased to every other day from CD8 onwards when I moved onto the injectables.

Really hope that your journey is shorter than mine! I have a good friend who conceived her son on her third month of Clomid at 50mg - and she didn't respond at all the first month - so it can and does happen

[Tigerschick]

Should have said that my first appointment with the specialist was mid-July of last year... really hope your journey is less eventful and much shorter

[ray81]

Well guys,

Just found out that my mate is pg after one month of trying and only having sex once.
To say i am emotional reck i think may be a bit of an understatment. Dont get me wrong i'm happy for her its her second and she wanterd them close together so its workjed for her. I just cant stop crying. found out yesterday and have been crying ever since from silent tears to full blown sobs and i cant control it. I just want to know why not me what have i ever done thats so wrong, am i such an awful person that i dont deserve another child.

Oh my god any one got any tips to calm me down.

[Tigerschick]

Oh, Ray - that really is the pits!
I have 2 friends and one acquaintance atm who all became pg by mistake!!
One of the friends is my oldest friend from school, when she first told me she went off on one about how unfair it was that she was pg and that she didn't really want to be but hey ho etc etc. It took all my self-control not to hit her! I wouldn't mind but she knows what I am going though.

I can't really advise you on how to stay calm except to say that there is no 'reason' for her being pg and you not being. She didn't do anything different or special, it's just the luck of the draw, sadly. I know it's not much but it's the truth.

Really hope you are feeling brighter very soon

[ray81]

Oh my god i would have wanted to hit her to, its awful when people say things like that.

I was at my mums yesterday and my cousin was there, now i have DD with first boyfriend so she isnt DH although he treats her as his own. My cousin started going on about how some people just arent meant to have kids together, i told her to take a running jump and did she think that i wanted to hear things like that. i realy wanted to thump her. sometimes i wonder what on earth is going on in there heads when they say things like that.

I'm not crying anymore, has tyo pull myself together at some point but still feel very depressed and negative at mo i realy hope i come out of it.

How are you responding to the new drugs? i rwealy hope they work for you.

Lots of baby dust your way xxxx