Summerbird - I know you want this for me too! And I think it will happen if it meant to be!! Through this I am realising alot about myself and our relationship. It's not such a bad thing, because I think I'm learning something about me and about our relationship.

Anyhow, will have a good think about some books!!! I have a ton arriving as my family got me book vouchers . It's all I wanted for my birthday!

BSL x

I could do actually, i am trying to get through Pippa Lee but am halfway through so will persevere with it, have a look for something and i will too.

Glad you are feeling better today BSL, I so want this to happen to you too and am here for all the support you wish for

x

Summerbird - I didn't think of the Pam bit...but now you've said it, I totally agree! I thought that letter was so lovely too! But being very cynical, I also thought it was a bit too much like a goodbye letter for my liking! I definitely liked it enough to lend it to my SIL when I see her next!

Anyhow, do you fancy another book?? You should try to fit a few in before your PG brain kicks in too much! My sis loved reading and then got PG and couldn't finish a book! Even now she struggles a bit, but that's partly being a stay-at-mum and having a very busy baby to deal with.

dawn and crunchy DO NOT READ THIS - SPOILER ALERT!!!!!

You know what BSL by the end of the book i had forgotten about the psychic and therapist, so now you come to mention it - it was a bit of a red herring, perhaps that was well written in the way you wanted them to be something but they were nothing at all...?

Enid really freaked me out, i got quite uncomfortable reading her story, i found it unbelievable that Clayton carried on living with her after she murdered the love of his life (Patricia) and Todd, how could he just live with their assassin without sneaking off to the polioe (and of course leaving his daughter behind). Enid and Jeremy's motives were to kill Cynthia and Grace because Clayton had left everything in the will to them, thus making the will intestate. Or were you not convinced by that?

I dont think Enid would ever be happy with what she got, and i think she knew she couldnt drive Clayton away because she had this scary hold on him, i dont know some of that may be unbelievable. I liked the subtexts, at first i wasnt sure whether it was Patricia, maybe i had the same 'witness protection' idea as you.

I sussed towards the end that Rolly was giving the money to Tess but it did take a while, i did wonder that he knew more than he was letting on but i too was shocked that he killed Tess and the detective - i guess his motive was tha he didnt want to be found out about the other murder years ago (as clayton would have shopped him if Tess uncovered the truth)

I LOVED the Vince story, even though he was a nutcase i loved the stepfather loyalty towards Jane, he only helped Terry coz of Jane not because of Cyn, i dont think he would have cared otherwise, and how bizarre that he could have gone to the police with what he saw on the night and maybe eased Cyns demons years beforehand.

I did enjoy it and as i say the letter at the end made me cry as it is the type of thing my mother says to me (when she is in a good mood!!!). I would read his books again and could see that as a film. I dont think you are being harsh though, you did enjoy it but i agree there were some pointless elements to it (oh and i thought that the best mate Pam had something to do with it as she kept telling Cyn to forget it - another red herring!)

Hey Summerbird,

Given Dawn and Crunchy enough time now!

I had an inkling about Rolly too. But not enough to think he'd killed Tess and the detective. I got the feeling he kept trying to change the subject and wasn't interested...it was weird. I was sad those two got killed off, I really liked them both.

I actually thought Clayton had gone through some kind of police protection program and he took his wife and son because no one would be looking for a family of three, just a family of four. I also quite liked the book's idea that he was secret service! But it wasn't either of those two solutions...in some ways the book was good for making you really wonder...like Cyn...what happened and made yo come up with bizarre solutions, like me!

I found Enid a difficult character to understand, probably becausem despite the strange little interludes, I had no idea of her or Jeremy's motives etc. Jeremy, I kinda got, but Enid had had everything she'd wanted and needed and still did so much damage to drive Clayton away...it seemed odd. If he'd done something before, in the run up to finding Patricia, but he'd done everything to keep her happy and give her a good life. I found that weird.

Anyhow...I hated the mystic bit...what was that character for? It came to nothing. And although I know the shrink was necessary, she could have been bigger in all of this. She was helping Cyn and Terry and she'd been meeting Tess too...but all she was there for was to agree Cyn was losing the plot.

I liked it, I couldn't put it down, but I wouldn't pick it up again I don't think.

Am I being harsh??

BSL x

I kind of had an inkling about the Tess/Detective thing towards the end but didnt want to believe it but i did think that he knew more than he was letting on given the relationship. (you know who i am talking about!)

the actual twist was a surprise but quite a realistic one, i didnt want it to be too far fetched and i wasnt disappointed.

i cried at the end though! made me think about my relationship with my mother and that is exactly how she would have put it!

Hi Summerbird,

I totally agree that sometimes things don't happen easily, or you don't get what you want straight away and you appreciate them all the more when you do!! I'd definitely say that about my DH!

Anyhow, enough of the soppiness!

I've finished the book!! I couldn't stop reading at the end, I just had to know what happened. It wasn't what I thought and there were a few unexpected twists and turns.

What did you think overall?? I think we can give the plot away, as I don't think Dawn and Crunchy are joining us for this book. Guys - if you are, shout now!!!

I'm not sure I loved it...but I had to know what happened. Now I know, I still think the plot and what happened could have been better. Sounds awfully arrogant, but I think my ideas for what could have happened might have been more interesting. I totally didn't see the thing about Tess and the detective coming!!! (Don't want to give anything away, til Dawn and Crunchy have a couple of hours to see this.)

Anyway, it'll be good to hear what you thought!

BSL x

what a lovely message thank you! my mother always taught me that some things just need to be dealt with and gotten over, i am going to have a one to one with this girl (lets just call her girl B) today and girl A is back in tomorrow so i might bite the bullet and do the same with her (even though she is REALLY scary!).

Here's hoping today is better!! And i know we will both get PG, but i always think that you need to work for the things yuo really want in order to appreciate them.

right i am finished with my words of wisdom (!!) and am glad you are enjoying the book, i found it addictive towards the end!! I am still struggling with Pippa Lee but am going to persevere as you have all said it got better.

Have a good day x

Summerbird - how awful!! I'm sorry you have some rubbish work colleagues! I know exactly what you're going through! I always cry when I am angry too...so annoying. I hope you get somehwere quickly with this new job! But I'm also proud of you for standing up and shouting that girl down today! I wish I had a bit more courage to have done the same over the past year. I have to work with a couple of back-stabbers and one really unpleasant girl! I guess I'm lucky being able to work from home most of the time.

I also know we're in the same boat too...waiting for test results and stuff. I kinda felt you weren't really feeling too positive about this cycle. We'll be okay. It just might take us a little longer and might be a little harder...I'm pretty sure we'll make it though. To me, you seem like someone who can deal with stuff that's thrown at them. I know we'll be okay and have small people soon.

Oh and loving loving the book!! about 2/3rds through now!! Had a mammoth session at lunch and this evening!

BSL x

aw thanks for your concern BSL i am having a rubbish time at work at the mo, basically there are two girls who are trouble makers and one of them had a go at me today saying i was basically picking on the other girl, so i let her have it - i told her exactly how i feel and left work angry almost in tears (would NEVER let them see me cry!). so unjustified, but i went for a run after work to beat out the frustration.

anyway sorry for the mini rant but thanks for listening! How are you anyway? I think we have the same mindset at the moment, waiting for confirmation of our fertility before looking for symptoms which is probably a good thing IYSWIM. Has your DH heard anything about his tests?