Happy New Year! Happy New Paul McKenna Thread Number 11. Healthy Weight Loss Without Restricting Your Enjoyment Of Food! Come Join The Paulettes For Support And Chat.

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GoodKingWenSOLOslas Tue 01-Jan-13 03:58:46

Welcome to thread 11 of the Paul McKenna's I Can Make You Thin weight loss system.

The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system are:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. After all, eating a meal is not a competition.
Many people have issues around food. Many of us have been brought up by the 'clear your plate' parents of yesteryear which leave us feeling guilty if we leave even the smallest morsel of food, but we are working through this guilt or any other hang up we might have, and we are learning to leave a bit on the plate; return to it another time if we really want to or even feed it to the dog or the bin!
So!! forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!!

The Paul McKenna system really works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

You don't have to buy the book and CD, but we have found that they do help and somehow they keep you on track, so it would probably be a good investment and will cost you far less than a couple of trips to WW or SW meetings, so do consider having them in your life.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry OH NO we're not!!! so come on in and start living your new life today and make 2013 your year to drop a dress size or several.

Dottiespots Tue 01-Jan-13 06:18:15

Hekli

Dottiespots Tue 01-Jan-13 06:19:32

Or......hello in English

OComeAllYeFaithBaby Tue 01-Jan-13 07:27:50

Howdy Paulettes!

ppeatfruit Tue 01-Jan-13 10:58:45

OOH FANTASTIC NEW THREAD TITLE WELL DONE AND MANY THANKS SOLO!!!!!!! ALSO HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL!!!! thanks BBB it was a lovely 'do' and they even did a great deal of the washing up shock

aws If you have listened to the P.M. C.D.s he refers to an experiment done in the 2nd W.W. In which the guinea pigs (human of course) were fed a 'starvation' diet of 1500 cals. !!!!! You are eating much too little!!!!

Deafworm Tue 01-Jan-13 13:17:27

Wowee thread 11, I can't believe it's been 2 years since I asked if anyone fancied joining me following this system!

Now you've heard this before but I'm back to following the programme and keeping up with you all. 2012 was pretty rough, my marriage nearly fell apart (time will tell on that score) and my ( at the time) 10 week old got 2 successive chest infections it took 6 weeks of no sleep and serious worry (as well as steroids, anti biotics and nebulisers) before he began to improve its been nearly 8 weeks now and he's slowly heading towards health and a reasonable sleeping pattern that doesn't involve getting up at 3am daily! I did way too much comfort eating through both of those periods but I'm confident nowhere near as much as I would have pre Paul!

So 2 years on I've lost the grand total of 4lb but after a year of pregnancy, newborn and life stresses I'm actually quite pleased bizarrely. It's time to crack down now though. I will be 29 in 20 days and I don't intend to see in my thirties this size, I'm done having babies so there's no excuse now. So by the 31st December 2013 I want to be 10st, that's 6st 9lb to go!

Good luck and happy new year to you all (please excuse my self indulgent rambling grin )

GoodKingWenSOLOslas Tue 01-Jan-13 14:02:29

Happy New Year everyone! glad you like the new title. I tweaked the opening post a bit too smile

Welcome back Deafworm it's great to hear the determination in your post, so well done!!

I can't believe that it is two years (next month) that we went to the seminar! I mean, where has that time gone exactly?!! My Dd turned 6 on Boxing Day, when she really should still be just 2! I can now say that NEXT year I will be 50 shock when I really should only be 35 grin.

I have been posting rather late as some of you may have noticed, but I now have to get back into 'normal' to see to the Dc's in a weeks time and then to get back to work sad . I have a hell of a lot to get done over the next two weeks, so I may not be around much, but I am watching and looking to you all for inspiration as I am still in need of losing at least another stone! I so want to go back in my uniform, that is still hanging in my wardrobe!!!

So! I will make an effort to post, but not sure how often and if you see me on here after midnight, please tell me to bugger off to bed.

I really hope that 2013 is the year that we all finally feel at home with ourselves and join pp in 'maintenance'. Happy New Year Everyone!!!

ppeatfruit Tue 01-Jan-13 14:19:21

Deafworm grin fantastic to hear from you; well done for the New Year's resolution!!

Deafworm Tue 01-Jan-13 15:24:27

Thanks solo, I am determined you are right. I'm actually quite looking forward to my 30's and having slightly more independent children as they get older, hopefully qualifying as a teacher and I'm sure plenty of other adventures, I don't intend to be slow and tired all the time, I want to enjoy myself. The last 2 years have flown haven't they, dd3 was 18 months and ds (I didn't even imagine I would get a ds) was just a plan! The seminar has had lasting effects for me even though the weight hasnt come off in the way id hoped at the time, it did for a while and i was the fittest ive been since my teens late on in the year but ds pregnancy took its toll on that score. i feel so much happier in my own skin now though.

When is your birthday? Maybe we need a big birthday meet up seeing as we have at least 2 milestones next year! I'm sure you can lose that stone and get into your uniform, good luck

Hi pp, I did restart on November 1st but Alex fell ill on the 9th and I came to the conclusion weight loss wasnt that important in the grand scheme at the time. He's getting there now (well actually he's on our rug being 'loved' by his big sisters!) so off I go....again! How are you?

ppeatfruit Tue 01-Jan-13 18:31:18

Thanks solo I hope everything is going well on ALL fronts IFYKWIM (nudge nudge wink wink. I know exactly what you mean about time though. grin

I'm really well thanks deafworm I DO need to hit P.M. a bit harder again after Xmas and N.Y. but it doesn't take long to lose the muffin top grin as long as i'm vigilant. I take nettle supplements after a toxin blow out and it works well!

BigBaubledBertha Tue 01-Jan-13 19:56:44

Happy New Year!

Just marking my place.

New leaf, new start etc etc needed.

I need inspiration!!!

Dottiespots Tue 01-Jan-13 20:02:58

Hi Ladies and thanks for the new thread Solo, thanks PP for the information and thanks BBB and everyone else. This thread I am beginning to realise really is quite brilliant in helping people keep on track with their PM mindful eating me included. Your right that under 1500 cals per day is not alot so hopefully by keeping the diary I can see what I eat and how much. So Solo, are you fifty next year? How do you feel about that then.

ppeatfruit Tue 01-Jan-13 20:59:37

Aws you're very welcome to the info smile. BTW once you're properly 'into' the P.M. WOE you won't need a diary; I've lost nearly 3 stone and have never counted a calorie in my life!!!

BigBaubledBertha Tue 01-Jan-13 23:43:38

You don't have to calorie count with a food diary. Some of us don't realise we eat as much as we do but if you have decided you have to record it then you learn to pay more attention. I suppose really it helps with the mindfulness so it can be a sort of a preliminary step to the PMcK way of eating. Once things weight starts shifting then you know you are on the right tracks and you won't need it.

By the sounds of it though, it does sound like you aren't eating enough although one day of 900 calories will be alright so maybe you do need to continue with the diary a bit. It only becomes a problem when you do it every day. The basis of the Alternate day Diet for example, is that you eat very little one day and eat normally the next and it is very effective as a way of losing weight so one day of v low calories is helpful in that instance. It is a shame that you can't live that way indefinitely because it works and is actually very good for you, just horribly extreme and not compatible with normal life. <<sighs>>

Dottiespots Wed 02-Jan-13 01:18:45

Thing is with the Alternate day diet though is that you back in th diet mentality which screws your head up again doesnt it.

GoodKingWenSOLOslas Wed 02-Jan-13 02:04:53

smile I will be 49 in March Deafworm
I actually hated turning 30, but have found all birthdays (read age) since then absolutely fine tbh. Not sure about being 50, but I plan on a big party and you can all come if you would like and are able to smile
I'm very lucky in that I can pass reasonably well for 35/36 most of the time. Good genes and good skin from both sides.

pp I saw the new man on Sunday and we just sat in his place talking. We seem to talk about work all the time, so I'm determined that next time, we will find out more about one another. I've been single for so long and felt very guarded for the same that I'm not really sure if there is chemistry between us or not. I guess it could develop, but I'm not feeling any at the moment. I'm not a jump into the sack with any old guy type of gal, but I'm wondering whether that might actually jump start the chemical reaction IYSWIM? blush any thoughts?

Dottiespots Wed 02-Jan-13 03:19:36

Hi Solo....Im 51 but like you people are very surprised because they always think im in my mid thirties too. Sure is good for the ego. I have found that after forty its definately harder to shift the weight. Its true what they say about middle age spread....whoever they are!!...As for the man...mmmm. dont know ....sometimes sex can awaken the passion and sometimes it can tell you that you dont find him attractive. But...your definately entitled to do whatever you want now as when I turned 50 I decided that I was old enough now to make choices that are daring. The only one Ive done so far is to leave my job....I ran a small boutique and did personal styling but the boss was a big user so I left. Looking for something else now though. Would like to work in Next I think......am also studying with the OU this year ....doing a course in Management.

BigBaubledBertha Wed 02-Jan-13 10:58:06

Well precisely aws it does mess with your head - well not so much mess with your head - it just becomes really hard work. I did it for a while. Lost 2 stone too but I couldn't keep up the discipline - I ate more and more on the down days and didn't adjust the up days. It is a shame as ultra low cal diets are found to improve your life expectancy and general health but of course you live a miserable existence for ever more which kind of makes you not want to live longer in the first place.wink I think we all do better to get some balance.

All I was saying is that you said you ate 900 calories one day and others were saying that it isn't enough but if you were eating normally and this was unusual then by itself it wouldn't be stopping you from losing weight, it should have helped. It would only stop you losing weight if you were only every consuming 900 calories.

BigBaubledBertha Wed 02-Jan-13 11:13:47

ever not every.

Solo - I think by the 4th date, if you feel the urge to test the chemistry, why not? It wouldn't be too daring or judge worthy (if anybody felt that way inclined which they shouldn't because it is none of their business). But it sounds like you feel you need to know more about the guy first and you aren't ready to let your guard down yet. Of course I only have what you say to go on but that is what it looks like to me, from the other side of a computer screen.smile

ppeatfruit Wed 02-Jan-13 11:24:54

So kissing isn't a euphemism then sols? I wasn't sure grin wink That is a very sensible way to be esp. as you have had rotten luck with men.

aws i'm nearly 62 OMG I can't believe it! I mentioned it 'cos the Paul Mckenna has shifted the weight that had gone on slowly over many years and i thought was going to be VERY difficult if not impossible to lose grin esp. with DD1 saying things like "Oh it's fine to not worry when you get to your age!" I'm SO pleased I didn't listen to her!

GoodKingWenSOLOslas Wed 02-Jan-13 16:02:58

<sharp intake of breath!!> No!!!!!! no, not a euphemism at all pp good God no! It may have been if there was immediate chemistry but there wasn't.

I wish I was that stone lighter. I might just feel more like jumping his bones...but I'm not going to dash into it. No, I've had too many arsehole men in my life so far to want another one.

ppeatfruit Wed 02-Jan-13 16:14:17

Yes exactly Sol but why would you have to be stone lighter? Either he turns you on or he doesn't IFYSWIM grin

Dottiespots Wed 02-Jan-13 17:04:44

Hi Ladies....Solo....I think I would have to agree with pp on that one...if he really turned you on then you would just be desperate to go for it wouldnt you? Do you fancy him Solo?
BBB...did you put the weight back on again after the alternate day diet? I do a nod to low carb myself as carbs dont like me much and I know that bad carbs are not good health wise.

PP. how old is your daughter? Mine is 22 and she eats what she wants, when she wants it and stops when shes full. Shes always done it without thinking. I made sure that my kids didnt grow up with food issues like me so it was interesting to see the way they ate. They are both slim and no food hangups.

ppeatfruit Wed 02-Jan-13 17:28:25

My eldest is nearly 33 shock and youngest hmm is nearly 30 they DO have a few hang ups (more to do with DH's genes I think 'cos we tried to bring them up without any (no force feeding or empty plate club behaviour). But my DM has dieted all her life ASFAIK so I've inherited her hang ups I suppose and they've rubbed off bit on them, our youngest DS as well is a bit strange around food.

But IMO due to modern foods what is normal ? As you say most carbs are just empty calories,There is an amazing book out called Wheat Belly by William Davis M.D. which says it all about wheat;DH is terrible with it and it exhausts me. So we try to keep away from it which is difficult in France as you can imagine grin

Dottiespots Wed 02-Jan-13 18:16:49

Hi pp...yes I have bought Wheat Belly but have only just started reading it. I have read alot about how carbs (mostly bad carbs ) are responsible for alot of the diseases that are around as well as allergies and also one of the main reasons for people being overweight. Do the French actually eat alot of carbs on the whole though? I feel very tired and sluggish after eating cakes and biscuits so try to avoid them and get tummy aches too.

Dottiespots Wed 02-Jan-13 20:08:04

A lady who has her own little facebook blog of her experiences on the PM way of eating has just purchased his latest book which is the same thing as I can make you thin but with a hypnotic gastric bypass band cd included. She is going to try it out soon so I am really looking forward to seeing how she gets on. Dont think its for me though as I want to try and just eat normally but will be interesting to see how she does.

bopper198 Wed 02-Jan-13 20:46:32

Hiya everyone can I join in your thread? I have been trying to do the I can make you thin for years.

I also have a page on facebook called paul mckenna I can make you thin, my journey which I plan to use more now. As I have decided that this year I am going to do it. And its always nice to have the support of people who are in the same position as you.

Also I have just bought and read his new book the gastric band one.

Hope you dont mind me joining in.

Dottiespots Wed 02-Jan-13 21:29:16

Hi bopper......Im so glad to see youve joined the thread. It was you I was talking about in my post before you. And.....you WILL do it this year. I dont know what it is but since finding this thread I have stuck to PM WOE with no trouble and thats without listening to the cd yet or looking at the book. It must be the constant support of all these lovely ladies and Im actually quite excited that I think I have finally "got it". Talk soon. x

monkey13 Wed 02-Jan-13 21:43:18

hello i have been dong this since 2007, but have struggled lat few years since having babies¬

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 02-Jan-13 22:53:17

Hello you lot - found you grin Happy New Year <mwah>

Solo go slowly with the man - and I am really NOT a prude, DH and I woke up together the day after we first met <ahem>
You have got so much on your plate, the last thing you need is to be thrown off kilter by relationship issues.

I totally get feeling like you don't know whether you fancy him or not because you don't feel good about yourself. I'm pissed off with myself because I've done no exercise since the end of November (succession of poorly children and then poorly self) and have eaten too much through December (tiredness and Christmas). I have therefore put on several pounds, and a couple of inches around the middle.
I have totally gone off sex because I feel horrid and lumpy and lethargic.

Welcome angel, bopper and monkey smile

I am going to weigh and measure tomorrow morning, and start at the beginning of the book and journal again with the exercises and everything.

BigBaubledBertha Wed 02-Jan-13 23:23:36

Hello everybody. Welcome to bopper and monkey. smile

Nice to see you Alibaba - it seems ages since you were here but it sounds like you have a good reason not to be bothered with this. I hope you are all fighting fit now.

aws - yes, I did put the weight back on. Well most of it, not all and then I lost a stone with PMcK but a bit of that has gone back on too because I haven't really been doing what I was supposed to - too much else going on really. What did surprise me was that even when I wasn't doing the Alternate day thing, it did take quite a while for the weight to start to go back on which the science suggested would be the case. I stopped doing it properly and when the weight didn't go straight back I kind of thought I had got away with it and I didn't need to worry any more. It didn't last forever though. They say that the residual effects of the diet on your hormones and appetite do linger but obviously it isn't permanent.

In the end it was hard work and not really how I wanted to live my life. It was OK during term time when I was able to eat very little during the day and do my own thing, but when the children were home and I had to join in with their lunch, it was more of a challenge (but I find that with Pauling too - damn those childrengrin). It was an interesting experience doing the Alternate Day thing, as I was doing a psychology course on the effects of ageing on the brain at the time and it sort of overlapped with reading about the diet and very low cal eating so it had a certain credibility that a lot of the more bizarre diets don't. I just wish it was more doable. I just don't have the focus and the interest in food that is required for it all really.

All water under the bridge. I need to refocus and get back to proper Pauling. No more excuses.

GoodKingWenSOLOslas Thu 03-Jan-13 01:13:48

I did fancy him when we met; I mean I was doing the chatting up which I never do so I really must have. I just think that I'm very guarded and not intentionally, I just can't rush into anything right now and yes, you are right Ali, I do have a lot happening. I'm no prude either by the way wink.
I will take it as slowly as I want to I think...I think that he is not alpha enough to go for it himself, or maybe he's been through the marital mill and a bit scared too, or maybe he is crap in the bedroom and knows it or maybe he's picking up on my barriers. We share the same birthday and if he's as sensitive as I am, then I can see that he'll feel my worries.
I was a svelte size 12 the last time I had sex and keep in mind that I have been completely sex free for more than 4 years and have in fact only DTD twice since I was pg with Dd and she's now 6 sad
Writing that down makes me feel even worse.

I am going to keep going with the weight loss.

Welcome new ladies smile sorry about the <ahem> personal chat blush.

I rather like the sound of the new disc!

I've heard of that 5:2 diet which sounds awful to me.

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Jan-13 09:53:00

Morning Everyone grin Happy New Year esp. Ali it's nice to hear from you again (there's so much going on in this thread ATM which is brilliant but a bit confusing!!)

Oh and a great big welcome to bopper and monkey grin There's a MNer who's going to come on here her name is*sarah crowe* she's got the virtual gastric band book and I suggested that we'd be interested in her experiences.Is that the name of the FB lady aws? many congrats for 'getting' the P.M. way BTW!!

ref. Sex with body issues grin could you not turn down the lights, give him a glass of something nice, put on mood music etc. and jump on him sols? IMO It's nice that he's also taking it easy.I agree about the sound of the 5:2 diet!

OComeAllYeFaithBaby Thu 03-Jan-13 10:17:25

Morning all! Welcome to bopper and monkey! Great to have you here grin Please post often and ask questions, some of us long termers need a prod to post regularly!

I'm Faith. Been Pauling for nearly a year shock I'm currently 5 months pregnant so not trying to lose weight but working on Pauling so I don't gain too much! smile

solo there wasn't a massive spark with me and DH initially, more of a slow grower! There's no rush if you like him.

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Jan-13 10:24:22

Are you over the lurgie now ocome? i was going to recommend you looked at yr dairy intake 'cos I get those symptoms as soon as I have more than the tiniest bit of dairy; but taking elderflower tea and echinacea is a wonderful help!

OComeAllYeFaithBaby Thu 03-Jan-13 10:27:43

No sadly still full of it, although the terrible earache and sinus pains have gone. I can't have echinacea with the bump (apparently). I know I should reduce the dairy but its the only thing giving me comfort! I reckon I'll be over the worst by tomorrow. Fortunately DH and I both got a better night's sleep last night which helped!

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Jan-13 10:42:14

OComeElderflower is very gentle and it clears horrible phlegmy coughs TMI but i'm sure you know what I mean! You can use other non dairy milks for hot drinks though. I LOVE organic soya milk (get the best one you can though 'cos a lot of them are not rich enough for that comfort hit!). DH has to cut his dairy cream in his coffee otherwise he gets asthma immediately after he drinks it.!

Oh I just remembered that the acupressure ex, I gave tb is quite miraculous for coughs I'll give it ti you if you're interested.

bopper198 Thu 03-Jan-13 11:15:27

Hiya everyone I am the facebook lady, lol. My name is katherine johns but I prefere kate.

I am more motivated to do it this year. I suppose the new year always feels like a good new begining.
I would be interested in hearing about sarahs experience with the gastic band book. And everyone elses weight loss journey. I think its always easier when you have the support of others in the same position.

Hope you have a good day.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 03-Jan-13 13:44:59

Eek - girls Paul is doing a web chat! On Monday! Everyone think of some good questions grin

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Jan-13 13:55:37

EEEk I've got there first Ali !!!! I can't do the live chat though 'cos our connections are not THAT brilliant!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 03-Jan-13 13:57:20

On here?!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 03-Jan-13 14:00:28

Yes!

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Jan-13 14:00:35

Yes look at the latest news window.!!!!!!

GoodKingWenSOLOslas Thu 03-Jan-13 16:36:14

Argh!!! I can't do the web chat either! I'm throwing a party for Dd that doesn't finish until 1.30 and I don't have a webcam (though I could probably borrow one!). I'm gutted! and you get a freebie copy too if you join in! <weeps> I'm gutted some more sad

GoodKingWenSOLOslas Thu 03-Jan-13 16:38:57

<completely forgets about the sex thing!>

Welcome bopper198 smile

BigBaubledBertha Thu 03-Jan-13 17:50:01

PMcK has been banging on about his latest tour and new book on FB too. I wouldn't worry about not seeing him on the webchat. I think we are going to be seeing a lot of him everywhere for the next few weeks.

What are the odds he is booked onto the One Show within the next fortnight do you think? Probably a slot on breakfast telly I shouldn't wonder and probably a slot of either Steve Wright or Jeremy Vine <<cynical>>

Cynicism aside I am interested in how the gastric band stuff is different to what we are doing. I just hope it doesn't start straying into the world of the faddy diet.

AnnMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 03-Jan-13 18:15:44

Hello folks - sorry to butt in but just a quick note to say you don't need a webcam to take part in the chat with Mr Mc - or even to be around on Monday - you can post a question now on the thread or join in on the day - webcam or not! The chat will happen on the thread as with other mn webchats, it's just the hangout bit afterwards which requires webcams.
ENJOY!

BigBaubledBertha Thu 03-Jan-13 18:58:51

Thanks AnnMumsnet. smile

I'm sure we'll all take a gander at some point.

Deafworm Thu 03-Jan-13 20:55:31

I may have just bared my soul on the chat thread but a thank you was in order I think. I'm quite overexcited about it though, last time was great and has made such a difference to me.

Welcome, angel, bopper and monkey, this thread is so useful, I'm terrible for forgetting to post and the moment I lose touch I lose the momentum with my eating too. Bopper I've liked your page so plan to follow how the gastric band works for you, I have so much to lose I'm very tempted, heck I've been tempted by the real thing, but I'm Breastfeeding so I doubt it's possible at the moment. Hopefully by the time I'm not feeding I won't need it grin

I can't bring myself to cut out wheat or dairy completely but when I drink soya milk and avoid bread I find I feel much better in my tummy, cutting out cheese and the odd cake is just not happening though its why I like pm so much!

I listened to the trance earlier and actually hit the eating slowly etc properly for the first time (this time at least) tonight, there's something quite satisfying about a smaller plate still not cleared! How are you all doing?

bopper198 Thu 03-Jan-13 21:54:47

Hiya thank you for all the welcoming comments you all seem very freindly.

This year is going to be great. Deafworm thank you for liking my page. And thanks for the support. I haveone more 'christmasey' day left, then I am starting my gastric journey on saturday. How is everyone else doing?

Dottiespots Thu 03-Jan-13 22:14:22

The Facebook lady I mentioned is bopper198 and Deafworm has already liked her page.

Deafworm....read your post on PM questiontime and its really touching.
Im still doing well and enjoying reading everyones posts as it really keeps us on the straight and narrow....ish.

Solo Fri 04-Jan-13 00:35:17

*Deafworm, one of my best and dearest friends had a gastric sleeve last year and has lost an amazing 5 stones. She feels so restricted though, can eat so little, can't enjoy a meal out, can't drink much more than water and can't move her bowels without laxatives and will be like this until her last breath. She said that she'd never recommend it to anyone sad

Solo Fri 04-Jan-13 00:41:42

Bopper I can't find you on fb.

Rosylee1976 Fri 04-Jan-13 08:09:06

Hello!

So it's been a while since I was on here. I have unfortunately gained lots more weight and have really struggled to do anything about it. I intend to recommit to PMK since I know it is a programme that works. I just have to understand why I give up for no apparent reason despite seeing real weight loss. Also need to keep coming onto the forum as this is where the support is at!

Happy New Year!

Rosy

ppeatfruit Fri 04-Jan-13 10:13:18

Welcome back rosy you know that we ALL go off and on this (it's just one of its great advantages!!!) It'll be interesting to find out how P.M.'s new book will be different or just another of the same or similar hmm grin

Thanks AnnMN you're not butting in BTW we welcome all on here!!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 04-Jan-13 10:27:28

Hi Rosy - don't beat yourself up, just start again smile

Ppeat I'm really interested to see what the new book is like too.

Deafworm Fri 04-Jan-13 10:37:18

Good luck with it bopper, I look forward to seeing how you do.
Thanks aws, I was ill that day and nearly didn't go but I'm so so glad I did even if I never lose another ounce that day changed a lot of things for me. That's interesting to hear solo, whilst I've considered the real thing I doubt I would ever go for it, it doesn't sound like a very happy life for your friend, the hypnotic version is very tempting though smile
Hi rosy, your comments sound very familiar, I'm being stubborn and determined this time to stick at it, good luck getting back downtown it and figuring out why you go off it. Have you looked at the self sabotage stuff in the book?

HavingALittleFaithBaby Fri 04-Jan-13 10:44:56

rosy welcome back! It's human nature. That's why. Even Paul expects it! That's the beauty of his system rather than going to a fat club and bring told you've let them down! hmm Time to dig back in to the book.

sarahcrowe Fri 04-Jan-13 11:15:44

Hi - please can I join you all?
I have tried ICMYT in the past and for a few weeks so really improvements but now the thought of listening to the CD again ( I think I know it backwards! ) makes me feel like it isn't going to work!
I have just read the Paul's latest book Gastric Band but have some queries about it.
Please could someone post the 2 links to the blog and FB page please as I need all the help I can get here!
Also I am on chemotherapy and with Xmas etc seemed to have piled on about 10 lbs in 6 weeks. Awful. sad
Sx

Hello lovely ladies. HAPPY NEW YEAR to you all.

Welcome back to "oldies" and hello smile to "newbies".

I missed the starting of this new thread, but I am glad I found you all again.

Very happy today when I stepped on the scales I had lost 3lb-ish since my last weigh in and that was despite eating the most I have eaten in 6 months over Christmas. Wooohooooo!! grin

HavingALittleFaithBaby Fri 04-Jan-13 12:02:07

Welcome to Sarah! Blimey it's all go!

Sarah could some of it be water retention? My Mum was very bloated on chemo.

PA well done you! smile

ppeatfruit Fri 04-Jan-13 12:06:28

Great to see you on here sarahcrowe glad you made it ,we all have to fight negativity !!!
Also it's brill to hear from positive again; grin sounds like very good news from you well done.

I sooo agree with havingAlittle; Fat clubs are just a temporary expensive solution; I'm still a size 10! A touch tighter after the Holidays but that'll come off no problem!!

Dottiespots Fri 04-Jan-13 19:58:55

https://www.facebook.com/?sk=welcome#!/pages/Paul-McKenna-i-can-make-you-thin-my-journey/261435027219112

Here you go Solo.....boppers page.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 04-Jan-13 21:33:22

Happy new year everyone!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Fri 04-Jan-13 21:58:54

Happy new year doc!

Come and wax lyrical here about Pauling please!

Dottiespots Fri 04-Jan-13 23:53:30

https://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=tn_tnmn&__req=14#!/pages/Paul-
McKenna-i-can-make-you-thin-my-journey/261435027219112?fref=ts

sorry try again

bopper198 Sat 05-Jan-13 08:32:00

Hiya evryone

Thanks awsangel for putting the link to my page on here as I have literally no idea how to do that, lol.
Its my first day doing the gastric band book today so im quiet excited, its likea fresh start.

Its the first stage I am doing, which takes 2 weeks. You have to cut out high fat and highsugar foods and walk 20 mins a day, which everyone does anyway normally. This is supposed to get you ready for the installation cd. There are also excersises to do as in the mirror excersise in icmyt not actual excersises!

Hope you all have a good day.

bopper198 Sat 05-Jan-13 08:37:31

Ooo I just tryed the link and it didnt work for me. So if it doesnt work for you. What I normally do is go to the search bit and type in - paul mckenna I can make you thin my journey.

That normally brings up my page it has a pic of a cake with chocolate and buttons on top. Hope this helps. X

tillytinselpants Sat 05-Jan-13 09:00:22

Hi all, do you mind if I join you? I did start this a year or so ago but rl intervened (doesn't it always?!). But now I'm fed up of feeling fat and unattractive so am determined to lose at least 3 stone this year.

Anyway, first time I did it I lost half a stone in the first 2 weeks so I know it works. I've done WW before & it took me 6 months to lose the same amount!

Morning ladies

<<brushes off baubles and tinsel, packs away Christmas NC and the remainder of the Christmas chocolate>>

Just checking that I have name changed back to normal properly. I am always nervous of these things.

bopper - I found you easily enough by your description but I think this might be a link if that helps FB page here

Good luck with the first couple of weeks. They sound like it might be tough. Is it only 2 weeks of consciously having to restrict what you eat until the 'gastric band' kicks in? I think I could cope with 2 weeks but indefinitely would be a problem. smile I have 'liked' your page so shall follow with interest.

You might feel the need to change your profile pics in a few days though - those cakes look good!! grin

Yay! NC worked!

ppeatfruit Sat 05-Jan-13 14:35:20

hello everyone!! smile you're very welcome tillytinsel!! it's an exciting time on here!!!

Oh sols Hope the party goes really well; shame it's going to clash with the P.M. webchat .

tillytinselpants Sat 05-Jan-13 19:29:11

Thank you pp. I really must change from my Xmas name!

JakeBullet Sat 05-Jan-13 19:34:10

I a planning to start this next week when DS goes back to school and everything is a bit more normal.

Can't wait.smile

bopper198 Sat 05-Jan-13 19:41:27

Hiya

Bbb is that right? It is only 2 weeks I dont think I could cope with any more either! Thank you for liking my page. I have changed one of my pics, weirdly enough I did it before reading your post, but I cant seem to change the profile pic, I think I might have to go on to the actual computer to do that!

Happy pauling to all x

Dottiespots Sun 06-Jan-13 03:08:25

Hi Ladies....sorry my facebook link to boppers facebook page didnt work but she seems to have sorted everyone in the right direction and BBB did a better link.
Hi Monkey....nice to see you over on here as well.
How did first day go bopper. Think it would mess with my mind a bit having to control my eating to diet mentality for two weeks.....

Dottiespots Sun 06-Jan-13 03:24:43

but having said that i could benfit from giving up sugar and bleached flour as I know its not healthy . Sooooo......think i will try it for two weeks to. Indecisive?????....me!!!

JakeBullet Sun 06-Jan-13 08:09:59

I've just "Liked" the FB page. I am hoping to load the CD onto my Mp3 player today and start listening.

ppeatfruit Sun 06-Jan-13 10:22:38

Morning everyone grin awsangel My health and looks are very important to me so I DO follow a fairly stringent eating plan with P.M.When I go off it even a bit (e.g. at xmas) I feel it immediately sad so I'm back on it now and improving my outlook smile.

I'll help you if you like !!

Mudwiggle Sun 06-Jan-13 12:57:54

I'm in. New book arriving tomorrow (hopefully). I love the idea of ICMYT, but my concious mind actively turns off my sub concious when it comes to binging. :0(
When I actually do it, I really enjoy listening to the ICMYT mp3, I do so before I go to sleep, always sleep well afterwards and wake up raring to go, which is not something that happens to me otherwise.
Avoiding white sugar and white flour suits me perfectly. Have low carbed quite successfully over the last week (ignores empty wine bottles in recycling box), but we are very very broke and I can't realistically justify the additional cost. Hoping this will let me eat normal foods, but in much smaller quantities.
I've put on three stone in the last year and I am gutted. Ideally I would like to loose four stone to be a healthy happy weight - and to be able to wear everything in my wardrobe.
For the first time ever, I do not mind how long it takes to lose this weight, provided the scales are going down and I'm feeling better. I want this to be a full on lifestyle change.

bopper198 Sun 06-Jan-13 16:35:24

Hiya the first day went ok and today has been ok too. I tryed to start on the 2nd but wasnt ready to start then. (Too much nice food in the house)! So I had a rew days which were just out of control! And by Saturday I was ready to begin as I had had enough of junk food!

I am probably not doing it properly but I am avoiding crisps, chocolate, cake and biscuits. And am snacking on things like rice cakes, fruit and olives. But compared to before that is good for me.

It doesnt bother me too much as I am ready in my mind to start my new life and also knowing that its only 2 weeks then I can eat anything makes me feel better. As before when starting other weight loss groups i would be looking at a long stretch of deprivation, points and syns. So compared to that, this is much better.x

ppeatfruit Sun 06-Jan-13 16:50:18

Congrats on startingbopper And you don't need any of that shxx diet food so you're saving money (I'm always amazed at how the manuf. can get soo many crap ingredients in their diet 'food') shock how hard is it to make a salad with bean dips and rye toast?!!

Dottiespots Sun 06-Jan-13 17:13:25

Hi pp.....so tell me more about what you eat please. I do get ibs if I get stressed or if I have too much wheat and sugar and want to continue "pauling" and will continue "pauling" he he.....but also want to keep eating healthily. I dont eat rubbish anyway.....all fresh foods, oatcakes, cheese, olives, grapes, apples,nuts, eggs, chicken, salad and salad leaves, olive oil, and dressings made from olive, walnut and balsalmic. So eat quite low carb which is good for me and very very healthy but if I want a cake (which is not very often unless its a really really delicious one) then I have it.

ppeatfruit Sun 06-Jan-13 17:28:00

Hi aws I follow my Blood Type by Dr Peter D'Adamo (sorry i'm not good with links my compooter refuses basically!) but you can google it and its on FB also there are apps.

It is eating the foods that agree with you e.g. I'm an A type and always used to have eczema and mild arthritis and hay fever until learning that tomatoes,oranges potatoes and milk are an Avoid for me so i don't eat them and I'm without any problems now.

Also DH is an O type and he SHOULD eat meat but no wheat .I tell you he is like a different person when he's off wheat (a much nicer one grin)!!!

I make lovely brownies without wheat but I do occasionally eat normal cakes if they're really good like you and eat the BEST black chocolate!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 07-Jan-13 10:09:54

Fresh start for me this morning. DS1 is back at school so we are back in a bit more of a routine, less sitting around and eating, more rushing about!

In terms of the 'what to eat', I do just eat whatever I fancy, with the one exception that I try to limit sugar. I had gestational diabetes in my last pregnancy and I do definitely experience sugar addiction. I find that if I can keep my blood sugar stable then I don't overeat, but once I start on chocolate or especially cakes or biscuits then I am on a roller coaster for a couple of days and I feel lethargic and horrible.

DH is still sans employment which has definitely increased stress levels and therefore overeating for me this last month, he had a couple of good interviews on Friday and has been invited back to both of them so fingers crossed.

Solo - have a good party for DD today smile

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Jan-13 10:35:40

Morining all !!Ali I was going to say hello on the 'poor little rich girl' thread! but it's less loaded on here IFYSWIM!!

Its quite nice to get the dex down and have used up the chox isn't it? I get that feeling from wheat as well as sugar (it also plays havoc with yr blood sugar levels according to the Wheat belly book grin)

cross fingers for yr DH too from me.

Ali, good luck to your dh!

I've spent the weekend rereading the book so I've started today! I've realised my problem is I rush around after the dses, housework & work so quite often I forget to eat, then I realise I'm hungry & binge in whatever's to hand. So I'm trying to slow down a little to make sure I'm eating often.

Hope everyone has a good day!

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Jan-13 11:22:11

tillyfern were you tillytinsel? grin Yes forgetting to eat is a problem on P.M.I always take something with me even just going shopping; a chewable snack; some walnuts and dried fruit, an apple or whatever and a bottle of water.

Morning!

tilly - I am like you. I forget to eat too. I am not hungry so I start doing something and then before I know it I am caught up in something and I don't eat for hours and then feel weird or ravenous. I am my own worse enemy.

Thankfully, I don't have all the sensitivities that some of you seem to have. It must make life very complicated. The only thing I can't drink unless it is decaff is coffee but that isn't a great loss. I always find it smells so much better than it tastes anyway.

New start for me tomorrow. DS2 has an inset day. I am distracted by his wittering and his agenda.

Alibaba - I forgot to say, hope your DH finds something soon. Hopefully things will get moving this week in the world of work and there should be some activity. DH decided to take a month off in December once, between contracts. DS1 was only a baby at the time so it was a while ago but he didn't bargain on how much things grind to a halt over Christmas and how long it would take to get going again. It took until the end of January to actually start work I think. I know it is hard but hang in there and it should come good soon.smile

PP, yes I was tillytinsel, thought I'd better retire my xmas name along with the decorations grin. I've stocked up on some nuts & dried fruit so will keep them in my bag from now on.

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Jan-13 12:33:57

See everyone on the webchat soon??? i'm excited (must get out more emoticom!)

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 07-Jan-13 12:57:32

Ooh he's in the building! grin

Nice one bopper! Good question.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 07-Jan-13 13:28:36

Ooh he answered my question!

Yay, Go Faith!! grin

Are you happy with the answer? I haven't read the gastric band book yet but it sounds a bit drastic for pregnancy. You can't fault the original plan for common sense though, whether you are pregnant or not.

I will have to buy the book I think - I am a bit worried it is heading in the faddy direction but obviously I am in no position to comment not that that ever stopped me. wink

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 07-Jan-13 14:47:39

I felt a bit told off! Like 'Don't be so vain, grow your baby!' grin but in quite content really. I actually feel happier with my body than ever. Being pregnant is amazing! I love watching the changes - we do a photo every week so track my bump growth. I'm just very aware that with a BMI of 30 if I gain lots I'll put myself and baby at risk. However I am pleased not to have gained much weight (3lb) so far and know its inevitable that I will gain in the next few weeks but hope most of that is baby! I am actually seeing the advantage of only having one car - most days DH has the car so I'm walking/catching the bus (but even getting the bus is a 10 minute walk to and from the bus stop so I'm getting more exercise smile

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Jan-13 14:54:04

He ignored mine sad I liked the live skype type thing though .Can it be watched again?

Mudwiggle Mon 07-Jan-13 15:05:32

Woo hoo, PM answered my question and offered me tickets to his weight loss event! And book arrived today...half way through and like it so far.

I have told DH about the weight loss event and got a sarcastic 'great'. So despite is increasing girth (and who am I to judge!?) I don't think he wants to join me. If that is indeed the case would anyone here like to be my plus one? I don't want to try and 'sell' this system to any of my RL friends IYSWIM - plus the local ones are all pretty skinny anyway, I stick out like a sore thumb in Yummy Mummy land....

It's Earls Court London Sat 23 Feb. Must add that if DH reads the book and changes his mind, I will of course go with him, so this is a provisional offer that I will confirm by Saturday.

Mudwiggle Mon 07-Jan-13 15:11:11

Just tried to watch google thing but DS not keen. ;0) He is however used to skyping family so spent the whole time blowing kisses to PM...

sarahcrowe Mon 07-Jan-13 15:14:03

Hi mudwiggle I would love to go to the event if you are able to spare your ticket.
Best wishes
Sarah

Yeah Faith, I thought you were a bit.... not told off exactly but put in your place, patronised a little may be. I don't know. It was a bit bossy I suppose. (Solo and Ppeat would probably call it masterful wink).

Difficult though - he has a point I suppose. Again I haven't read the book but you wouldn't have a gastric band whilst you were pregnant and assuming this is like that to some extent, without invasive surgery, I can see why it wouldn't be good. But he could just have said, 'no I wouldn't recommend it', without the baby growing bit, as if you didn't know what pregnant meant.smile

On the other hand you have had it straight from the horses mouth not to do it. Real advice from the person who knows. That has to be worth a few points when the next 'Celebs I have spoken to' threads come up. grin

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Jan-13 16:14:46

He's lost a bit of his good looks; I've gone off him grin and he's silly IMO if he thinks ALL foods are the same, they ain't IME. So there (flouncy emoticom),

Well, just ordered the book from Amazon.

I feel a little cynical about the fact he released a diet book on 3rd Jan but lets hope his marketing people controlled that. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. (Big of me grin)

Just hope there is enough that is different in it to warrant the £8.90 I spent.

Has age caught up with him ppeat? Maybe it was just the webcam thing. I don't find them very flattering either. I steer well clear of Skype at all times!

He has quite a pointy face. Perhaps he could do with fattening up a bit! grin

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 07-Jan-13 16:18:33

Yes it's disappointing he didn't say anything about food sensitivities really. Like I chose not to eat wheat for my IBS, if I ate whatever I wanted, I'd be a big bloated mess! I could eat wheat based foods for England. I also find if I have wheat, I crave wheat....shame he didn't address that!

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Jan-13 16:22:18

Yes he's looking gaunt isn't he?grin Can we see it again do you think? 'cos i missed a fair chunk of it trying to find the link!!

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Jan-13 16:24:57

Having I remember him saying at the seminar that obviously you don't eat what makes you ill!!

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Jan-13 16:27:59

faith (ref. pregnancy comment) He's a bloke isn't he? he had to type fast and wasn't as sensitive as maybe a woman would be grin!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 07-Jan-13 16:29:13

But I want cream cakes! grin Actually I did a gluten challenge where I ate wheat based stuff for 6 weeks before getting a coeliac blood test to be sure I wasn't coeliac. I really enjoyed the food wink but had already decided before the end of it to cut wheat out because I felt so ill!

Webcams are pretty unflattering...

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Jan-13 17:49:26

It's possible to make wheat free cakes and brownies Nice ones actually with bit of cream! having!!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 07-Jan-13 18:28:13

I always struggle with baking sad cooking, yes, but my baking attempts aren't great. I do have a GF cook book (my sister bought it, I lost it in the fire but recently replaced it) so I might have a stab at some baking again..

bopper198 Mon 07-Jan-13 21:32:46

Hiya everyone

I cant beleive he answered my question I was very excited.

You can watch the live web chat there is a link to it that someone has added to my facebook page. Hope this helps.

Happy pauling! X

Dottiespots Mon 07-Jan-13 21:46:20

I had my question answered too....so pleased.

<<polishes crystal ball, and peers at tea leaves in the bottom of the cup>>

What did I tell you, I predicted right. He's on The One Show on Wednesday ladies.

I think we are going to have PMcK overload before the month is out. smile

Dottiespots Tue 08-Jan-13 01:39:36

Hi adies, weighed my self today, havnt gained any weight but havnt lost any and its been..... what....3 weeks I think...not sure as i cant get onto the last thread. I have really really followed it but am not losing. I know its good that I havent put any on but then I dont generally put weight on . Sighhh! Im not stopping just wanted some words of wisdom. Will be starting gym again this week but I did it for 3 months last year and ate normally and still didnt lose any. If i starved myself down to 500 to 800 cals i know i would lose weight(although I havnt tried this for many years) but I am not going to diet. Its not water retention although I am peri menoupausal and I kept a food diary over Christmas and I ate about 1000 to 1500 by PM ing but weight stays the same. Thanks.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 08-Jan-13 02:35:34

I didn't think he was being weird with you Faith - I think he was meaning along the lines of 'give yourself a break' but the tone was lost - which it is on here a fair bit!

BBB I am tempted by the book.

Thanks for the good wishes re. DH and job etc smile

SOlo when do you start back?

Why am I up so late??? Argh.......

JakeBullet Tue 08-Jan-13 08:38:38

Is the app worth the money does anyone know?

Am veey tempted by the new book. I am an emotional eater so need sonethinv which puts me in tune with my body and feelings.

ppeatfruit Tue 08-Jan-13 10:20:17

Morning all!!! aws are you chewing each mouthful 15 to 20 times mindfully? When i did that it somehow 'clicked' for me and then the weight literally dropped off. Also you MUST eat when you're hungry not go on and on and 'cos then your blood sugar level drops and you stuff down anything. IFYSWIM.

It does take time for your body to get used this as well; be patient grin

ppeatfruit Tue 08-Jan-13 10:23:37

Sorry jake yes i think someone on here said the app is good I haven't got it though! it depends on how rich or otherwise you are feeling I spose!

Dottiespots Tue 08-Jan-13 15:27:02

Hi pp, thanks but I have always been a mindful eater and if you imagine a whole plate of food, I only ever serve myself a quarter of the plate if that makes sense, I dont eat alot and am always the one to leave food as I lose the taste and get full quickly and stop. Not bloody fair...lol . My daughter eats tons and is always a size 8. buggers. How long did it take you to see losses on this when you started. Sorry if I have already asked that. Will listen to the tape more and read the book again......

ppeatfruit Tue 08-Jan-13 15:46:14

Well I'd suggest you eat more then! If you're eating nourishing food you're body uses up energy to digest it so you HAVE to eat when you feel hungry. It sounds like you do the rest with no problems.

I was a bit like Solo started off slowly and then it fell off when I started chewing carefully as I said above; it took over a year altogether I suppose have you much to lose? I DO combine it with food combining and the blood type though (naughty me grin).

How did the party go solo?

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 08-Jan-13 16:10:31

If you refer back to the ICMYT book aws there's a bit where he talks about an experiment where they 'starved' people and they were in 1500 calories a day! I do agree you need to try to up your calorie intake initially to get your body out of starvation mode.

Well I spend last night in hospital hmm had some abdo pain around where you might get preeclampsia so had to get it checked out. Course the OOH doc was extra cautious with me being diffed. Anyway, after being seen this morning they think it's my gallbladder. They sent me home and will scan me as an outpatient. Happily seen midwife for routine 25 week appointment and all is well with the baby smile

I lost quite quickly but I started in New Year after a bingey Christmas and I combined the Pauling with running, hence a fast weight loss.

ppeatfruit Tue 08-Jan-13 16:19:19

Oh dear sad having glad everything is alright now!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 08-Jan-13 16:26:14

Honestly it was a nightmare - three different patients with their own issues (one Dementia, one LD and one younger MH) all shouting out and different times all night confused I am understanding that they coudln't help it but at 4.30am my patience and tolerance had worn a little thin! I suspect I will sleep like a top tonight! smile

Dottiespots Tue 08-Jan-13 16:30:02

Thanks Ladies, Solo, glad your ok. How many weeks pregnant are you now?
I do not think I can consiously up my calories though not without counting how many calories I am consuming. And that puts me into diet mode cause Im watching what I eat too much. Ah well. I do chew slowly though.When I cut out all carbs I lose weight easily but thats no way to live is it. Im truly baffled I am and have been baffled for years. Think the answer may lie in my metabolism as I can easily go all day till 8.00 at night with no food and then have just a small meal and a couple of biscuits and an apple and be fine. But no weight comes off. Think , if its possible, that my metabolism was knackered by my mum in childhood.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 08-Jan-13 16:42:36

Do you mean me? I'm 25 weeks, due end of April. I've suddenly gone from people saying Oh, early days then to Ooh won't be long! 10 weeks left work!

I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the metabolism - the good news is you can change the dysfunction of the metabolism by kick starting it. Can you bring yourself to have breakfast each day? Get things going in the morning?

Ooh Paul interview in The Sun by the way - please note I'm only purchasing it for the cheap holiday! smile

Aws - would it be possible you have sort of hormone imbalance , maybe a dodgy thyroid or something? It seems weird to me that you haven't lost anything at all. Like most eating plans, when you follow them to the letter, you would expect ot lose more at the beginning than later on so if you have cut back then it should be having an effect.

Alternatively, if you have always eaten the PMcK way (like me - small portions, stop when full - I can't bear being full) could you perhaps be eating the wrong thing? i know I do and one of the reasons I am here. I have so much to lose at the moment that I can lose without changing what I eat, and just focus on how much and when, but you have a lot less to lose so maybe you have to start making helathy eating choices more often as I know I will do one day.

If going to the gym and eating normally didn't work and eating less doesn't work by itself, have you actually done the eating less, moving more combo? PMcK doesn' have a lot to say about exercise but it might be what you need.

It must be tough though. We all want to see results from our efforts and if we don't get them it can affect motivation which won't help at all.

I reckon you'll get the balance right eventually though. Stick with it. smile

And in other news - my new book has arrived. Just got to find time to read it now!

ppeatfruit Tue 08-Jan-13 16:43:32

aws Don't worry about counting cals at all ( i never do and have never done) just eat when you're hungry; it takes time for your body to become used to this WOE esp. if as you say you don't eat all day sometimes. THAT is the reason you're not losing IMO.

DH weighs probably 6 stone more than me and he does this "a coffee or a sweet is as good as a meal". So of course can't lose weight he doesn't think the P.M. is any good (despite the evidence of his eyes hmm sad.)

Cross post with everybody!

Faith - glad you are OK(ish) It isn't a flare up of your old troubles is it?sad. Take it easy. I am sure you will anyway but still. I can't think of anything else to say that will be of any help. Will keep my fingers crossed that the next 15 weeks are plain sailing. smile

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 08-Jan-13 16:59:25

ppeat DH still insist Paul is 'voodoo'! Despite seeing what a difference its made to me! hmm

Thanks BBB, I'm fine, just sleepy! Seems to be unrelated to previous pain - same side but different place. Chronic problem is down near bladder, this is up under rib cage. I suspect the scan will show..nothing! But hey ho. Better to get checked out when you're up the duff than leave it and have complications.

Faith, I had gallstones and the pain was all down my right hand side from under my ribs and around my back a little. They show up quite clearly on the scan and once they'd seen them, I was booked for keyhole surgery. All done and dusted within a month of the scan. I guess you'll have to wait until after the baby is born but in the meantime, cutting out fatty foods can help prevent attacks in the short term.

Aws, I agree with the others' advice, I hope you find it works soon

scripsi Tue 08-Jan-13 19:35:30

Hello! I saw the mckenna webchat and I am trying to help my elderly MIL lose weight as she wants to become more mobile, hope it is OK if I ask a question? I have seen the make you thin book and also the new gastric band book, MIL's main concern is that she gets very scared that there won't be enough to eat, so overeats in particular at night - she says that it is as if she is worried she'll wake up hungry if not full to bursting before sleeping. DH and I (and her GP) are helping her with healthy eating etc but was wondering if one of these programmes would be particularly helpful? Which one do you think would help her anxiety about lack of food/risk of hunger?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 08-Jan-13 23:10:27

ICMYT does address anxiety about food shortage. Would a practical solution be for her to keep a banana or some crackers by the bed to allay anxiety?

Dottiespots Tue 08-Jan-13 23:19:09

Hi.....BBB I eat healthily, I dont eat alot and dont have a thyroid imbalance or hormonal problem (other than being peri menopausal which doesnt help) generally active and used to run but now just do weights and power walk. Think Im going to have to return to lo carb as I wonder if as Ive got older that my body cannot tolerate carbs and sugar now. When I go lo carb ( which i do for health reasons as it cures my ibs) my weight does go down and i feel less bloated and less sluggish and lighter. Is your blood diet sort of like that pp?
Sorry for the confusion Faith. You havnt got long to go at all and how lovely to have a baby in the spring (well with our climate it will most likely be boiling hot in April).
Sorry for asking about the baby Solo (ha ha ha ha). And.....any news on your new man yet?

scripsi Tue 08-Jan-13 23:50:53

That's a good idea TheDoctrineOfSnatch. I'll buy her the ICMYT and see how she gets on.

ppeatfruit Wed 09-Jan-13 10:14:53

Morning everybody grin aws The blood type diet is fascinating I don't look at it as a diet more a WOE it has cured my allergies, arthritis, and eczema!! grin it goes by what blood type you are e.g. 0 types SHOULD eat meat (not pork though) and DH who is an 0 type always does brilliantly on Atkins type diets (shame he ever 'comes off' them)!! It sounds like you might be the same.

A types like me are much better without meat and 'good' carbs like rye and oats and of course veg. and fruit and fish.

ppeatfruit Wed 09-Jan-13 10:17:19

I meant of course that A types are good with good carbs,veg and fish (not deadly nightshade veg. though )

Hello all. I have not abandoned you, honest. I have been reading but have been unable to post for a while. Hopefully this one will work out ok! hmm

Scripsi I totally understand your MIL's thinking. Well, sort of!! because I felt the same. It is so weird now though, we have moved to Cambodia and i often cannot get food and can only get certain foods and our lifestyle is so very different. But now that there is a real possibility that I won't be able to have food in the cupboard then the fear of it has gone! I know that sounds strange, but I used to eat things because I had this weird sense that it was not going to be available, but now that things are just not available I am so relaxed about it.
I was given a bar of chocolate at Christmas. My first for 6 months and I am so enjoying having a small piece when I want it. Probably tomorrow it will all be gone, but I have enjoyed every last square of it soo much! wink

I enjoyed reading through the webchat with Paul and I am pleased he offered some of you (sorry, cant remember names and if I scroll I know I will lose this post!!) the opportunity to go to his seminar. If I was in the UK I think I would have been trying the gastric band thing, but life here is making the weight come off anyway and I am so restricted with my diet. I wasnt able to watch the hangout because my internet isnt good enough. sad
Good luck to those trying it out and keep us posted as to how it is all going.

Bye for now and keep going everyone! smile

YAY it worked, finally!!! grin

Mudwiggle Wed 09-Jan-13 11:32:16

Wow the new book has a technique called 'Havening' to deal with stress and stuff. I initially dismissed it but woke up shattered and in a bad mood this morning and thought I had nothing to lose. Did it twice and completely lifted me - even though I did it with a two year old jumping on me. Book worth the price of that alone!

sarahcrowe Wed 09-Jan-13 12:56:19

Hi ppeat I was interested to see that it 'clicked' for you when you counted chews 15-20 times. Do you mind me asking how much you've lost?

Best wishes
Sarah

Dottiespots Wed 09-Jan-13 13:32:27

Thanks pp. My husband offered to get me the full PM pack yesterday with the diary etc but i declined as there are 5 tapes in it i think i i dont often find time to listen to one. Will not go to full low carb as that only leads to binging. Funily enough the less i eat the better my ibs and dont get lots of wind (hate having to go to bed holding farts in as would hate farting in front of husband ha ha).
Hi Positive, glad you managed to post at last. What is it your doing over there and how much weight have you lost since being there?
pp.....where do you live in France and are you as slim as those frenchies and as stylish(god they are sooooo effortlessly stylish)

ppeatfruit Wed 09-Jan-13 14:55:17

Hi sarah I've got to my target size 10 and I've dropped from nearly size 16 it's roughly (cos' i don't weigh much and it's in kilos !)nearly 3 stone.

Nice to hear from you again Positive!

aws DH lost most when he was on the Food Combining or Hay Diet/WOE (which I'm on all the time) It's not eating carbs and protein at the same meal; You could eat more often and its much healthier than 'normal' ways of eating E.G. protein and carb at the same meal. Less windy too!!!

We live in mid west. Fr. 2 hours inland from La Rochelle. But we're backwards and forwards between London and Totnes. Sorry to disillusion you but there are a hell of a lot of frenchies who NEED P.M. (they're into McDo's in a big way now sad) Maybe it's 'cos we live in the countryside but a lot of them live in trackies or OTT frilly skirts (remember that fashion?) with anoraks!!shock.
The Parisiennes are better but I saw quite a few normal looking ones.Often it's us Brits who are the stylish ones!! I DO try when we go out 'cos some of the Fr. women like dressing up to go shopping which I like too grin.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 09-Jan-13 19:39:24

He's on the One Show, now!

Elainey1609 Wed 09-Jan-13 21:10:54

Hi ya everyone
Great thread.
Im new and just bought the book which has free cd and dvd. I must say its completly different to what I expected.
Struggling to get my head around it.

Any tips from people for a first timmer .

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 09-Jan-13 21:23:42

Hi Elainey, Did you buy the new book or ICMYT? I guess my tips would be to try to listen to the CD every day to start with. In terms of food, the things I found made a real difference were turning off the tv, eating at a table not off my lap, chucking out all the 'diet' food. I took up running using couch to 5k when I started which definitely kick started my weight loss and changed my body shape more rapidly than anything else I'd tried!

Hi Elainey, I'm a newbie too! I've started to make sure I eat when I'm hungry, not just when I stop being busy. That's been working well, I guess like most people I end up having smaller meals but more often, and my moods have improved as well!

Also I'm terrible for when I do eat for doing something at the same time whether that's watching tv or reading or just eating on the move. So again, making an effort to sit and eat consciously.

Good luck with it!!

Dottiespots Thu 10-Jan-13 00:16:39

Hi Elainey and tilly.....welcome to this lovely lovely thread....all nice friendly helpful ladies.
My husband did buy me the Pauly full pack with all the cd diary etc in the end. Told me today as a surprise. Bless.
pp....so glad the Frenchie ladies are not all we are led to believe. I have been to Paris and seen the gorgeous stylish dressed ladies there but I gave them a little run for their money as I always dress stylishly myself . Looked up the Hay diet .....seems a little like low carb.
I am over my little blip with feeling despondent though and back on track now. Im not going to concentrate on losing weight Im going to concentrate on just eating properly with this woe and the rest will take care of itself Im sure.

Hello to tilly and Elainey and welcome.

Awsangel - we are volunteering here, working with the families in the slum areas which is very eye opening. I cannot believe that people live like this in this century! BUT most of the people here, no matter how desperately poor and how little they have are the happiest people I have ever met!
I have lost a total of 4 stone and 3lb-ish in under 6 months. I started off huge, though!!! wink , so I am still rather big!! grin

A few things have knocked my confidence being here, though: firstly 99% of the Cambodians are undernourished, so being a fat white person makes me stick out like a sore thumb!! <and Cambodian's don't have any inhibitions about telling you what they think of your size/age etc... hmm
Secondly, because I have only been here 6 months and we are still getting to know people not one person has said "Haven't you lost weight" or anything! So I was getting discouraged, but last night I skyped with a friend back home and she was "Oh my goodness, look at you...well done, you have lost so much!!" So that was encouraging and I will just have to remember that people will notice when I come home for our visit in June. Hopefully that will keep me going.

Saying that, in the past, it has always been when people are recognising that I have lost weight that I stupidly self-sabotage. Does anyone else do that? It doesn't make sense, so maybe it is a good thing that people don't tell me that here!!

<waves to everyone else smile >

ppeatfruit Thu 10-Jan-13 09:49:34

Morning All smile A big welcome to Elainey A few tips on starting hmm

It depends on how many 'crap' or 'normal' diets you've been on as to how your long your body takes to get used to being 'allowed' to be itself and for you to get used to the signals it's giving you (about being hungry and then being full!!). Read the book, listen to the C.D.s and watch the DVDs they're a great help.

I've lost the weight without counting cals. or anything.

Exercise helps but it's not the be all or end all. I use stretches,dancing about the kitchen. plies while washing up and acupressure I don't go to a gym or jog or run or nothing!!grin

Oh and the best tip of all for me was to chew each mouthful 15 - 20 times that REALLY got me going!

positive many congrats on the weight loss keep at it girl grin

SOLO where are you?????

PA, wow that is an adventure! And well done on the weight loss. I know what you mean about self-sabotage. I wonder if its because part of you thinks 'well, I'e lost that weight so I can eat whatever I like again now'? Does that make any sense?!

This is only the 4th day I've been doing it, but I'm amazed at how easy it seems. I've done WW before and I would just constantly think about what I wanted to eat but couldn't because it would use up all my points. Now, I'm thinking 'I could have chocolate but actually I'd rather have a pear'.

I know it's not always going to be this easy, but its so much more confidence-boosting to not be constantly thinking about food and to feel like I'm making healthier choices because I want to, not because of the diet.

smile

ppeatfruit Thu 10-Jan-13 14:50:27

Oh Positive I forgot to say our darling DD2 is now getting married in June like yours shock she's sorting out her bridesmaids before herself. The theme is not 50s any more so i'm now floundering about thinking what to wear . AAAAA (hysterical emoticom)!! because the maids are all wearing fleshy colours and DD2 is in white, I don't want to stand out in a very strong colour. I've got to think hard and it's doing my brain in grin

It's going to be in the West End now so will have to 'cool' IYKWIM.

Dottiespots Thu 10-Jan-13 19:34:09

pp....my daugher is getting married next year and I no one thing for sure that I do not want to dress like "Mother of the Bride". Havnt seen anything i fancy yet though as all "Mother" dresses are too formal for me. Do post any dresses you like so I can see them ....might help give each other ideas and feedback !Junes not long though is it?

wow lots of "mother's of the brides" here now!! grin DD3's bridesmaids are in red, which is a pain for me because I would naturally have gone for a cerise/pink colour probably, which would just clash terribly!! I am hoping to get mine online so that it is at home when we arrive, just 10 days before the wedding, but if I don't like it there is going to be a major panic to find a replacement dress. Ideas would be good, so if you see things, then post a link. No, June is not long!!!

Well done on the positive start tilly

Dottiespots Thu 10-Jan-13 23:45:27

ok Positive....Ill get looking. How tall are you, hair colour what size and shape....and send us a link to see the dress you have chosen.

Solo Fri 11-Jan-13 00:04:25

Dipping in <waves> running out again.

Dottiespots Fri 11-Jan-13 01:17:33

Hi Solo.....you need to update us re love life pleaseeeee!

Solo Fri 11-Jan-13 10:40:50

Nothing to add aws I had one text from him saying he was knackered and falling asleep on return from work, I replied and have heard nothing else! that's in nearly two weeks. Oh well <shrugs>.

Solo Fri 11-Jan-13 10:42:08

Meant to add that either he's not too interested or he, like me has been on his own for so long, that it's hard to remember to contact the new potential iyswim.

ppeatfruit Fri 11-Jan-13 11:35:00

Good morning all smile shame about the fella solo sad Have you started back at work yet?

To the MOBs among us grin the Honeypie on line boutique is good (my computer goes ballistic with a load of links) or it could be me so don't ask for 'proper' links! I'm going to look in the posh Depots Ventes here and in the posh 2nd hand dress shops in U.K. when I'm over!

Dottiespots Fri 11-Jan-13 12:26:29

Hi pp...had a look at Honeypie....lovely things. My daughter is doing the traditional wedding dress thing .
Solo, hows things with you? Are you bothered that he hasnt contacted you or not bothered cause you didnt really have chemistry?

My daughter is doing the traditional, too awsangel. Just had a quick peep at a few websites......not impressed!! I think I am going to have to wait until the summer stuff comes into the shops, its all so dark and....well...... wintry!! hmm

As for my shape, well I am short, 5 foot 3 (if I stretch) and rather round!! grin Would prefer something calf-length, probably. Must have upper arms covered, to hide the flappy bits <not really selling myself here, am I??> hmm But I would be happy with a floaty/silky thing to throw over my shoulders, maybe, if it is a strapless one. need to avoid the colour pink really, so was thinking of a blue maybe....????? or maybe not......????? Oh, I don't know.......I have a feeling this is going to become a nightmare!!!

ppeatfruit Fri 11-Jan-13 14:30:09

P.A. I think I've decided on a dress and jacket (i had a lovely dusty blue linen trouser suit made last year) if DD2 approves of course!!! so will try to match the jacket to a nice dress (maybe in a pretty print or something so I don't look like a blue blob! TG I'm a 10 now!! will have to remember to stick to P.M. seriously grin).

Many congrats on being a size 10 PP. I have been thinking about what I wrote yesterday, well, feeling more positive today, so my "better" bits about my body are that my legs are not too bad. I am hoping to be able to get into a size 20, maybe even a size 18 by June. Boobs aren't too bad either so DH tells me, anyway!! blush Bit I definitely need to disguise is my tummy!! Very floppy - I blame 9 pregnancies!!! as well as too much food
maybe a jacket over a dress for me would be good. I was thinking it is going to be height of the summer in UK, so maybe needed a really summery dress, but even if it is during a heatwave it is going to be the coldest I will have been for over a year!! Perhaps a woolly jumper will be needed!! grin

Dottiespots Sat 12-Jan-13 02:07:03

ha ha....nooooo It wont be the height of summer Pos.....it will be a cold winters day......going by our weather for the last couple of years it will be hottest in March.

ppeatfruit Sat 12-Jan-13 09:43:33

awsangel is right pos Thanks BTW! it could be cold in June grin so wear a jacket and take a thermal vest in case you freeze!!

Oh a thought about yr belly have you tried that easy crunch exercise I've given instructions for somewhere on here ? it's great and it works!!!!! tell me if you need the steps again.

Elainey1609 Sat 12-Jan-13 13:08:48

Thanx everyone for the tips
I got the I can make you thin book.
I have felt like ive lost weight, will have to wait till weigh in.on monday.
Havent felt too hungry which is positive
Looking forward to results

pp would be great to have those exercises. I am sure you put them on the thread ages ago, but have forgotten them now, so would be good to start them again, thanks.

ppeatfruit Sat 12-Jan-13 14:17:59

OK Hun here we go ;-- THE AMAZING MUFFIN TOP BUSTING EXERCISE!!-

1. LIe on a firm surface (it can be a mattress) I always do these in bed!!

2. With arms by yr. side (or flat above your head to increase difficulty). bring yr head and shoulders up just 3 or 4 cms. slowly hold for 5 to 6 seconds and release slowly. THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS IS TO REMEMBER TO KEEP YOUR HEAD IN LINE WITH YOUR SPINE so don't poke it forward or leave it behind IYSWIM.

3. Do it 3 or 4 times every morning and every night. It works like a dream you can actually feel your muscles activating all night and it helps you to sleep!!!

Continue the 'holding in' of your belly when you remember in the day; pull in slowly at the count of 20 and hold in for 20 etc. I find walking around on tiptoes works well too and doing plies (knee bends) while standing at the sink etc.

Dottiespots Sat 12-Jan-13 19:00:26

pp..Your outfit sounds like it will be nice and good that you can reuse something .I too will do your crunchies!!
Elainey....well done....look forward to seeing if you have lost....I havnt yet but I havnt gained....although im doing well eating pmway I must be slipping up somewhere but will continue as with this way of eating i dont get hung up on food and dont binge etc. So...all good.

ppeatfruit Sat 12-Jan-13 22:00:00

Thanks aws grin I haven't worn the suit yet though! Are you eating more often now? BTW I meant to say the Hay diet cures IBS!

Sorry tilly I meant to post earlier it sounds like you're getting on well grin Please don't be put off by all our non diet related gossiping grin.

Dottiespots Sun 13-Jan-13 02:30:33

PP......Interestly, I had a slight panic and started counting calories (only lasted one day before I told myself off)and ended up feeling really hungry. Had porridge for breakfast, slices of toast with cheese and tom for lunch, piece of bread extra as i was hungry, one turkish delight, half a pitta with avocado and salad. Got a bloated tummy and ibs cramps. I know it was the bread as i can only get away with a little of it but was hungry all day and wondering what to eat next. Back to pm today and have had a biscuit with a cup of tea, 2 oatcakes with cheese, tablespoon rice, tablespoon homemade curry and 2 popadoms, small bowl haagen daaz vanilla ice cream (yum) and half a danish cinamon swirl. No ibs and wasnt thinking about food at all other than when i was properly hungry. I had a look at the hay/combining diet but I know that to me it would still be a "diet" as I am not "allowed" to combine so would still mess with my mind. I know if im careful with what carbs i have and avoid onions, leeks, cauli, broccoli, garlic and beans I am ok. And tooo much food in general can bring it on as well. This pm woe seems to be the best for me curing my wanting to diet mentality though. Thanks .

ppeatfruit Sun 13-Jan-13 09:23:01

I find I bloat after eating avocado so i cut it out and lost weight quickly. You're right about having a certain food 'not allowed' being a diet mentality but it's also eating for health;it is a dichotomy but I'd far rather cut out something and be healthy Even Paul Mckenna says so!!!

emmief77 Mon 14-Jan-13 08:26:24

Hi everyone, I have just joined Mumsnet..

I downloaded the ICMYT app onto my phone yesterday (I bought a copy of the book years ago, read it and have lost it!)

I listened to the trance last night before going to sleep (I have my headphones plugged in!!).. but didn't feel relaxed as DH was next to me... when do people find the best time to listen to the trance?

Thanks everyone :-)

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 14-Jan-13 08:42:06

Hi emmie

Can you go to bed before DH and just tell him to come up in half an hour or whatever? Bed or the train are the only places that work For me.

Hello. Wondering if I can joing too. Got the book and reading it. Trying, but I think it will take a LONG time for me to get on track.

I spent my early childhood being punished for eating too slowly, and then my late childhood with 3 greedy brothers who stole food off my plate if I didn't eat it fast enough.

My habbits (why have I only just realised this?) appear to be to simply open my throat and pour food in, usually before I've even sat down with it. sad

ppeatfruit Mon 14-Jan-13 09:54:48

Morning and a big welcome to emmie and starlight sad about yr. childhood; good that you're aware of it now though grin One of the many brilliant things about Paul Mckenna are that he does address issues like yours if you get his book and DVD and CD (I watched him on T.V. and borrowed the book) though I got his cds free!!

Dottiespots Mon 14-Jan-13 13:10:23

Afternoon ladies....Welcome emmie and starlight.
I agree with pp....its good to realise where your eating habits come from Starlight. Mine are my mother "dieting" me and not allowing me to eat, even when hungry. I was only allowed to eat when she gave me food otherwise I was given black looks and made to feel fat and bad.
emmie...I listen to mine whenever I can be it during the day or before bed. Once i get into it and provided its on low and husband cant here it, it helps me to drift off and sleep. Mind you it makes me sleep during the day too ha ha.

ppeatfruit Mon 14-Jan-13 13:51:29

Oh that's awful aws sad Mine dieted but NEVER forced us to eat or diet or anything; she was a bit hmm about white sugar, though she didn't ban sweets .
I remember one of our friends stealing from our sweet tin because they were banned in his house.
I was also careful to allow our DCs to buy sweets with their pocket money so they soon wanted to spend it on other stuff! it worked quite well. I DID ban coke and other high sugar fizzy drinks but not at their parties grin

I LOVE listening to P.M. for an afternoon nap! esp. if I've got up early and need to stay up late.

emmief77 Mon 14-Jan-13 15:59:44

I know it sounds a bit silly but i didn't tell DH as i thought he wouldn't get it.. But even though i wasn't totally relaxed i feel something has worked as i feel more positive today, not just around food but in all areas.. Is this coincidence?!? - i will go to bed before DH tonight and tell him to come up 30 mins after me... doh, why didn't think of that?!!!

I am a bit skepitical about the tapping techinique... Does this really work?!!

bopper198 Mon 14-Jan-13 17:13:52

Hiya everyone

I can say that the tapping technique does work. I sometimes suffer with panic attacks especially on a night. The other night I felt one coming on and used the tapping and it really calmed me down.

I am doing the gastric band book which comes with its own tapping dvd I was unsure at first but after trying it a couple of times I found it did help.

emmief77 Mon 14-Jan-13 20:32:20

Thanks bopper (btw, I have liked your FB page, hope this is okay? it is motivating to read your blog smile )

Will give tapping a go

Solo Mon 14-Jan-13 23:19:05

I still haven't found boppers fb page!

emmief77 Tue 15-Jan-13 07:11:45

Solo, Bopper's FB page is called Paul McKenna I can make you thin, my journey and her profile pic is a chocolate cake with smarties on top.

ppeatfruit Tue 15-Jan-13 08:42:01

Morning all!! It's brill that you're all so positive !! I've outed myself on bopper's FB page BTW grinSolo How did the party go?

Hello! Can't believe we are half way through January already. Thank the Lord! It isn't my favourite month for many reasons.

Solo - The link to Boppers page again.

Took me a while to find where I posted it - it is lost in the mists of time back at the beginning of Jan which is why I can't believe how far we are along now!

ppeat - I saw you had outed yourself. So did I. Only the eagle eyed would have spotted it though so more of a peek than a full outing! grin

ppeatfruit Tue 15-Jan-13 11:59:54

Hello 8BB* I don't mind January it's my and DS's birthday month though my b/day was a non event 'cos DH sprained his ankle and we couldn't go anywhere- slightly annoying when the DCs and all my family and friends- are saying 'Have a lovely day' grin sad. He's off to Prague now so we'll have a nice meal somewhere when he gets back.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 15-Jan-13 12:04:57

Hello everyone! Sorry I've been AWOL, life has been stressful and I've been in hiding from important things like addressing my eating..

Anyway - DH finally has a new contract, he starts on Monday. Good on two fronts,

a) money
b) getting him out from under my feet!

I find that we get up later because there is both of us to sort DS1 for school and get him there, and that then we end up sitting around chatting about things and drinking coffee for most of the morning and bugger all gets done.

I have been much better with food the last 3-4 days, all the Christmas things are gone and I've managed to get off the sugar roller coaster.

emmie - I listen in bed before going to sleep too mostly, but I have told DH what I'm doing so he knows not to disturb me grin Actually he has started listening to the 'Control your Stress' CD and reading the book, and it is proving pretty successful so far.
I do want to get to the point where I can listen to it earlier in the evening and then wake up and have my evening before I go to bed, but there is too much tidying and sorting to do once the DSs are asleep at the moment - hopefully it will get easier as they get older!

I haven't managed to listen to the CD yet, keep meaning to see if I can get it onto my Ipod - has anyone managed that?

PPea, thank you for the nuts & fruit tip. I bought a large bag of trail mix & have been carrying little boxes of that around with me, in the last week alone I have saved £10 from not popping into a cafe when feeling peckish!

ppeatfruit Tue 15-Jan-13 13:16:13

Ali good to hear from you it sounds like you have a nice DH smile well done on the new contract! Mine is nice hmm.He works from home so he's in the sitting room on the computer ALL the time, when he's not abroad, so not much time for chats.

tilly you're welcome!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 15-Jan-13 13:25:12

ppeat thank you smile He is my best friend.

tilly - yes, if you burn the CD into iTunes then you can make a new playlist with just that in and put it on your iPod.

Yay! Well done Mr Baba ..... or should that be Mr 40 Nappies? <<ponders>>

What a weight off your mind Ali. Life can get back to normal for a bit. Is it a long contract and local? I hope it doesn't unsettle your boys. DS1 used to hate it when DH was home for a while and then went back to work. DS2 is more philosophical..... and a mummys boy so wasn't that bothered whether his father was there or not. That has changed now that football is so important. I don't cut it as far as footie goes. Hooray!!!

I'm hanging out for half term to finish before I can get me some normality. The rest of January is a write off until the gazillion tax returns are filed and DH isn't wandering around muttering and looking stressed or just not here at all. I suspect I will get the call up to do more than normal hours any day now. And then once that is over, I have 2 weeks of jury service which may or may not mean I am out of the house all day and sitting around pondering the meaning of life waiting to be called up. I suppose I could always listen to PMcK on my phone! Providing I don't look like I have fallen asleep and I don't do somethink embarrassing like dribbling or talking to myself whilst I am out of it, of course . grin

Or maybe I will do something embarrassing like type some*think*. Well, I is an East Londoner, innit? blush

bopper198 Tue 15-Jan-13 19:49:15

Thank you for liking my fb page I am on there all the time, well not all the time, just when I have a spare 5 mins. But everyday even if I dont post I am there, lol. If that makes sense!

Hope everyones having a good day. I had a bit of a choc slip today but not feeling bad. I know why and am back to it now, didnt even enjoy it really which is a first!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 15-Jan-13 20:09:40

Thanks BBB - it is 6 months and London with the possibility of up to another year if it goes well. I would far rather him being going there and back every day than up in Manchester or wherever for 4 nights a week, that would be grim.
The boys will be ok, although DS2 does walk around ALL day saying 'Mummy, where Daddy?' ad infinitum which can get a bit wearing!

Dottiespots Tue 15-Jan-13 21:59:32

Hi....have asked who is BBBertha and who is ppeatfruit on Boppers page? You will see who I am if you go on.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 15-Jan-13 22:03:28

Hi all! Good to see this thread moving quickly again, new year enthusiasm!

tilly I managed to rip the cd to my computer and then add it to my iPhone no problem.

I am getting rather rotund now! 26 weeks today smile loving my pregnant body though. I'm getting tired now, especially since I did nights at the weekend but no more nights now til after mat leave (phew!).

Keep up the good work!

Solo Wed 16-Jan-13 00:05:07

Thank you! I have liked smile

ppeatfruit Wed 16-Jan-13 16:37:38

BBB where do you live? Are you on half term ? That's early! I always thought there was 6 weeks between holidays!

OMG I remember my jury service it was fairly awful shock

Having glad everything is going well grin Lovely not to do nights (In my ideal world no one would do nights)!!

If you look carefully you'll see me on Boppers FB site aws there's me and DH and DD2 on my pic. I'm trying not to say my RL name on here! I'll pm you if you want!

Divster Wed 16-Jan-13 16:51:10

Hi everyone. Got the gastric band book yesterday, read it from cover to cover as told to do. Today I am feeling great not to be dieting any more, feel like a huge weight has been lifted already. Not even listened to cd yet, but today food is already not as important to me as it was 2 days ago.

The book is anti-diet, and I love it! Going to re-read it, and write notes this time, as he says an awful lot of important things.

Cant wait to shrink my liver and get my band fitted in a week or so.

I would love to go to the seminar, but feel scared about going London on my own

Divster Wed 16-Jan-13 16:52:55

I have also started a fb group thats closed, sorry this was before I saw your page

Ppeat - Soz, I wasn't v. clear. I meant this half of the term not the holidays. The hols are still 4 weeks off sadly. I was just saying that with work Jan is grim and then I have 2 weeks of jury service to get through which will mean normality is a way off. I was hoping to enjoy the jury service thoug. I have a law degree and always found criminal law fascinating but never worked as a lawyer. I try not to have regrets but I wish I had trained as a lawyer. I did start off with that intention but then for some reason didn't. I was looking forward to finding out what I might have missed!

Alibaba - Ah bless your DS2. I expect he'll forget about daddy being around soon enough but it is sweet he has noticed. 6 mths is a good contract - you can relax for a bit. I hope DH likes it and they extend it into the autumn.

Still haven't read the gastric band book. No time at the moment. I'll try at the weekend.

<<Goes off to nosey at aws on FB >>grin

Dottiespots Wed 16-Jan-13 20:58:12

pp found you. Have you seen me?

ppeatfruit Wed 16-Jan-13 21:02:52

Oh BBB It's ok. After jury service i was glad I didn't train as a lawyer hmm they were all SOOOO disorganised and it seemed like they treated everything lightly. When it was peoples' lives at stake IYSWIM. They showed us incorrect/incomplete evidence which I mentioned and got the case thrown out shock. It makes me feel so sick when you think they didn't bother to take a digusting rapist like Saville to court but these pathetic people were charged with nothing more than having a party at xmas that had got a bit out of control.

Sorry for the rant I needed to say that!!

Dottiespots Wed 16-Jan-13 21:19:29

mmmm Im trying to work out who you are BBB

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Jan-13 09:56:20

Have you worked out who Iam aws? (gets excited)!! Morning all BTW grin

Dottiespots Thu 17-Jan-13 17:56:00

O yes pp......found you yesterday actually lol!!! I did post it on here just before BBBs post. Dont know who she is yet but spotted Solo. You do know me though dont you?

Dottiespots Thu 17-Jan-13 23:16:12

Just wondering how many of you are doing the Hypno band thing? Im not as I just want to master this eating "normally". Read some inspiring stories on Amazon of people who had done PMICMYT and they had updated their reviews and had gone on to lose large amounts of weight and for the first time in their lives were happy and at total peace with food. Boppers starting her Hypno band this weekend so will be watching how she gets on.

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Jan-13 10:14:01

aws Morning !!! The ICMYT is the 'best' but I admit I haven't bothered to check out the band thing 'cos I've reached my target grin

It might interest DD2 who is trying to lose weight for her wedding in June but I can't talk to her about it she won't listen grin sad

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Jan-13 10:17:35

I have NEVER gone at her about her weight BTW!! It was one of her boyfs. who called her fat when she wasn't (he was!) and she believed him so she started on the diet rigmarole and now IS overweight. He was a shxx angry

Not the one she is marrying in June then, PP, I hope.

Hello ladies. Sorry for being awol again. internet is not the best here! hmm

had a rubbish week with food. I seem to have been permanently hungry this week, and the more I eat the more I seem to want to eat. Grrrr!! I need to listen to the cd and get my head straight again......tomorrow......blush

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Jan-13 11:18:52

No Thank God P.A. She's not an idiot!!

It's much better if you sit down and close your eyes and count to 15 or 20 chews every time you take a mouthful. That works a treat. I'm being vigilant as well You haven't got the excuse of the snowy cold weather either have you? grin

Divster Fri 18-Jan-13 14:06:24

5lbs down, only been reading the hypnotic band since Tuesday, but i weigh in every Friday. I stopped 'dieting' last week after weigh in and putting on 3lbs. I love that you can take this with you anywhere, and no one would know. No coming off the diet to have a meal out, no agonising over what you can and cant have, completely ruining the meal out. Buying food you actually like, rather than fits in with the 'plan'. I know I am eating less and not snacking, but it also feels ok. I am getting hungry, but then I eat, and all is ok again.

It feels fantastic not using food to change how you are feeling. Feelings can be scary, butt hey dont last long and the havening is really helping now that I have learnt it

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Jan-13 14:46:11

That's brilliant divster grin

emmief77 Fri 18-Jan-13 16:01:53

Told DH that I was listening to trance at bedtime...he was a bit shock but I did manage to listen to most of trance relaxed smile Do you listen to trance every night? I've only managed twice in the last week, but have been more positive generally, not just around food.. Haven't felt motivated to do much exercise though...

Have only got the ICMYT app, wondering about buying the gastric band book soon?

Erebus Fri 18-Jan-13 16:08:34

A Q:

You know how you're supposed to feel hunger before eating? I run into the problem of drinking a can of diet coke with lunch at work- so that makes it hard to know if I'm just full of liquid or properly satieted, doesn't it? I do run the risk of under eating to a certain extent if I feel I may have missed the cue to stop.

Dottiespots Fri 18-Jan-13 21:45:16

Erebus.....why you drinking diet coke? I drink normal coke as cant stand the artificial sweetner taste. But personally, I wouldnt worry about it too much. If your full, then your full, doesnt matter what it is. You can always eat again if you feel hungry half an hour later. But maybe eat first and then you will know when your full and then have a drink.

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Jan-13 21:55:31

Welcome Erebus grin IMO the 'normal' coke is almost an invitation to diabetes! While the 'diet' has soo many additives in it that your body doesn't recognise it as food so you may feel hungry sooner than you normally would after a meal. (I saw a programme on tv that compared some people drinking diet drinks and others not).

You may do better to drink a bottle of water!! Sorry for the rant; I am very anti all fizzy hi sugar drinks esp. when I remember reading that the manuf.of coke wanted to put a 3rd tap on all our kitchen sinks dispensing it shock

DH thinks a cup of coffee is a meal and he weighs oh approx. 6 stone more than me !!

Emmie i don't listen every day now but if i feel tired, I put it on when its quiet at home and have a lovely nap! It's up to you but probably better to carry on until you've 'clicked' with the rules IYSWIM.

Dottiespots Sat 19-Jan-13 23:26:57

pp.....I am totally against artificial sweetners and we are not told the truth about the long term affects on the body and diet drinks are a big con anyway in my opinion. But if Im going to have a coke or a vodka and coke(yum) then I want it to be the real thing, full flavoured coca cola. I also dont agree with any other type of "diet food" and realised along time ago that diet foods and the dieting industry and diet mentality are the reasons so many people have issues with food and weight nowdays.

I dont like this new Hypno band thing. Was reading about it and it seems to me that it takes away your ability to choose to eat like a slim person. To me it seems gimicky and goes against the principles of ICMYS which is to get you back in touch with your own hunger and lose the diet mentality forever instead of relying on yet another way of losing weight.

hmmmm!!!! guess thats my rant over ha ha!. O by the way, I have lost 6lbs now so Im happy with that and also the best advice you could give me was to "Chew"....chew, chew, chew. I consciously started chewing, tasting and puting cutlery down in between and it really really does make such a difference to your feelings of fullness. So thanks for that.

ppeatfruit Sun 20-Jan-13 09:30:25

Morning all!! aws I haven't gone into the details but the Hypno band IMO is P.M. thinking 'there are sooo many people who don't want to eat naturally and prefer 'aids' that include the diet industry' so he's jumping on the bandwagon . What's very good is that it IS'NT a real band !! (that's me trying to be positive hmm)!!

Well done on the 6lbs. grin It's amazing how it all 'clicks' once you chew!! You're very welcome to the advice BTW!!

Erebus Sun 20-Jan-13 12:05:11

aws I drink diet coke because I don't want the calories of full-sugar coke. It is the only artificially sweetened thing I ingest, so 2 cans a week, but I do recognise that it's all a bit of a con. I am reluctant to switch to water because I really don't like water and I feel a bit too deprived (and trying to be something I'm not; a 'body is a temple' subscriber as I know it cannot last!).

A small but interesting observation: Last night DH cooked a lovely 'fish pie' from the Hairy Dieters cookbook- he's dieting too. He does tend to overdo our portion sizes, but I chewed really mindfully, thus way more slowly than I normally would. He asked, a bit miffed 'Don't you like it?' as he finished before me for once, to which I said 'Of course, but I'm eating mindfully' (he isn't doing PMc). They he was a bit put out that the DSs and I all left a bit on our plates, me maybe 1/5 or 1/6th which I put with the bit still in the pot to take tomorrow to work. He, like I, comes from a clean plate tradition.

So you can see how our 'assumptions' about how to eat and how much need challenging!

I've lost 6 lbs in 2 weeks now. I was 12/8, I want to be 10/10. I am visualising myself in some summer cropped trousers I haven't been able to wear for a good 2 or 3 years.

ppeatfruit Sun 20-Jan-13 14:05:07

Good you're doing well erebus If you get a water filter it makes the water a hell of a lot nicer (also cheaper than the salty bottled stuff) it also improves the taste of tea and coffee . Paul Mckenna says that sometimes our bodies give out hunger signals when its really thirsty so he says to drink water before you eat (its not ppeat 'my body is a temple' speaking) really !!! grin

Well it is me a bit! the sweeteners they use give me big red spots which I prefer not to have grin

Divster Sun 20-Jan-13 14:08:03

Erebus - In the book, he says not to drink any fluid with a meal, for the very you have said. Also, not to have stews or soups, as they dont stay in the stomach for as long as dry food does. All the diets that say drink water with your meal, are actually going to make us hungry quicker, but also to fill our stomach with fluid and food at the same time, causes us to override the fullness, again diets teaching us the wrong way.

Makes me wonder if all these diets know all this stuff, but tell us to the opposite thing to keep us struggling with there diets? Same goes with over-filling with fruit and veg, none of which stays in our stomach long due to the water in it.

Erebus Sun 20-Jan-13 15:08:29

Actually, Paul is wrong on that count (re soups).
Last year (or at least, as reported last Jan), an experiment was conducted on TA trainees. Half were given a meal plus a glass of water; half the same food inc water all made into a soup.

Ultrasound was used to measure how full their stomachs were, and the result was pretty much identical. A couple of hours later, after hard exercise, they measured the trainees again - and discovered that a) the soup eating trainees still felt relatively full, and certainly reported feeling less hungry than the solids eating half; and b) U/S revealed that the soup eaters stomachs still had way more stuff in them than the solid food eaters. Effect a) could be bias- they may have been expecting a perverse result- but effect b) can't be 'faked'.

This report wasn't 'selling' a thing; a diet, a way of life. It was examining '10 things you may not know about weight loss' and appeared to be scientifically based- has me convinced!

Yes about a drink with food, in general, though. I'd always thought you would be diluting your digestive juices which can't be a good thing, even though my diet coke does just that!

Erebus Sun 20-Jan-13 15:10:12

And sadly, filtered water doesn't help much! My home water is filtered but I still prefer a slug of squash in it! I do have half a litre of water 'to hand' at work and try and swig from it regularly, though.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 20-Jan-13 15:33:54

Hi everyone. Sorry to have gone AWOL, again! DH back to work tomorrow so normality will resume.

Divster well done on your weightloss, what a great start!

Erebus - the soup thing is quite correct, there have been various studies on it over the last few years and there does seem to be a degree of truth in it. I must get back to having some either for lunch or certainly as part of it.

You are so right about there being so many assumptions to challenge. When you break it all down it is quite scary how much we are conditioned to just eat with no thought.

I have ordered the gastric band book from Amazon, I'm looking forward to seeing what it is like!

Solo - if you are lurking, good luck back at work tomorrow x

ppeatfruit Sun 20-Jan-13 16:38:31

Fascinating about the soup thing erebus and Ali TBH I just go by what I want to do and I LOVE soup grin and usually have a glass of water or wine sometimes with my meal.

Yes SOLO hope everything goes well with you tomorrow grin

Hi ladies

Hope you are staying warm although don't you burn more calories when you are trying to stay warm? Actually I am surprised somebody hasn't invented the freezer diet!grin

I saw the programme with the ten ways to lose weight. It was on this time of year a few years ago. I also agree that soup is supposed to help you lose weight by making you feel fuller for longer. Personal experience shows that to be true.

I have bought the gastric band book because I am nosy but I do agree that it is straying into the realms of the diet and away from normal eating. That said I haven't read the book yet so may be it all hinges on making sure that you 'fullness' receptors are finely tuned. I really need to read it properly and not make assumptions. I'll let you know my final thoughts but I wouldn't have a gastric band because I don't want to have to think so hard about food and I wonder if that is the result of the hypno version or whether the restrictions you put on yourself are unconscious.

Good luck to the returners to work tomorrow.

Solo Sun 20-Jan-13 23:39:37

Hi all, I am back to work tomorrow, so just popping in. See you all soon I hope. Wish me luck; I need it!

Dottiespots Mon 21-Jan-13 00:31:49

Hi everyone....hope all of you returning to work have a good day.
Solo....heard anything from the man?
I love a homemade bowl of soup with fresh crusty bread and a hunk of cheese. I dont have it before a meal though as Id never eat the meal so I can see why its a dieters friend. One of my favourite drink is sparkly mineral water and elderflower cordial.
Im still finding the chewing very good as it gives me time to appreciate each mouthful before putting the next one in.
Well done on weight loss Divster and anyone else that might have lost a bit.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 21-Jan-13 05:52:30

Good luck solo!

ppeatfruit Mon 21-Jan-13 10:24:51

Morning All!! having I didn't read all the GF free thread but read your post and I make bread with Kamut and rice flour; I'll give you the recipe if you want.

I made a non tomato minestrone for lunch and its nice! Yes that with maybe a piece of toast fills me up completely as you say aws there's no way its a starter!!

Erebus Mon 21-Jan-13 20:57:13

BigBertha just realised the 'reporter' on the '10 things yo didn't know about losing weight' or whatever that programme was called was Mosley, the bloke who's 'invented' 5:2!

Currently struggling a bit with eating enough at meal times to avoid my 'oh, just a bit of this, a bit of that' between meals! I do of course snack but I have chosen what I'll eat beforehand and when I eat it, according to whether I'm hungry (when I get that luxury on work days!) but I haven't factored in the 4 spoonfuls of yogurt, a spoon each from the boys desserts, etc that is offered and accepted without a thought by me blush.... THAT can well add up!

Dottiespots Mon 21-Jan-13 22:04:26

BB I dont think the Mosley bloke invented 5:2....hes just tried it out as he is the reporter and he has made a few programes of this nature trying other ways of eating.

Dottiespots Mon 21-Jan-13 22:24:30

he was the one responsible for popularizing the diet but there are many people who have written books on it.

ppeatfruit Tue 22-Jan-13 10:09:46

Morning All !! I don't reckon there's any competition between the 5:2 diet and ICMYT I don't fancy doing 500 cals on ANY day thanks grin (Not that I ever count cals grin )

Erebus Tue 22-Jan-13 13:10:15

I seriously couldn't imagine doing 5:2 forever, but I do think ICMYT has longevity. After all, providing your diet wasn't completely out of control beforehand, ie was largely 'the right stuff' but too much of it and too many treats, PMc is really just trying to reset our 'stop' button, the one inside I'd say pretty much all of us; whereas imho 5:2 requires divergence from 'the norm'. I did read something in the paper last week where they were comparing 2 diets, calorie control and 5:2 and asked a bunch to people whether they thought they'd still be able to be on either diet a year hence, 25% said yes to 5:2, but 85% said yes to CC ( ie they could say 'yes' or 'no' to both, it wasn't either/or in case you think I can't count!).

Best of luck to anyone who's trying 5:2 though- if it works for you and you can keep the weight off, it's a success.

Michael Moseley is just a television reporter and I think he was a doctor although I am not sure if he qualified. Or I might be confusing him with Harry Hill about not being qualified. confused grin

No he didn't invent 5:2 diet although I notice on Amazon that he has jumped on the band wagon and has bought out a book this year but certainly, he didn't think of the idea.

My first encounter with that sort of thing goes back to much further than that. I think the original idea came from James Johnson in 2009 with the Alternate Day WOE although there are research studies I have seen from a few years earlier than that.

It is actually easy to eat only 500 calories a day. You can get a lot of fruit and veg and low fat proteins (chicken or fish) with 500 cals a day and certainly if you eat that and manage to get past the first week or two, you don't actually get starving hungry anyway.Your appetite decreases to more normal levels. It isn't difficult to get used to from a food point of view. What I couldn't get used to though was the social side of it. Whereas with PMcK you can work your way to eating with family you can't incorporate nearly fasting into normal life so easily. I couldn't do it at weekends for example but I was OK when I could eat by myself as I do for breakfast and lunch most days. It is also made harder when you have to cook for others and then not eat it which is not an issue with PMcK. It all went wrong for me in the school hols when I am never alone!

I was looking for the BBC website for the link to the programme on 10 things you need to know to lose weight and they seem to have changed the web page so they don't list them any more but this blog post lists all 10 things. I thought that the soup one was interesting but also the one about the wider your choice of food the more you eat. Presumably you want to try a bit of everything and you lose the element of boredom that might stop you shovelling food in too. That would probably tally with ICMYT eating - you take longer to be satisfied if you have lots of things to try.

Erebus - I think the 85% who thought they would still be calorie counting in a years time were deluded. They either would still be calorie counting but spending every day kicking themselves when they had eaten too much or they would have given up and restarted many time. They just think it is easier I presume. We know that CC doesn't work

5:2 is more of an unknown - not many people had heard of it until recently. I also think that if you look at how small children eat, you often find they eat less some days than others naturally. It isn't about making sure they eat 3 good meals, they just eat when they are hungry. If you could predict when your less hungry days were and you ate like a toddler you would probably find those days to be good days to eat the 500 cals making it very doable. Unfortunately, as adults we don't have the 'take it or leave it' attitude of small children.

ppeatfruit Tue 22-Jan-13 14:21:17

I get hunger pangs EVERY day though BBB grin As you said a while ago 'cos I eat mostly fruit and veg. maybe I don't eat many calories I don't care as long as I keep my weight down and don't feel hungry I'm happy!!

Dottiespots Tue 22-Jan-13 16:11:01

I find the oposite to be true for me. The wider my choice of food....the less I eat. I find that anything that i restrict I crave so when i go shopping i buy exactly what i want to eat . Obviously I dont overspend but I never buy diet food and deny myself. I always have chocolate and a biscuit tin full of biscuits, crisps and peanuts, cheeses, loads of fruit and veg, chicken and salmon, salads, eggs, real butter, real sugar, fresh coffee ect...my diet is healthy but I eat exactly what I want,when I want it and for me this PMICMYT is working just perfectly. I will not go back to the diet mentality. Im so glad I found this thread cause for me it just caused it to totally click having read back over the other threads.

For me the 5:2 is just another diet which I now I couldnt ever stick to. I also personally dont think much of the Hypno band as again its not allowing you to eat naturally and make choices for yourself as there is this "imaginary " blockage thats doing all the thinking for you. For this to work for ever you have to be the one in the driving seat making choices and understanding your own hunger and your own mind.

BB I would say that with PM way of eating that you do eat like a child. That is what PM puts you back in touch with. That part of your self who only even thinks about eating when they are really hungry and eats whatever they really need and want at that time and then stops when it doesnt taste as good anymore and you are full. That is how children eat and that is what PM tries to teach us. Somedays I naturally dont eat more than 800 cals and other days I eat a bit more I guess. When starting this I counted them out of interest for a week or too but now I dont need to.

I know for everyone it doesnt work because their own mindset and issues get in the way. Some people mistake eating whatever you want when you want it to mean.....start eating and dont stop cause they genuinely cant. I have had emotional eating problems too usually when I feel bad about myself and would then eat all the "bad" foods" even though i wasnt hungry but usually I was still stuck in the diet mentality.

Erebus Tue 22-Jan-13 16:49:50

Bertha I would have to strongly disagree with your statement: 'It is actually easy to eat only 500 calories a day'- no it isn't. If it were, there wouldn't be how many posters on this Topic?!

It has definitely been shown that continuously drastically reduced calorie intake extends your life. But tbh, I'm personally not sure I'd want longer life if it entailed having to live with what I would call deprivation every single day of it!

I am not going to denigrate a diet I haven't tried (and am not likely to, tbh), but I know that personally, being a 'social being' surrounded by Western Culcha like I am, there's no way I could keep 5:2 up!

Aw I agree re the gastric band thing. I don't think it's a sound idea if you are trying to reprogramme yourself to consciously eat 'normally' for ever.

Re Calorie Counting, I guess one thing is that after a while, you know what the calorific value of foods are so you don't maybe actually 'count' them, you are just 'aware' of them. Many women have decades of this knowledge (men don't- you only have to watch a bloke start a diet!- DH came home laden with dried fruit, nuts, cheese, malt loaf (!) and so forth, and was duly shocked when I told him the calorific value of everything. He still errs towards 'Caesar salad', being bedazzled by the 'salad' part of it grin)...

Erebus Tue 22-Jan-13 17:01:20

I should maybe add that DH and I aren't really calorie counting as such- I'm PMc, he's 'what's put in front of him' grin.... No, we cook our evening meal using the Hairy Dieter's recipe book because the food in it is just like real food but cooked in less calorie laden ways.

DH is finding dieting easier than me, as many men tend to. His hormones aren't tripping him up and he can be quite singleminded about stuff. He is 5'6" (shortarse!), weighed 12 stone and has lost maybe 6lbs in the time I lost 4lbs but I think he's 'doing it wrong'. He's big into Slimfast drinks as meal replacements and a bought salad for lunch (he will have checked the calorific content- so it's not really usually Caesar, now he knows more about such things!). It's not enough calories, imho. He also weighs every single day!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 22-Jan-13 17:18:19

My parents are doing 5:2, and now that they've got into it find it pretty easy.

But their life is their own, they have very few commitments and demands on their time - so they are totally away from the problems of trying to fit meals in before/after work, activities and so on.

They never fast at the weekend, and if social constraints mean that they can only fit one day in for a week then they don't stress about it.

They have both lost about 10lbs, but the amazing thing is the stomach fat loss. Dad has dropped more than a trouser size, his clothes are hanging off him, and Mum has dropped a dress size.

Erebus Tue 22-Jan-13 19:07:36

Yes, having no outside commitments would to me be 'key' in 5:2- that and knowing how to eat 'normally' on the '5'.

I don't think the diet would work if you had completely lost control of reality, as it were, prior to dieting (what I mean is 'eat one 'naughty' diet busting biscuit, so then go on the eat the entire packet because 'you've blown it, haven't you?' thinking) eating 'abnormally'.

Best of luck to your parents, please update us on their progress!

Erebus - honestly, you'll have to take my word for it, you don't feel very hungry on 500 calories after a few days. That is the way it works - your appetite reduces because your stomach capacity reduces. It is well documented effect both in the books and from people who have tried it. I think Pauling works on the same sort of principle. If you eat less you need less.

The beauty of it is that you are ever only 24 hours away from eating whatever you like so you don't give into the whole I've eaten one biscuit I might as welll eat the packet thing because you can eat the the lot if you want, in less than a day's time. It is the same as Pauling in that respect, nothing is really out of bounds although you do have to delay a bit with 5:2 but if you can't wait for a few hours then you probably aren't in the right frame of mind to stop when you are full anyway so Pauling probably isn't going to be easy either.

I agree about not wanting to live longer if you are miserable. I think I said the same several days ago. I was doing Alternate Day, the forerunner to 5:2. 5:2 was the maintenance stage of the Alternate Day but that was when I started cheating and it all went to hell in a handcart. The really serious low cal zealots who do it as a lifestyle choice to increase longevity and improve health live off about 800 to 1,000 cals every day. It isn't for most people which is why the AD and 5:2 were invented I suspect. You don't have to cut out food groups or deny yourself every pleasure to get the same results albeit more slowly. The sort of person who can do 1000 cals indefinitely has a rare sort of focus I think and I don't think that sort of person is much interested in the social side of eating anyway - they are too self absorbed.

Ali- Your parent's loss is impressive, particularly losing the weigh around their middles. Did they take their blood pressure and cholesterol before they started? It would be interesting to know if they had changed too. I do agree that you have to be able to do your own thing with that WOE which is why I failed at it. Pauling suits me better......when I knuckle down to it. blush

Solo - if you get the chance to read this, I hope you are OK and work isn't too bad. smile

ppeatfruit Wed 23-Jan-13 09:22:33

Morning smile erebus My DH was on the Cambridge diet thing and when he came off it he put on MORE weight than ever! Those meal replacements are shxx has your DH read the ingredients????!!!!! IMO you can't live on those!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 23-Jan-13 11:31:27

pp IMO that is the problem with all diets like that. Quick fixes with rapid weight loss but as soon as you stop it all piles back on!

I tried doing the Curves 'weight management' it's not a diet of course and you do a week at 1200 calories, 3 weeks at 1500 calories then a few days at 2000 calories until you start gaining and then start over. When I did 1500 I was miserable. The first time I low carbed on 1500 calories I had to go to bed at 8 because I had such a blinding headache. I would much rather Paul.

Weighed myself this morning, I am about 7lb heavier than when I got pregnant and at 27 weeks I am very happy with that! smile

Hope work is ok solo!

ppeatfruit Wed 23-Jan-13 12:00:29

Glad you're doing well having! Sorry ere I just reread your post and see that you think he's doing it wrong too! Does he listen to you or like mine does he think his way is best even though the evidence of his eyes tells him otherwise! hmm Congrats on the 4lbs. loss BTW grin!

Hi all,

Been doing this for 3 weeks now and lost 2lb. Quite disappointed as have 3 stone to lose. Still, it's going in the right direction and it isn't THAT hard, though I find myself eating much more often, if not completing meals.

ppeatfruit Wed 23-Jan-13 13:09:37

HiStarlight it's a good start and that's what happens with the meals grin. Are you finding that your clothes are looser?

No really, but then I don't wear clothes my size anyway as I hate shopping so still squeeze into the ones that I owned way before I got this big. They still dig in.

2lb isn't really that much % wise for me.

ppeatfruit Wed 23-Jan-13 14:55:07

Are you doing the chewing for 15 to 20 times (with your eyes closed sometimes) sitting down and eating consciously thing?

Yes. I don't always do it right, but it's becoming more and more usual. I don't like the eyes thing. I have 3 very young children and they talk to me non-stop, so impossible to have no distractions at all.

I feel 'better' overall though. Just a bit disappointed.

ppeatfruit Wed 23-Jan-13 15:07:07

I totally understand how difficult it must be with L.Os I admire all the posters on here who have them and are doing P.M. It CAN be done once you get into it though grin Don't give up you're doing well (even if you have a few blips its soo easy to just pick it up again). grin

Dottiespots Wed 23-Jan-13 16:36:52

Hi Star....Trust me....2lbs in 3 weeks is good. If you are eating as you want and enjoying your food and not dieting but still managed to lose 2lbs then whats not to like. Its not meant to be a "diet" as such but a way of eating for life so you lose gradually and never have to diet again. Youve only just begun and it takes time for the body and mind to understand the process. The chewing thing pp mentions really has helped me alot as it helps me to be really present in the eating process. Ive been doing it for 4 weeks or so and have lost 6 lbs. In the first couple of weeks I went on this thread moaning about the fact that I hadnt lost anything and until last week I hadnt. But I carried on doing the process and its started to work.

ppeatfruit Wed 23-Jan-13 16:39:20

YAAAAAY aws grin grin

Thank you aws.

I'll stick with it. I haven't been miserable so even if I only manage a 1b a week, Ill be a stone lighter after 3 months and I'm pretty sure 3 months ago I was saying the same thing but not achieving it.

And 3 months is spring which justifies a new wardrobe grin

Dottiespots Wed 23-Jan-13 16:57:36

Thats the way to think about it. Think how much you could lose in a year with eating mindfully. You could be approximately 3 stone lighter this time next year OR you could go on "diet" after "magical diet" starting off full of excitment and believing this is the one only to fail yet again when you binge and find yourself this time next year still with 3 stone (or maybe more) to lose again.
pp....Thankyou!!!

Erebus Wed 23-Jan-13 19:25:49

Hey guys- do you think the 3 150ml glasses of pinot grij I've managed to consume since 5pm (shock) will count in PMc? I was drank them all consciously and chewed them really well grin.

I am a disgrace and will stand in the corner accordingly.

But actually I am utterly self-sabotaging as I weighed this morning and haven't lost anything since last Friday (Fri is my weigh in so WHY??)- so why drink about a million calories in wine??!

I will do 30 mins on the treadmill in penance!

And re-weigh on Friday.

ppeatfruit Wed 23-Jan-13 19:52:08

erebus you know this is NOT a cal.controlled diet if you had the wine don't eat until you feel hungry, drink water to stop dehydration though!!! grin I remembered you don't like water grin (it might give you a hangover of course) . Just start again tomorrow no probs.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 23-Jan-13 19:56:25

Isn't what he says about booze not to drink during a meal because you're less conscious of your consumption?

ppeatfruit Wed 23-Jan-13 19:59:43

Yes he also says that he's never seen a fat alkie hmm I know quite a few fat people who drink too much.!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 23-Jan-13 20:09:49

IME alkies come in all shapes and sizes and their shape tends to depend on their poison - obviously best vodka is less calorific than say beer or cider, however they tend to be nutritionally compromised because excess alcohol depletes the appetite.

Dottiespots Wed 23-Jan-13 20:36:18

Erebus.....some of the posts you write seem to show that you are still conscious of calories like pp says. ie....calories in a can of coke compared to cals in diet coke and talking about spoiling your day because youve had some wine. This way as Im sure you know is about eating and drinking anything that you like as long as your hungry and and stoping when the food loses its flavour and that usually means your full. Its not about good foods or bad foods in any way (unless you have problems or allergies ). Maybe re read the book?

Dottiespots Wed 23-Jan-13 20:42:47

Faith....hows you and are you getting very very big now? And wow!!! your weight is great considering your pregnant. So are you still conciously doing PM ?

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 23-Jan-13 22:35:37

Hi aws I'm well thanks! I am pretty big! I'm measuring spot on for my dates (I'm 27 weeks). I think I could pretend I wasn't pregnant with my big coat on (which still fits!) but just jumpers I am clearly round!

In some ways I'm better at Pauling than ever - totally eating what I fancy. Bit rubbish at concentrating whilst eating although I told DH I have to eat at the table from now on because otherwise I just drop food down myself as bump gets in the way! smile I am trying to focus on including my 5 a day in my diet by taking veggie/fruit snacks to work.

I have managed to reschedule my glucose tolerance test for Monday so I'm just hoping that is ok but if its not, my friend is a dietitian who specialises in gestational diabetes so I'll be set for advice!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Thu 24-Jan-13 09:33:33

Hi all. January is a nightmare at work for me so haven't been Pauling much but just wanted to come and wave.

ppeatfruit Thu 24-Jan-13 11:32:56

Morning everyone (waves to Thedoc grin hope the nightmare will be over soon!)

Sounds like you're doing brilliantly having and pat the little Paul or Paulette for me!! Oh another thing excess alcohol does is Fxxx up yr hormones.

Sorry ere grin you'll be thinking we're health freaks on here ( I am careful with my health because my dsis had the big C, she's okay now but always has something wrong bless her!) it IS better not to be ill isn't it!! grin

Snatch, you aren't an accountant are you? January is pretty hellish here too. Damn those tax returns. Only a week to go. <<brightens up a bit>>

To keep the office happy in the face of the tax return pile and after seeing the unsightly scramble for a sugar hit with the stuff left over from Christmas, I have been buying them biscuits, first Christmas ones in the sale and now just any old thing. The rest of the office guzzles them down and I virtuously refuse and go home and eat cake. smile

It strikes me that deep down I still regard food as a treat or a comfort even when I am dishing it out to others and not eating it myself. Probably not doing myself any favours thinking like that.

Faith - bet you are enjoying all the ice! Being pregnant in icy weather is guaranteed to make you feel slightly more vulnerable than usual as I remember. Ironically, the only time I actually slipped over when pregnant was at about 12 weeks with DS1. I slipped on a banana skin would you believe. grin

Take it easy. I can't believe you are this far along. I always thought of 28 weeks as one of those landmarks in the pregnancy road. Not sure why - it is the start of the final trimester I suppose but I think it was because the vast majority of babies survive if born after this date so early labour is slightly less scary. Not ideal but not the worry it was. You are nearly there. Hope the glucose tolerance goes OK. smile

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 24-Jan-13 17:30:15

Yes I fell over last week (bit of plastic hidden under snow!) which rattled me a bit. Been super careful and wearing my nice sturdy doc martens smile DDad described me as 'heavily pregnant' today...I'm not convinced I am quite yet but definitely round and can't walk straight....definitely more of a waddle! I've got a week's annual leave next week, can't wait.

BB work sounds stressful! Great plan re sharing out the biscuits - sugary foods do seem to boost morale. I know what you mean about food being treats and/or comforts. I think it stems from my Mum and how she treated food. She had weight issues in childhood and was paranoid about us getting fat ha and we swung between almost deprivation at times (we never starved! But like low calorie intake, constant monitoring about the amount of butter on toast etc) to 'treats' in the house where we could often end up bingeing because you never knew when she'd take them away again.

I suppose that's why I love Pauling - most 'diets' tap into that cycle - eventually you fail at depriving yourself. Pauling makes you look at why you're eating the way you are. I love being pregnant because I finally feel like I have permission to eat well and not deprive myself smile

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Thu 24-Jan-13 20:02:54

BBB, not an accountant but the stress is 31 Dec related <cryptic>

Nearly home now but more to do tonight, sigh.

Erebus Thu 24-Jan-13 21:14:42

aws and others- believe me , the 3 glasses of Pinot didn't spoil my day at all! Rather iced the cake, tbh!

TBH, I understand why there might be 'concern' that I continue to be 'calorie-aware' but I just am. I am aware that a good couple of slices of malt loaf are serious calories whereas a couple of slices of say dark rye bread aren't. I like both equally so if faced with a choice, I'd go the rye bread every time because I know it contains significantly less calories than the malt.

Anyway, I was a bit disheartened that after an 3lb, 3lb weight loss over 2 weeks, this week appeared to be a big, fat zero- but this morning (one day prior to normal weigh-in) I'd lost 1lb which is fine- AND AF kicked in. I'm very peri-menopausal so it came as a surprise but also an explanation as to why I'd been so mindful of my food intake yet had slot so little. Next Friday it'll be a fair bit more, mindfulness permitting.

I am also big into there being no 'good' and 'bad' foods. All foods are equal. It's the quantities and why we choose to eat them that matter!

Erebus Thu 24-Jan-13 21:15:40

slot so little? lost so little!

Dottiespots Thu 24-Jan-13 21:21:59

Fath.....your mum sounds just like mine. But when I had my children I made a conscious decision to never make food an issue. To my children food is ...well.....just food. Ive never separated treats and non treats or low fat and diet and normal. I have always had a chocolate draw filled with choc bars, sweets,crisps etc. Cakes if anyone wants them (homemade), coke, proper yogurts, real butter and real cheese,real mayo etc. Funnily enough I read about this way of being with food in a book called overcoming overeating where it stresses that food is just that......food. I also have loads of salad, huge bowls overflowing with fruit, berries, chicken, salmon, brocolli, fresh herbs ect and my children have grown up very slim and eat when they are hungry, stop when they are full and my daughter is size 6 to 8 and 5ft 7 and she has no issues with food. So Im glad I managed to not continue the "issues" my mother passed to me onto my children. I also have followed this way of eating myself for the last 20 years but was still guilty of falling back into the dieting trap. So now I stick to the mindful eating and its working really well.

angelabbie Thu 24-Jan-13 22:44:20

hello everyone, I wondered if I may join in the thread. I have just started the Gastric band and am going to get the app for the other one you guys are doing. I have read the entire thread with interest and the support is fab. The gastric band is really just the same as the one you guys are doing now except with the addition of being helped to feel full. That is the only difference I can really see at the moment. I am only on day three and finding eating without distraction a bit tricky with three kids all wanting something or another but its nice to not feel as if I am on a diet.
Anyway nice to meet you all and hope to get to know you all over the next few weeks.
x

Hi Abbie, and welcome. smile

just wanted to pop in while my internet is behaving for 2 minutes to let you all know that I am still reading even if you don't see me posting.

We do not have scales here, but there are some at work, so I had been weighing once a month on them, but they seem to have disappeared!! shock I thought this would freak me out, but actually I am remaining calm and am taking my encouragement from the fact my clothes are getting ever looser. I have very limited clothes here as we arrived with one suitcase each and having lost quite a bit of weight so far, some I cannot wear any more at all. I might see if I can buy some this weekend, see if I have lost enough to fit into something here! With the lack of scales, I am worried that I will put some weight on and not be aware of it......or perhaps I am making excuses.........or perhaps I am waffling because I can't get on here much, so while I can I will make the most of it. grin

Have a good day. <waves>

Dottiespots Thu 24-Jan-13 23:36:01

Hi angelabbie.....welcome. There have been loads of threads before this one by the lovely ladies who originally started it. Your on day three....hope it goes well for you. I personally dont agree with the "imaginary gastric band" as it goes against the original idea of ICMYT which is all about mindful eating and learning for life how to eat like a slim person and not relying on diets or gimmicks to screw you up. Ive been following a few threads on the imaginary gastric band and from what i can see the idea that you cant eat more than a certain amount because the band stops you doesnt seem to work. The ladies that started it are already binging and overeating and still not knowing when they are full etc. They seemed to expect it to be like some magical solution to their weight loss.....just like a diet.......but the only way that really seems to work for life is to be aware of yourself when you eat and follow the 4 rules. BBB said it best when she mentioned eating like children. Most children who have been left to their own normal eating will only eat when they are truly hungry, eat what they want, and automatically stop when they are full. Thats normal.....then they grow up and someone mentions the word "diet" and thats when there normal eating pattern goes out the window not to mention emotional eating cause they feel bad.
Anyway it will be really interesting to see how it goes for you with the "band" thingie....but if you keep to the 4 rules then you should be ok with or without the imaginary "band".

Dottiespots Thu 24-Jan-13 23:40:24

Hi Positive.....hows it going. Well done you on having loose clothes. Wowee!!! trying on new clothes and having them fit or be too big will be fun.I wouldnt worry about the scales just concentrate on Pauling as this is an opportunity to see eating mindfully working without watching the evil things.ha ha.

ppeatfruit Fri 25-Jan-13 09:25:55

Morning Everyone smile A big welcome to you angelab grin

Good to hear from youPositive Sounds like you're doing REALLY well esp. if you reckon the locals clothes will fit you now or soon !!!! I don't weigh at all or maybe every 2 months or so! (and we keep one under the desk right here with my computer on it for luggage grin) I just notice if my belly is a bit bigger in the mirror in the bathroom.

aws and BBB IKWYM about eating like children BUT thinking about it some of them need to taught to CHEW slowly (I'll never forget one of my mindees shoving pieces of banana into his mouth and not swallowing till he was retching shock) that was just him he liked banana grin.

angelabbie Fri 25-Jan-13 13:54:48

Hi asangel. I am going to read the ICMYT over the weekend and next week as that is new to me. I happened to come across the other one first which is the only reason I am doing it first. He is very clear in the book that you have to follow the four golden rules. I think that the band side of it was supposed to help you recognise the full feeling quicker which is what is happening with me but I am being very mindful of the way I am eating and am convinced that is what is making the difference rather than anything else. I also think it is very easy to convince yourself you are still hungry when you are not just because the food is so nice or you do not want to be wasteful.
Its all very interesting and I def do not feel as if I am on a diet but I do find myself thinking about food just as much as if I was on a diet if you see what I mean.
Anyway have a good weekend everyone.

Dottiespots Fri 25-Jan-13 18:48:18

Yep abbie I agree with you. You are thinking about food alot when doing this mindful eating but only because your asking yourself "nice" questions like
Ooo I feel hungry (hunger scale)
What do I really really feel like eating
Eat it
Chew very slowly and concentrate on the taste, texture,
Am I full or have I had enough of this particular food now
Stop....even if you have only had a few bites
pp was the one who told me to chew,chew,chew and poss with eyes closed as you really are in the moment more. But it makes such a difference. But the thinking is different as you dont have to overthink yourself into a tizz as to whether you have had too many cals or fats or points or whatever....just think about what it is your eating and your enjoyment of it.
It doesnt feel simple to us because were not used to being in touch with our own hunger and full signals but it will get normal as we get used to it .

ppeatfruit Sat 26-Jan-13 08:55:36

morning all grin That's very nice of you aws but I 'm sure I read the 'chew chew' rule in P.M's ICMYT book or it's in one of his DVDs or C.D'S. Interestingly it was a "diet" rule in the early 19th C and before. Also its much better for your whole digestive tract because digestion starts in the mouth!

ppeatfruit Sat 26-Jan-13 09:02:26

angelabbbie I cook healthy cakes which are delicious! (well I think so [grin) and that's usually the time I feel myself not being mindful) we all go 'off piste' sometimes it's normal (I did over Xmas) I just return to it properly and off comes the extra bit of weight. grin

Hello!

ppeat - re eating like children, I was wondering how old banana stuffing boy was? Was he old enough to have picked up bad habits from his parents? Just pondering. I suspect if he had been allowed to retch often enough it would have slowed him down but you never know with some children! It could have been risky putting it to the test too. The consequences of it being allowed to continue would not be pleasant!

I also have a theory that some food bolters are naturally skinny (just thinking of a few people who I have known who eat exceptionally fast). They just do everything fast including eat and consequently burn up any extra calories but sadly, it probably doesn't apply to any of us. I know our problem is probably not stuffing it down at great speed but just eating without thinking more than anything.

Re parents' influence on our eating. I too was not allowed many real threats. We had homemade cake a lot (daily really but it was made on a Sunday and once it was gone it was gone) but we didn't have the money to get sweets and crisps more than once in a blue moon and as soon as I got pocket money and bus money and had a bit of freedom I started to buy things I would have been better off without. And then knowing my mother wouldn't have approved and would have said I should be saving, I started getting secretive about it as well. Not good. sad

I have tried not to ban anything for my boys thinking that they would not bother if it wasn't forbidden but it hasn't worked like that. They still want sweets and fizzy drinks if they are around. If I don't buy them then it is effectively banning them and if I do, I have to keep an eye on what they eat so it hasn't really worked out except they are willing to accept that once they have had a bit of something that is it for the day. Time will tell if they go mad once they have the freedom to buy stuff for themselves.

ppeatfruit Sat 26-Jan-13 21:46:32

Hi BBB Banana boy was about 10 months to a year I s'pose (it was 28 years ago) shock after he did it once I watched him more carefully at meals and gave him smaller pieces one by one when he'd finished the one before! He was always VERY TALL and thin you're right grin.

We allowed the DCs complete freedom with their pocket money and they bought sweets with it, I went with them when they were little, then they started saving for toys etc. and so stopped buying sweets naturally IYSWIM. They had them at the ILS or friends but we never had a tin all the time. I tried not to make an issue out of them. Chocolate was more forthcoming than sweets because I like it!

TBH it seems that whatever we do we're in the wrong!! So eff it!!

Solo Sat 26-Jan-13 22:56:55

Hi all. Really tired, got loads to do before going off to training on Monday...lost 5 1/2lbs last week btw (had gained a few), so am now 13st 5 1/2lbs again. I bought the PMK gastric band book today from WHS for £6.49. Not sure why, but want to keep my options open, but still keep to my Paul iyswim? <faithful>.

Hope I can get Wifi at the college so I can keep sane in touch.

Welcome newbies, hi to all the regulars and keep up the good work.

Dottiespots Sun 27-Jan-13 04:25:07

Hi Solo. Well done on the weight loss.
PP....from what you have said on your posts do you eat quite low carb?

ppeatfruit Sun 27-Jan-13 10:08:18

Morning all SOLO !!! I thought of you when I posted last night I hope everything is going well; the weight loss is great grin

aws I follow my Blood Type (using my own experiences of course) which is brilliant because the author is a scientist\nutritionist and has tested each food against each blood type; and it explains e.g. why some of us hate steak and tomatoes (and get eczema and arthritis from them; A types like me ) while others are good with them; O types like DH.

I don't eat ANY wheat but I eat other whole carbs like org. oats, rye, spelt and Kamut bread, crackers etc.

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Jan-13 12:52:12

IS THERE ANBODY THERE grin???!!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 28-Jan-13 13:55:50

Nope!

Ha yes actually. Had my glucose tolerance tested. Think it sent me mental...popped to shops, left my debit card behind. Fortunately realised I had forgotten to buy the salmon I wanted so popped to coop and then realised it was missing, drove back and got it back. Been home about 10 minutes and realised I left my keys in the front door hmm Have eaten a salmon sandwich though (thought I could do with the protein) and starting to feel a bit better!

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Jan-13 14:44:32

Oh blimey HavingA grin perhaps it was LBSL!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 28-Jan-13 14:45:57

LSBL?!

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Jan-13 15:06:40

LBSL Low Blood Sugar Level grin

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 28-Jan-13 15:14:08

Ah! Indeed! Yes I feel a million times better for eating and a sit down smile

Jayneguest Mon 28-Jan-13 15:17:56

I found that after struggling to eat slowly at first I got much better and i have managed to get the kids to slow down too. I saw an independant hypnotist although he did say that paul mckenna does similar things because he uses all the best techniques that he hears about. sounds sensible.

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Jan-13 16:27:08

Interesting about the best techniques jayneguest Are you joining us or have you changed yr name? Welcome anywaygrin

Jayneguest Mon 28-Jan-13 17:56:01

Hi ppeatfruit been trying to find the link for the guy I have been seeing and his website so you can read his gastric band thoughts. He wasnt a fan as he said that if you have gastric band hypnosis then it doesnt really address the real issues, or something like that ! will try and post link after the kids have had tea.

Jayneguest Mon 28-Jan-13 18:24:32

here's the blog post about paul mckennas gastric band hypnosis I was talking about. Its also quite interesting to hear what Paul says about it and how the people in the studio were getting hypnotised too!
www.markpowlett.co.uk/myblog/read_70079/paul-mckenna-gastric-band-hypnosis.html

Dottiespots Mon 28-Jan-13 19:19:43

Hi Jayne......are you newwww!!! Had a look at your link and I was aware that Paul Mckenna was against the gastic bypass thing as he said somewhere that its a gimmick and a quick fix that doesnt work to address the underlying issue. Im sticking to his original idea which is "mindful eating" which I have always tried to do.
PP....Hi....sorry i didnt get on to post yesterday. Hows you? Are you still sticking with your linen jacket idea for wedding? I keep having a look at stuff but really really hate the idea of Mother of the Bride stuff as its too starchy for me. I will find something eventually as I have a year and a half anyway.
Hi everyone else....hows everyone doing?

Hello everyone.

Hopefully this post will load up. hmm

I have decided that I am going to get a dress made here for the wedding. So any ideas on how to look lovely would be great. It seems the best idea rather than having a panic in 9 days I am back in the UK before the wedding. I have got as far as thinking maybe something with blue in it and calf length, with a small matching jacket. Other than that I am at a loss!! Any suggestions to cover my "floppy" bits and look good would be appreciated. I dont want to look like a walking tent! Not too sure on my size now, maybe a 20.

Scales were found at work, stood on them and I had not lost, but I am not down as I "feel" smaller, so I will go with that! grin

ppeatfruit Tue 29-Jan-13 11:16:48

Morning everyone grin Nice to hear from you again Positiveattitude grin You're lucky they make clothes cheaply out of lovely silk where you are; I remember we had silk outfits made in Singapore that were beautiful. (I know you're not there). I admit I've forgotten exactly where you are blush! Also congratulations on staying positive grin

The dress and jacket idea is good 'cos it can be as dressy or casual as you like Yes aws I'm still thinking of that idea I'm in the U.K. this weekend and will begin looking for the dress in earnest! (I'll have to remember to take a swatch of the jacket material)

Dottiespots Wed 30-Jan-13 02:06:10

www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10001_10001_008010831297_-1......What about something like this with a little jacket Positive. Is that the sort of thing or less formal? It would cover wibbly bits by hiding them, show a bit of clevage, shows a bit of leg ??? But you did say calf length didnt you so maybe this is too short.

Dottiespots Wed 30-Jan-13 02:10:38
Dottiespots Wed 30-Jan-13 02:11:56

sorry .....links are not working.

ppeatfruit Wed 30-Jan-13 10:36:14

Thanks aws Morning grin blimey quilted jackets are back in again are they? (I've only worn the one I bought 5 yrs ago approx 10 times!).

I'm going for something retro maybe 50s style a large bluey print on a light background esp. now i've got the figure for it HOORAY!!! though maybe hippy chic print might look nice.

Hi everyone,

Anybody watching the Michael Moseley truth about exercise programme? Fascinating. <<stands up to MN>>

Erebus Wed 30-Jan-13 22:10:36

Yes, just watched the Mosley programme about exercise. Blimey...BUT - and this isn't just an excuse- the reality is that I know a concerted exercise regime just doesn't do it for me! I'd go 4 times a week to the gym, for 6 months, work hard but genuinely didn't tone up, lose weight or gain much stamina. No real response at all. I had always suspected I was a 'non responder' but was always 'shouted down'.... Now I do wonder if I was right!

Me too Erebus. I have never got that buzz from exercise you are supposed to get either - becoming more energetic and all that. Always thought I was doing it wrong but maybe not.

I am very tempted by the 3 minutes a week thing though. I could do that and it seems to have a significant implications for things other than aerobic improvements. The glucose tolerance was a big deal I thought.

Really it requires us to go back to activity patterns we might have had 100 years ago - no sitting down, keep moving. No more being slumped on the sofa/at your desk for hours on end. It seems those who go to the gym are kidding themselves if they don't move the rest of the time.

And It vindicates my view that a shopping is good exercise. I never bought this idea that because you stood still sometimes and weren't getting out of breath that somehow it wasn't good for you and not 'proper' exercises. I shall be booking more shopping outings! grin

Erebus Wed 30-Jan-13 22:31:15

Yes, I'm going to try and stay on my feet more now and stress less about 2 1/2 hours exercise a week. I power walk 3 or 4 times a week for 30mins on a treadmill and am wondering whether to just go flat out for a minute or so instead. Tho it's harder than on a bike as you can't just stop when you're close to collapse!

Ir's worth a go Erebus. Especially if you aren't enjoying the treadmill and plan to stand up more in exchange.

I thought it was also very interesting how many more calories MM burnt just by being more active and not sitting down. 500 wasn't it? Where can I get me some fidget pants.?!grin

Actually that will be the problem in the end I suppose. He got all the feedback from the test results to motivate him and we won't have that. It must really help..

But the good thing is that it ties in with Pauling because doesn't he say you don't necessarily need to do formal exercise, just move more?

ppeatfruit Thu 31-Jan-13 10:02:33

Morning all! The fact that we're all different is often ignored. Some people LOVE running,etc. others don't; I prefer stretches,walking and dancing and it's all fine as long as you're not in agony Paul Mckenna says "No pain no pain!"

I think its ironic to see people driving to the gym when they could help their fitness just by walking or running the distance there and walking back without spending all that membership money and feeling guilty for vegging out not feeling like going!

ppeatfruit Thu 31-Jan-13 13:55:29

I'm off to your side of the pond tomorrow so keep up the good work everyone grin I'll speak in a week or so. Byeeee

Have a good trip ppeat

Dottiespots Fri 01-Feb-13 01:56:12

PP hope you have a nice time in UK. I think Ive decided what sort of thing i www.boden.co.uk/en-GB/Womens-Dresses/Knee-Length-Dresses/WH458/Womens-Notch-Neck-Shift.html?NavGroupID=4will wear......A dress from Boden. Something like this cause its simple and casual but will look lovely with brown legs and a gorgeous pair of high heels and a little cardi or jacket. mmmmm.

Dottiespots Fri 01-Feb-13 02:06:04

As regards to the exercise....I saw on femail about the 4 minute exercise thing....not sure if thats what your referring to. You have to do 20 seconds of full on exercise whether it be running or squats or bike ...whatever then rest for 10 seconds then 20 seconds again then rest for 10 etc etc till you get to 4 mins and you have to do it as quick and hard as you can and then thats it. Whats not to like lol!!!http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2270901/Can-really-fit-FOUR-MINUTES-day-Its-hot-new-exercise-craze-And-amazingly-worked-exhausted-guinea-pig.html cant get link to work though.

Dottiespots Fri 01-Feb-13 02:07:47

Sounds like a similar sort of thing aws, except that you do intense activity for 20 seconds and rest for a minute, repeated 3 times, 3 times a week.

The comments on the article were interesting as some of them missed the point saying you can't get fit in that time and all that. As side from the fact that some people can, it in the Michael Mosley programme it was about the effects on your blood that were most striking. The improvements in the levels of fat in the blood stream and the regulation of blood sugar. It wasn't really about losing weight but about being healthier although of course losing weight is a strong possibility. Unfortunately, the Daily Mail didn't talk about this and so a lot of people in the comments were calling it a faddy exercise regime or just like interval training which it isn't really because as I understand it, interval training isn't so intense and it goes on for a lot longer. I don't think it represents the research as well as the TV programme did.

And as for her being a size 14 and overweight - depressing. She probably needed to lose all of 2 lbs to get back into the healthy category. My heart bleeds for her. <<grumpy proper fat person emoticon>>

CowboyPie Fri 01-Feb-13 14:21:48

Hi all, can I join in please? I read the book last night for the first time (haven't listened to the cd yet but I'll get chance later), so today is my day 1.

Erebus Fri 01-Feb-13 14:42:16

An aside- I was thinking a bit from straying into 5:2 territory. I saw The MM video (the Horizon one) on a link someone on the 5:2 'board' posted (thanks) and it all looked very convincing. However, another link on that 'board' (it's just the lead post of number- was it 13?- of that OP thread, I should add. The OP gives stacks of different links for newbies to digest) said that the effects of intermittent fasting on women didn't look quite so good as for men, i.e. appeared to maybe be associated with anxiety, wakefulness etc. Apparently the vast amount of research has been carried out on men alone, whom the WOE seems to benefit enormously...

So I am pointing DH in that direction whilst I stick to PMc for now!

chinhealer Fri 01-Feb-13 17:14:09

Re. high intensity training, I've been using similar principles when it comes to weightlifting. ie heavy weights, 5 compound exercises (only one set each) targeting all the major muscle groups, very low reps (less than 10; Sometimes as few as 3) and each movement executed super-slowly. And my workout is over within about 15-20 mins. The key is then to allow my muscles to recover properly. Which means that I wait at least another week before hitting the gym to do the same workout. (Although I can incrementally increase the weight as I get stronger.)
The rest of the week, I walk/run/swim/chi kung as I fancy. It's definitely the best weights regime I've ever adopted.

For anyone interested, here's the science bit !

fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/06/dr-doug-mcguff-on-exercise.aspx

chinhealer Fri 01-Feb-13 17:23:52

Oh, and I'm sure it goes without saying, but I don't think either high intensity training or fasting are good ideas for new mums/breastfeeding mums.

But, personally, I suspect that following Paul Mckenna's Four Golden Rules is a healthy thing for anyone including new mums/breastfeeding mums.

Although, in terms of listening to the gastric band hypnosis, I might be cautious if you are breastfeeding or pregnant. He does not mention this issue at all in either Thin or Gastric Band. Which is an oversight I think. And I also wonder whether some major caution should be exercised if someone is anorexic/bulimic etc. I wonder whether there might be any ill effects if those with extreme eating disorders tried the hypnosis as a means to help them restrict their diet even further!

Dottiespots Fri 01-Feb-13 19:29:20

BBB.....interesting. The Mail only puts bits of things on its web page and doesnt go into much detail does it.
Chin.....I think that ICMYT is fine for breastfeeding and pregnancy etc cause its not saying anything new really. Its just showing you how to eat like "normal" slim people do whereby you eat when your hungry,stop when your full and eat whatever it is you feel like at that time. Its not easy to reprogram your mind after so many years of dieting and it takes alot of conscious thinking whilst chewing and eating but you do get there. Many people who have disordered eating find letting themselves go enough to eat what they want is the hard part as the feelings of guilt then overeating kick in.
Erebus...I understand the appeal of the 5.2 and the alternate day diet but to me thats what it is.....a diet which then causes my mind to start losing the plot . Somedays I still feel like starting a "Diet" cause it is the magicial cure for weight loss (like hell it is) and I then have to give myself a good talking to to stop the thought in its tracks. Cause of course any diet I start will fail cause thats what they all do at some point...they fail. If they worked we would go on one diet in our lifetime and never need to go on one again.

Diets don't fail aws. They just come to an end.wink grin

Seriously, it isn't the diet itself that is the failure because people can and do lose weight. What fails is that once the 6 days or 6 weeks or 6 months is over and you have reached target and you don't have to eat in a strange and restrictive way any more, you go back to your old habits because you can't live on a 'diet' forever and you haven't made healthy changes to your diet that you can live with indefinitely. They are designed for the weight loss and not for the maintenance. I read that somewhere and it struck a cord. I think it is true. Nobody can count points, sins or calories or whatever forever and still stay sane or have a good relationship with food or their bodies even if doing so does what it is supposed to in the short term.

Don't you just wish that for once there was a quick fix though?! <<sigh>>

Can you tell I had too much for tea!? With good reason after the week/month we have had which is now thankfully behind us, but even so, I'll have to start again (again) tomorrow.

Chinhealer - thanks for the link. That sounds like my kind of exercise. I would rather do weight than get out of breath any day of the week. (obviously I know weights aren't enough although I wish they were!)

Erebus - that is interesting about the 5:2 being beneficial men more than women. I think all the qualitative case studies I have read were on men although a lot of the lab work on physiology alone was both men and women. Men tend to find it easier than women I think but they don't have to deal with fluctuations in their hormones which can make them get very hungry at certain time in the month - it is more difficult to fast when you are suffering from the monthly munchies that can sometimes strike...... or is that just me!? blush

Women also have more fat naturally which maybe they are conditioned to hang on to for reproductive purposes which would perhaps negate the impact of fasting. I don't know. I think I did read something a while back about breast cancer rates in ultra low cal diets being lower but I could be making that up. I might try and find it later.

Dottiespots Fri 01-Feb-13 22:52:36

Hi Cowboy......so day 1.Welcome and Well done for trying to change the way you eat. Its not quick but it is something that can be done for life. Whats not to like. There are good days and bad but keeping a diary helps me to see where i go wrong and what was happening that day.
BBB......I do weights and they really are good for contouring your body and shrinking it as the muscle gets bigger and takes up less room in clothes. How much have you lost altogther BB?

CowboyPie Sat 02-Feb-13 00:43:16

Well, it's the end of my first day. I didn't manage to find time to listen to the cd, thanks to DP being ill and DS being a toddler. There's always tomorrow though!

First day didn't go so badly, I certainly was very conscious of everything I ate and I'm starting to be more in tune with feelings of hunger already. Satiety though, that will be hard, but I did the 'stop as soon as you think you're full'. I suppose 'knowing' when you're full comes with time?

Dottiespots Sat 02-Feb-13 00:54:11

Hi Cow......ha ha.....that sounds soooo wrong!!!... Feeling truly hungry is the first one to master. For me its that feeling that if i dont get to the kitchen and eat "now" that the world will stop. And as for full.....for me its the feeling that the food just loses its taste. ie....doesnt taste as good as the first couple of bites did. Then i stop. Have been really munchy myself today , hormonal i think. But havnt really eaten alot all told. About 1500 to 2000 cals. Im trying to write down what i eat more as an exercise in my eating habits than counting calories. Realised i ate too many biscuits instead of food so trying to rectify that.

chinhealer Sat 02-Feb-13 02:54:04

@awsangel - I guess the only aspect about following the Golden Rules which might be unwise for bfing and pregnancy is that I, for instance, have been actively conscious of reducing my portion sizes down to the point where I am pleasantly satisfied on the whole. Or even neutral, sometimes. And on Thursday I went nearly 12 hours without food between breakfast and dinner because I simply wasn't hungry despite being very active and, even, going to the gym for a short cardio workout during that time! Now, I don't think that would be wise for bfing and pregnancy. But maybe, as long as a bfing or pregnant woman listens to her body (and is properly in tune with her body) she will be able to gauge how much to eat and when in a healthy way.

If anyone's interested, I've recently begun a blog to document my experiences following the Four Golden Rules:

cheeriofatty.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/eating-consciously-day-10-a-day-of-no-hunger/

chinhealer Sat 02-Feb-13 03:41:50

@BBB - I know what you mean. But, actually, if you're doing it right, (ie. heavy enough and slow enough with perfect form) the high intensity weights workout actually makes your heart work harder and in a healthier way than it would doing steady state aerobic exercise and it will leave you feeling like you've run a marathon! It sounds a lot easier than it is. But, mercifully, it is over quickly!

But, unless you are very familiar with the inside of a gym, I would definitely ask one of the gym staff to guide you through this new way of weightlifting initially. (And, it goes without saying that you should make sure your GP is fine with your exercising like this - especially if you have been sedentary for a long time.)

Dottiespots Sat 02-Feb-13 03:42:30

Chin....I can see what you mean but when breastfeeding I was always hungry in the early weeks anyway so ate more. But generally, after having a baby most of us are carrying extra weight which is there for that very purpose ie so the body can use up the fat stores to keep the milk supply abundant. I breastfed my two for a couple of years each.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sat 02-Feb-13 09:00:39

I find the basic principles of PM are compatible with pregnancy but sometimes I find I'm listening to cues from my baby and not just my stomach. I found if I didn't eat enough some days my baby was less active (not good) so I start eating maybe a little sooner than I usually would. I also get to 'very hungry' on the scale more quickly and feel full faster. Obviously I'm not trying to lose weight at the moment, but I don't want to binge and gain tonnes because with a high BMI, I've been told to try to minimise my gain to about a stone. I am very much enjoying the freedom to eat whatever/whenever I feel I need to (absolute Pauling!) and am very happy with my body smile

Welcome to cowboy! Glad your first day went well. I found the easiest time to listen to the CD before bed personally and I feel more relaxed before I sleep!

Cupcake1982 Sat 02-Feb-13 10:31:58

Hi, I'm new to this sight and just wrote a long message introducing myself and it didn't work for some reason (so hoping this one does smile )
I have been dieting on and off for years and I am bigger than ever so thought i'd give pm a go! I have tried pm in the past and do like it I just need to stick with it!
It is great to find people that have had success with the system!
Do people suggest the new pm book with the gastric band?
Looking forward to getting to know you all smile

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Sat 02-Feb-13 12:57:48

Hi all

Jan is over and I'm back. Except I left my iPod in work so no meditation for me this weekend.

Have decided I need to somehow be more active in day to day life but that means getting up earlier to walk from the station to work. Good luck to me [shocked]

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Sat 02-Feb-13 12:58:11

Hi cupcake

<waves>

chinhealer Sat 02-Feb-13 15:42:14

Hi Cupcake (can I call you Cuppy?)
I would suggest giving PM's I Can Make You Thin and his Four Golden Rules as explained in his Gastric Band book a good go for a decent amount of time first. (A month or two?) But you absolutely HAVE to follow the four rules to the letter. And it is essential that you eat away from the TV, reading material, radio and all other distractions. (Including friends and family if at all possible. Or, if others are present, please keep conversation to an absolute minimum. Only then can you truly focus on your food and the signals your body is trying to give to you.) In fact, PM says himself in Gastric Band that if you are unwilling to give up TV when eating, he can't help you! I totally understand, now, why he is so uncompromising on that point.

See how you progress without the gastric band first. I reckon that, with most people, the Four Golden Rules are all that is needed to absolutely transform your relationship with food. I know that's what happened with me two weeks ago.

And I'm beginning to understand why PM is so against the entire diet industry. For the vast majority of people, dieting - in whatever shape or form - does not work in the long-run. Mostly because most people cannot sustain a diet for an entire lifetime and because diets encourage neuroses about certain foods or food groups! But his Four Golden Rules are totally sustainable throughout one's life! And you don't need to deprive yourself of anything. No food is forbidden. I love that aspect of it all!

chinhealer Sat 02-Feb-13 15:45:23

@awsangel - you deserve to be on some sort of honours list for breastfeeding for so long!

And HavingALittleFaithBaby's insights are very interesting too.

Solo Sat 02-Feb-13 15:51:26

Boo!! hello all! I'm home for the weekend! crap access to the internet in Rugby, so I've given up trying tbh!

Good news is that I've lost a further 1.5lbs, so another 2lbs and I'm back to 2stones off!! and much nearer to being 12 stone something!

Hello to any new Paulers and to all the regulars.
I am not even going to attempt reading through the bits I've missed because I have so much to get done before driving back up there tomorrow <sigh>
3 cooked meals a day available to me there, but I'm being very sensible and eating normally....seems to be the right thing to do eh?!

Hope to catch up again soon smile

Dottiespots Sat 02-Feb-13 17:21:51

Hi Everyone....Cupcake.....I would just read the oringinal I Can Make You Thin book with cd and poss. 90 day journal if you want. The gastric band actually goes against PM original thoughts. He did disagree with hypnotic bands orginally but seems to have jumped on the band wagon with that one and "sold his soul" lol but he also says somewhere that the "band" does not address the underlying issues with disordered eating which ICMYT does.
As Chin says.....all you really need are the four basic rules....the rest is really up to you. But it is a case that you have to really really concentrate when eating till it becomes second nature.
Chin....thanks for the proposed award grin .
Solo.....Hi.....what do you do away in Rugby ?( being nosy)
Faith......ooooo your date is getting closer and closer. How you feeling.?
Doctrin......Im glad Feb. is here to and the days are getting longer and lighter. Hows the weight going?

Dottiespots Sat 02-Feb-13 20:12:12

Hey Cupcake.....its meeeee!!!!!

Cupcake1982 Sat 02-Feb-13 21:29:36

awsangel that just made me laugh! I nearly spat my wine all over my lap top!! smile

Cupcake1982 Sat 02-Feb-13 21:31:04

Thanks for the lovely welcome ladies and chinhealer cuppy is fine smile x

Dottiespots Sat 02-Feb-13 21:44:46

O dear....hope lappy is ok.

Dottiespots Sat 02-Feb-13 21:48:27

You know you said you have been on loads of diets and yet are now even heavier.....well I dont believe in diets. I know deep down that they dont work and that they are just money making companies. You need to find something that you can do for life. If for instance you had lost all your weight and were the weight you wanted to be, how would you continue to keep your weight stable? If you had been on a "diet" then you would probably find yourself binging on all the food that you couldnt eat freely before and before you know it you are back to gaining the weight again. So......if you lost the weight with PM and were the weight you wanted to be and didnt want to regain then eating mindfully as you have done would be the only way to keep it off wouldnt it?

Solo Sun 03-Feb-13 01:02:26

Retraining to do my job!

Divster Sun 03-Feb-13 10:59:07

awsangel I was wondering why you suggest the first icmys book? He has updated the 4 times since the first one, just wanted to know your thoughts please smile

Dottiespots Sun 03-Feb-13 13:49:04

Divster....sorry no