to want someone to design a pram frame for larger car seats?

(51 Posts)
bubblesinthesky Fri 03-May-13 09:45:20

DS has just grown out of his travel system.

I do not drive (for medical reasons) so use a lot of taxis. While we had the travel system that was fine. I could simply click the car seat into the frame and get on with my day.

Now I have to bring the pram with a seat on it and then bring the car seat with me too. Easier said than done.

No where can I find a system designed to take a larger car seat. If I ask people look at me as if I'm mad. One shop assistant even told me to leave the car seat in the car - not so simple when you dont have one.

I know that I'm probably one of a significant minority who does not drive but does use a lot of taxis but I can not be the only one. AIBU?

thistlelicker Fri 03-May-13 09:47:34

Why do u need to have car seat too? Taxi are exempt from car seat law just case u was t aware?

Katienana Fri 03-May-13 09:47:52

Yanbu, I can see how that would come in handy in your situation. Could you get a black b cab and keep baby strapped into pram?

Book a taxi that has car seats available? I know some firms do.

BrianButterfield Fri 03-May-13 09:49:54

I wish this existed too! I commute by train with ds and have a mile walk to nursery - it's fine but on rainy or snowy days some colleagues have passed me and wanted to offer a lift but couldn't because of the car seat thing. It would be handy if in a pinch you could use the pushchair seat in a car.

I sympathise with your predicament but car seats are not designed for long periods. They are optimised for saving life and limb in an accident. IMHO it would be irresponsible of manufacturers to encourage further the use of systems that keep children in car seats for hours on end, rather than carrycots, prams, buggy seats, etc (or slings or arms).

If you use taxis so often, could you get the taxi firm to look after the carseat while you are out? And are buses/trains/trams/tubes out of the question?

gordyslovesheep Fri 03-May-13 09:53:44

I get your point but I really hate seeing car seats used for long periods rather than a buggy or pram - it must be uncomfortable

There should be a safe, portable option - can you not put a seat under the pram? I imagine it would be too big

What about something like this

DeWe Fri 03-May-13 10:00:23

Someone I knew had a second stage (forward facing) car seat that had a handle to pull up at the back, and wheels that popped out so you could push it.
It was about 10 years ago, so don't know if they still do them.

Lilicat1013 Fri 03-May-13 10:59:53

Trunki do a car seat that can be worn as a backpack, it is for children aged four and up though so not helpful right now but maybe for the future.

I don't think there is any good option between the infant capsule seats and the high back booster seat designed for older children that is easily portable. I have looked in to it myself.

MortifiedAdams Fri 03-May-13 11:02:46

thistle they may be exempt from law but they arent exempt from accidents.

Lilicat1013 Fri 03-May-13 11:03:17

By the way, the link Freddie gave directly above my post for a wheeled board and handle allowing you to pull the car seat can be purchased from Amazon.com and they will sent to the UK.

So if you were interested in that one it is possible to get it.

Booyhoo Fri 03-May-13 11:07:53

OP i am totally with you.

and i cant see why being in a buggy for an hour would be any more uncomfortable than being in a car seat for an hour- tehre isn't much difference in comfort IMO.

but yes OP i dont see why a carseat cant be designed that easily converts to a pushchair.

i saw the thing DeWe mentioned on 'good luck charlie' once and whilst it looked really handy the seat was very low on the ground which sort of put me off it. but i'm sure something can be designed that is both safe for car travelling and comfortable for prolonged use when being pushed along the street.

Iggi101 Fri 03-May-13 11:08:50

The next stage up carseats usually take a bit longer to fit in the car - most people (other than in op's situation) would just not want to take them out/in regularly. I'd worry they might not be properly fitted in that case, as they are always telling us most carseats are incorrectly fitted.
Are the taxis you use the black cab kind? Because if so you could keep the lo in the pram inside it, maybe they can be secured using the wheelchair straps or even if not might afford some protection.

Booyhoo Fri 03-May-13 11:10:35

yes the thing freddie linked to is what i saw!

Booyhoo Fri 03-May-13 11:13:28

btw- is DS definitely too big for the infant seat? i know some people think their dcs are too old for them without realising they still have a few more inches to go.

Booyhoo - because the spine is held in an unnatural position. Like I say, optimised for survival in crash, not for long rests.

Long periods spent in car seats put unnecessary pressure on the wrong bits of the spine, and have also been linked to apnoea and tracheal restriction.

It isn't about comfort, but safety.

Booyhoo Fri 03-May-13 11:18:27

i have to say my ds doesn't seem to be in a much different position when he's in his puchchair compared to his car seat. it loks pretty much teh same.

oldnewmummy Fri 03-May-13 11:28:30

Google "sit n stroll". It's a forward facing car seat with pop out wheels and handle (similar to one of the ones above). We had one when we lived in Singapore and it was fantastic.

Fuckwittery Fri 03-May-13 15:48:42

Harry - isn't that research for infant car seats? My 3 year old doesn't look very restricted in her stage 1 car seat, I understand babies being crunched up.

I understood we were talking about a child under one.

I don't find car seats as comfortable as a sofa, do you?

GhoulWithADragonTattoo Fri 03-May-13 16:25:12

How old is your DS and what weight is he? There must be a reasonably portable option for him...

Horry - if he's grown out of his travel system then surely he's at least a year? Given that they usually fit to 12-15 months?

Or have things changed that much?

Iggi101 Fri 03-May-13 16:31:55

Oldnewmummy that's a really interesting product, have never seen one in use in uk (though I see they can be bought via ebay). Would solve OP's problem surely.

3MonthMaid Fri 03-May-13 16:56:46

The orbit takes a next stage car seat. May still be US only though

Mine grew out by 7m (too tall, though not too heavy) so we had to find a suitable RF solution.

Stewdent Fri 03-May-13 17:09:58

My DD outgrew her first car seat at 8 months and we moved her to ERF. She's 99th centile for height & weight. My friend's 16 month old still fits in the same seat and will do for several months yet as she's a petite wee thing.

Booyhoo Fri 03-May-13 17:29:17

"I don't find car seats as comfortable as a sofa, do you?"

i dont often sit in a car seat, but i imagine a buggy wouldn't be as comfortable as a sofa either. very few seats are tbh.

Booyhoo Fri 03-May-13 17:32:26

i know my infant carrier was for up to 10kg although i have no clue what age that would be for most dcs. my dcs are quite slight wee things and ds2 at age 4 is 15kg.

bubblesinthesky Fri 03-May-13 17:57:16

Thank you lots of options to look at. I will spend some time over the weekend I have to find a solution to this if I possibly can.

Fuckwittery Fri 03-May-13 18:02:23

I don't find a car as comfortable as a sofa, but I'm not sure a lightweight buggy such as a maclaren is either! Group 0+ car seats go up to 12-15 months so this is a toddler, I don't think the safety considerations do apply esp the sleep apnoea worries. I don't think a stage 1 car seat would be less comfy than a usual buggy. And I don't think they sell the group 0 car seats anymore (the ones that ended at 9 month i think) so guessing we are definitely talking about a toddler. Do you generally object to buggies per se Horry?

Are you saying that you carry two carseats? (the travel system one and the big one?). Because that is a bit stupid.

No, I love buggies.

I dislike car seats on wheels though. They have their uses, but "driving to the Trafford Centre then shopping for hours" isn't a good use.

Booyhoo Fri 03-May-13 18:07:16

what do you suggest visualise if OP wants her Ds to be safe in taxis but also transportable once out of the taxi?

yes she could leave the infant carrier at home and just put the baby in the seat part of the pushchair but it doesn't mean less carrying for her as she still needs the big car seat for the taxi.

Booyhoo Fri 03-May-13 18:09:26

i'm still sure this can be done. it really couldn't be that out of the realms of possibility to design travelsystems so they can take the second stage car seats. i mean travelsystems themselves only came about in recent years (10?) so i think it's only a matter of time before they invent the newest kind.

Upthread someone mentioned taxis that carry car seats. I think that's absolutely the best solution all round - properly fitted car seat that OP doesn't have to lug around with her, so she can use a buggy that best fits her and DS's needs.

Sarahplane Sat 04-May-13 01:37:27

I really wish someone would invent one too op. we don't drive either but having a travel system made going away anywhere a lot easier if we were going to need taxi's.

Iggi101 Sat 04-May-13 06:34:20

Will noone look up Oldnewmummy's suggestion? (Sit n Stroll). It has been invented.

Why not just put the baby in the buggy bit of the travel system, can't see why she's putting him in the travel system car seat if he's actually too big for it to be used safely in a car any way?

Agree that it's a pain to carry a carseat that it big enough and doesn't fit the system, but why take the smaller one??

DoJo Sat 04-May-13 12:44:09

Horry Do you have any links to research? Only I have heard this mentioned several times (including by my health visitor) but nobody has ever actually produced any research, and I've been unable to find any myself. If you can point me in the right direction, I would be very grateful.

I did look at the sit n stroll. It has terrible reviews here

DoJo - there have been cases of babies dying when strapped into their car seats because their chin is often tucked into their chest so breathing is restricted.

There's an article here : news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1526517.stm (granted, it's from 2001, but shows some research has been done).

and here : www.dbh.nhs.uk/Car_seat_awareness.aspx

Sorry DoJo I looked into it five years ago when expecting DC1 and was thoroughly frightened into doing things "properly", so I don't still have any links now.

I also learned about "internal decapitation" which put me on to rear-facing beyond the infant carrier. Do Not Google.

Hope Visualise 's link is useful.

Cloverer Sat 04-May-13 15:47:35

I kept DS in his infant seat until 18 months for just this reason! Unfortunately his head was at the top of the seat by then.

Depending on the situation since then, we have sometimes lugged the big seat with us, sometimes used the taxis (very battered) seat, and since 2ish sometimes used a trunki booster seat. None of those options are entirely satisfactory though.

bubblesinthesky Sat 04-May-13 22:06:24

Sorry I was perhaps not clear in my OP.

When I say the pram with a seat I mean the seat that goes with the travel system not the car seat itself as that would just be silly.

DS is 99th centile for weight and height and the top of his head is over the top of the infant car seat

I found the Orbit sadly it is only US. Its expensive too even if I can manage to get one over here. Good to know that someone has actually designed one though even if I can't get hold of it. I'm goign to look at the rest of the options in a bit.

Thanks again

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved Tue 14-May-13 00:42:32

I use a Kiddy Energy Pro which is light but safe portable - ish car seat for 9mths - 4 yrs.

Alot of taxi company's are stopping providing their own child seats, so better to have your own. I did keep my carseat at a taxi company but it was broken next time I used it suggesting they'd either used it themselves or dropped it / stored it where it could be damaged... Not exactly a safe option.

I also went through all the options out there when ds got too big for his first car seat. It's a nightmare really!

soapnuts Tue 14-May-13 00:56:54

I was really tempted to try and get an orbit when DS1 was a bit smaller - am very glad he's coming up to the magic age of 4 where I can put him in a booster without too much guilt!

We travel a lot so had to use taxis a fair bit when he was smaller and we found a car seat (admittedly an american one as we're not in UK but in case it's useful if was an Evenflo Triumph) that "fits" (though of course wasn't meant to!) on the seat of our bugaboo bee and we then strapped it on with an adjustable luggage strap and strapped DS into the car seat - maybe not the safest option for when he's been pushed around in the pushchair (though I was pretty sure it couldn't fall off) but I figured he was more at risk of serious harm in the car than when walking around (and if he fell off he'd still be strapped into the car seat!). It did make the buggy a bit bulky and we got some strange looks but it worked for us better than not having a proper car seat in the car on the way there.

I feel your pain though - I spent so long looking for one when DS outgrew his infant carrier - i'm sure they're going to become standard one day!

dangly131 Tue 14-May-13 07:21:39

www.orbitbaby.com/en/products/toddler-car-seat-g2/
www.orbitbaby.com/en/products/travel-collection/
this has both a baby car seat attachment, toddler car seat attachment and a normal buggy attachment plus it turns 360 for ease of access when in cars etc.

Bobyan Tue 14-May-13 17:08:05

And its not available in the uk...

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