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AIBU?

to be considering moving away specifically to block contact?

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PeppaPug · 02/09/2014 22:12

DD is 6. ExH has a total disregard for her wellbeing in my opinion but it seems that until she comes to real harm, there's nothing I can do about it. For example:

He lets her play on the street unsupervised

He leaves her at home and in public alone

He's been informed she's slightly overweight so needs to watch her diet. Instead, he challenges her to eat more to the point she has diarrhoea or is sick.

She has three weak teeth that she's been having varnished regularly to try and prevent fillings. He's been told by me and the dentist that she needs to watch her diet and brush properly on several occasions. Still, he gives her access to unlimited fizzy drinks, cakes, sweets etc and doesn'tenencourage her to brush her teeth. Today, the dentist said she's held off as long as possible but fillings are going to be necessary. DD is terrified Sad

Most seriously of all, his girlfriend has a relation (not her son) who is 12. DD is left to play unsupervised with him and his friends and has repeated swear words, wanking and tits over the last few weeks, as well as hinting they bully her by saying they challenge her to do things (I.e. Climb a tree/go in a cupboard) then leave her stuck and laugh. She also has 'sleepovers' with the boy in the same room and bed, being left alone to watch 12/15 certificate films which then give DD nightmares for weeks afterwards. ExH strongly disagrees that it's inappropriate that they share a bed, even though the boy is obviously approaching puberty.

I rang childrens services for advice because after I last spoke to exH about them sharing a bed and DD being left unsupervised, he told her to keep everything that happens at contact a secret. Their advice was pretty much that unless she comes to harm, the above concerns are mine only and it's his prerogative to make those decisions for DD while she's in his care.

I really do feel that contact holds no benefit for her whatsoever - she's left alone/with the older boys/watching films the entire time - and that all it does is put her welfare at risk. AIBU to feel the only solution is to move away?

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hamptoncourt · 02/09/2014 22:19

If you move away will he have her overnight even more/for longer periods or do you think he will just "give up" on contact?

I can understand your concerns but you need to think this through.

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Notacs · 02/09/2014 22:23

I can sympathise with how helpless you must feel.

I'd certainly be tempted but do you have ties to the area?

Would he follow her/demand contact? Or do you think he would just leave it?

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PeppaPug · 02/09/2014 22:23

I don't think he'd give up. He told me when I left him he'd always be able to get at me via DD and 6 years on he remains true to his word Sad At least if I was far enough away that it reduced contact, it'd be an improvement.

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PeppaPug · 02/09/2014 22:24

My sister lives three hours away. We aren't close but it could be a good excuse.

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AskBasil · 02/09/2014 22:25

I would get back on to SS again and ask them to put in writing that they have no concerns about a six year old sharing a bed with a boy about to hit puberty.

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Notacs · 02/09/2014 22:26

Hideous situation! It sounds like it's you he wants to get at rather than any actual interest in DD?

I honestly don't know. I wish I did! I really wish I could help.

But ... YANBU to consider moving away, whether it would help ... I just don't know.

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AskBasil · 02/09/2014 22:26

A boy moreover, who has a history of bullying her and repeating language that normal 12 year old boys KNOW is inappropriate around 6 year olds.

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LatteLoverLovesLattes · 02/09/2014 22:31

I would move. A very long way away. NZ is lovely. Seriously I would move as far away from him as I possibly could. Yes, you could complain to SS, go through the court system - but frankly, it's all a bit shit and they will do jack all until you can prove 'harm' and by then it's too bloody late isn't it :(

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youmakemydreams · 02/09/2014 22:34

I would be tempted I know that for sure.
If you stopped contact would he take you to court? I discussed at length stopping contact with my solicitor and my reasons are not as strong as yours and he reminded me that I can stop contact and the onus is on my ex to instigate court proceedings to obtain contact (he wouldn't)
Even if he would I'd be tempted to stop and let him take me to court if I was you. Some of these issues are really serious. Do you document all these issues in a diary or anything. If not start so you have a record of them all and the regularity and if he will not improve and if you Brie e no contact is in your child's best interests stop contact.

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PeppaPug · 02/09/2014 22:35

I don't think it's necessarily the boy himself using the language/bullying DD. I suspect he gets stick from his friends for having a 6 yr old hanging around him and so when they're mean to her he doesn't feel he can stick up for her. She tries to pass it off as 'playing' but they've left her stuck in a tree, put something against a cupboard so she couldn't get out, encouraged her to go for a ride in a wheelie bin then rolled it down a hill...and these are only a few occasions I know of before exH told her to start keeping everything a secret.

SS and exH both say the boy seems immature for his age which makes bed sharing ok Hmm Immature or not, he can't control his body and when he begins getting wet dreams and erections and the children shouldn't be put in that position in my opinion.

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Pippin8 · 02/09/2014 23:27

I wouldn't want my 6 yr old daughter sharing a bed with a 12 year old boy, immature or not. No way. Not at all.

I would want the current contact arrangements stopped, but I don't think moving is the answer. Also, you have to think of your dd & how she'll feel if she suddenly stops seeing her father. Supervised contact may be the way forward, but I don't know how you'd go about sorting that without going through the courts.

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worridmum · 02/09/2014 23:32

A word of warning you move to new zealand or any other far flung place and you will be expected to actully pay for conatact and he could possibly have them as much as the entire summer and altitive chirstmas / easter holidays (bitter knowlegde) and as it was you moving away you will be expected to actully bear the finacal burden of allowing contact be that court ordered paying for flights or even massive deductions from child maintance to pay in reconization that hes having to pay for contact.

Oh and if he doesnt agree to let you emigrate it could cost you 10,000s of thousands of pound and could take up to two years in the courts to allow you to go (and it is not a gurentee that the counts will grant you premission and they would certinly denied it if they belive the motive to moving is primaily to obstuct contact....)

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londonrach · 02/09/2014 23:35

Shocked. A 12 year boy with history of bulling sharing a bed with a 6 year old girl. Move away as someone suggested nz is nice. What your dd say about this.

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PeppaPug · 02/09/2014 23:42

She feels resigned that contact isn't optional so makes the best of it - I.e. Eating junk and watching films like she doesn't get to here. She is a talented gymnast but feels like not bothering with it anymore because he won't let her compete on 'his' weekends. I think she'd be relieved if she didn't have to go anymore to be honest but is torn and loyal because she loves his family.

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wheresthelight · 03/09/2014 08:26

I think you need to seek legal advice.

refusing contact and moving away in order to prevent it will almost certainly wind you up in hot water.

keep complaining to SS and as the other poster said get it in writing - in fact get the name of the person you speak to who says all this crap and the name of their manager and write to them about it.

get your dentist to write to him rather than you passing on messages or get exh to take her for her fillings.

you need to remain whiter than white unfortunately so you need to be seem to be doing it all right.

put your concerns to him in writing also and refuse to engage unless he responds in writing. you need to build up evidence of his abuse because that's what it is.

good luck

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Aeroflotgirl · 03/09/2014 08:36

My goodness this is wrong on so many levels, he is exposing a vulnerable child to harm and SS are doing nothing about it. Leaving a young chikd alone in the house and in public is neglect. Allowing his chikd to share a bed with a 12 year old boy in unacceptable! I would contact the head of chikdrens services, Police and NSPCC. They want her to get hurt first before they act Shock, are they not supposed to prevent harm! I can see things still haven't improved within SS since High profile child deaths have happened. Also he is low level neglecting her, allowing her to eat crap to the point her health is becoming effected (teeth, she has diarohea and us sick), can't the HCP involved imput to SS! This cannot go on.

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Aeroflotgirl · 03/09/2014 08:38

I agree where's the light you need to build up evidence, yes seek legal advice. Keep on at SS, and get HCP to write to them with their concerns, Dr, Dentist etc

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Aeroflotgirl · 03/09/2014 08:41

No it's not ok, it's neglect, this 12 year old boy is bullying dd, and where is dad! Nowhere gosh he is down there at the bottom with the gutter dads.

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roamer2 · 03/09/2014 10:48

Could block overnight contact until you know she has her own bedroom? - i.e. on grounds of unsuitable accommodation for overnight visits

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PeppaPug · 04/09/2014 03:34

She has her own bedroom roamer, this boy doesn't live there but is staying over regularly. Both SS and the GP said its DD who needs to realise that eating crap gives her tummy ache/makes her sick/have diarrhoea and stop doing so Hmm and that it's dad's prerogative to treat her during his time. I really don't see that food should be a treat, especially when it's negatively affecting her health. Similarly, the films he lets her watch that give her nightmares everynight for me to deal with and leave her worn out for school, are his choice even though it adversely affects her.

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deakymom · 04/09/2014 03:53

it is typical in our society that we are told a child must come to harm before something is done although people do complain about this so called nanny state we live in i've never seen the evidence

change your GP if he/she thinks a 6 year old should be responsible for their own food choices it implies the child has a choice i'm assuming the child is only given one eat or starve this is child abuse not dads prerogative

the dentist needs to tell him herself what he is doing so she needs to write him a lot of letters in the interests of full disclosure about his child's needs of course

she is old enough to tell him about the films she can throw a tantrum about it and refuse to watch them

locking her in a cupboard and rolling her down a hill in a bin is abuse you need to speak to someone again about this are they taking the piss saying its fine till she gets hurt?

sharing a bed is unacceptable if SS think it is tell them its not acceptable to you if they say its dads prerogative ask for it in writing they hate paper trails that can bite them in the ass

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deakymom · 04/09/2014 03:54

i do know how you feel my dd was groomed but because he didn't rape her ss wouldnt get involved although apparently they thought there was more to it than what they saw they just left us to it gits

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Aeroflotgirl · 04/09/2014 15:37

A 6 year old cannot be fully responsible for what they eat, that's the parents responsibility. They are trying to put the blame on the child, absolutely disgusting. Ss chikd protection need to be overhauled.

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Aeroflotgirl · 04/09/2014 15:56

Definitely contact NSPCC the bed sharing, bullying by the older kids is not on. It's neglect!

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