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AIBU?

who is BU, my mom or my dad?

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CheerfulYank · 01/08/2014 19:53

Here's the story.

My parents are 54. (Well, my mom is. My dad will be in September but early on began saying he was whatever age my mom was after her birthday in March because she didn't like to feel "older" :o)

They got married at 18 and have two DC, my twat of an older brother, and me.

We live in Minnesota in the US. My paternal grandmother is originally from here, but moved to a different state when she was 20, met my grandfather, had my dad and his siblings. She brought my dad and his siblings to Minnesota on holidays when they were children and my dad always loved it, the forests and lakes etc.

He grew up and married my mother, who had always lived in this other state, as did all her family. We lived there until I was 8, when my Dad convinced my mother to move us all to Minnesota as he had always wanted. (Not just Minnesota, but a very specific small town in Minnesota that he loved.)

My mother...hated it. She is much more social than Dad and missed her family, who now lived a thousand miles away. She told him she would give it a decade as my brother and I would both be out of school by then. That was 24 years ago.

They bought a century old log house on 11 acres next to a river and worked on making it their dream home. I am biased of course as I grew up there, but it is gorgeous now. :) They did all the work themselves and turned it from a place with no running water or electricity into a house that an editor offered to feature in a magazine.

My dad loves it. It is all he's ever wanted and he feels settled there. He is very happy with his wood stove and his books in the winter, and his fishing boat in the summer. He doesn't like people (well, individually he does, but not crowds) or traffic. He has good friends in the small town as well.

My mother doesn't love it (especially the six months of snow) but she does like the house and land, and has some good friends too.

The only fly in the ointment is...me. I now live five hour's drive away with DH and our two DC.

My brother isn't likely to have children (at least not on purpose) so wherever I live is where my parents' only GC will be.

My mother hates living so far away. She and my dad do see the DC every month or so. They come to us more often than we go to them (DH can't often get away and I don't drive) and DD is 14 months and still has a hard time on long car journeys. I think she's been to theirs about 4 times...maybe three?

Anyway, this contact is enough for my father and for me too, but it is not for my mother. She wants to be able to be really involved with my DC, to be able to attend more school things, have them over on a whim, etc. That is the way things are with my PIL, who live about 15 minutes away.

Added to which, my mom would just like to leave the small town and have more to do in general. She's, again, much more social than my father in terms of wanting to go to different restaurants and shops and the cinema and all of that, none of which are really available close to them.

Both of them can work anywhere. My mom runs an Etsy shop where she sells vintage stuff and architectural salvages and things like that. My dad...well, it's hard to explain what he does but he has his own workshop and could work out of any large shed or garage.

I have told them I'm going to learn to drive and will bring the DC to see them more, but it's hard as DS is in school. I did take them for a week this summer and then another long weekend, but with DS's activities it's hard. When we go we stay in a cabin belonging to my dad's side of the family. If they moved, the cabin would still be an option for my dad...he could go stay there and fish with his friends, etc.

So. My mom wants to move closer to me and the DC, and just to be closer to a city and more things to do while she's young enough to enjoy them. My dad wants to stay right where he is, in the home he's worked so hard on, in the town he's always wanted to live in.

It's so hard because there's really no compromise. One will get his/her way and the other won't.

Sorry for the novel! Also in sort of feel that neither of them is BU as such, but it's on my mind and I'm bored so...in your view, who is BU? :)

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KnackeredMuchly · 01/08/2014 20:09

Your Dad is BU. He promised living there was long term but finite, your Mum tried her best building a beautiful home but is still not settled. I think it's her turn now.

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Icelollycraving · 01/08/2014 20:16

Oh my goodness,tricky. Could your mum have an apartment near you that she stays in for 10 days every month? Expensive I know but she could see if she enjoys a busier environment now. Imagine if she didn't & they sold their beautiful home.

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PleaseJustShootMeNow · 01/08/2014 20:19

I don't think either ABU. They just have different ideas of where they want to be.

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NynaevesSister · 01/08/2014 20:21

Your dad has had his way all this time. It is only fair that your mum gets her chance now. It is even easier on your dad in that it is just a five hour journey. He can still return frequently and stay in the cabin. They could also buy a small place near you and their own, smaller cabin.

I think your dad is BU. It's your mum's turn.

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HappyAgainOneDay · 01/08/2014 20:21

I would ignore the situation and keep things as they are. The problem is between your parents and no one else.

My DD lives 6000 miles away and I see him and his little boys once a year when I visit them. Being 5 hours away is nothing for you to worry about.

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CheerfulYank · 01/08/2014 20:22

Knackered that is sort of my feeling too. I'm sad for my dad but he's gotten what he loves for almost 25 years.

IceLolly they can't really afford that. It's been brought up.

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CheerfulYank · 01/08/2014 20:25

Happy I'm not really "involved" so to speak. Its just sort of reaching a boiling point between them now (according to my mom).

It's not something I have any say over or anything like that! It's just a tricky situation that was on my mind. :)

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scarletoconnor · 01/08/2014 20:38

Would there be an option for your mum to rent / buy a small apartment near you and come maybe 1 week a month?

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Bproud · 01/08/2014 20:38

How about house swaps? could you find someone in your city who wants a holiday home in their area and they agree to swap homes for a few weeks per year? Dad could move out to the smaller lodge for the duration of the swap if he doesn't want to come with Mom...

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RiverTam · 01/08/2014 20:44

someone I know has parents who live apart in the week and together at the weekend, taking it in turns to stay in the city or the countryside. Seems a very good plan and works for them.

Could something like this work for your parents?

I don't think this should be that one is U and the other isn't, or that your dad's got his own way and now it's your mum's turn (if your mum hasn't been that happy, would she really wish that on your dad, just to play tit-for-tat?).

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MidniteScribbler · 01/08/2014 23:19

To put another slant on things, how will you feel if they do sell up and move and may potentially be living in your pocket? Will your mother be expecting to be visiting every day? How will your DH feel about them being around a lot more? Does your father think that you will be expecting them to babysit for you and doesn't want to be that involved?

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AgentZigzag · 01/08/2014 23:43

I know you've said you're not 'involved' involved, but I would try and distance myself even more from it, nothing good will ever come of trying to make the peace between them or trying and get one side to see the other.

Let them work it out on their own, sympathise when you can't get out of it, but don't say anything one way or the other.

I would even go as far as to say you should lightheartedly (but firmly) brush it off, holding your hands up 'ach, I'm not getting involved Grin'

I'm probably just projecting my own experiences, but such a fundamental difference in what they want out of the rest of their lives could go nuclear if they can't come to a compromise, and you don't want you and your DC to be drawn into the middle of that more than you have to.

Your OP sounds great though, log cabins, long snowy winters, wide open spaces, you're very lucky Smile

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sashh · 01/08/2014 23:58

How about you get your license and you and mum buy a camper van between you.

Your mum can use it as an apartment near you when you want, you can both use it to go to your parents - much easier to travel with a child when you can pull over and make a snack or let them nap.

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CheerfulYank · 02/08/2014 00:00

They won't be looking in our town in particular, Midnight. My mom does want to be less than an hour away, though. I have had reservations about it as we are very different (I'm much more lazy relaxed) and frankly the distance we have now suits me fine.

We do get along well though, and she and the DC adore each other.

The thing about going to see them, or them buying a vacation home near us, is that it isn't really what she wants.

She wants the type of relationship with the DC that is more like what my PIL have...they have DS and his two cousins every Wednesday (their decision) after school and we pop by for a bit most weekends. They're always there to pick up the DC from swimming lessons in a pinch, or watch them if DH and I ask. My mother wants to do those things too, and be able to just have the DC sleep over on a whim, like I did with my grandparents before we moved when I was little.

In think the reason it's all coming to a head now is that DS just (in May) finished kindergarten, his first year of formal schooling. They didn't see him as much because he was in school, and so also haven't seen DD as much as they did DS when he was small. My mom remarks often that DD "barely knows us".

I don't think my dad thinks he'd be babysitting all the time. DH and I don't really leave them often and his parents and sister are always willing to keep them when we do, so any babysitting that would be needed would be spread out a bit.

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CheerfulYank · 02/08/2014 00:02

That's good advice Agent :) And yes, it was a beautiful place to grow up!

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CheerfulYank · 02/08/2014 00:09

Also my mother hasn't seen any of her family (siblings and their children) in over seven years, since her father's funeral. They haven't really put in any effort in all the years we've been here; I don't really have a relationship with my aunts and uncles and cousins on that side at all.

I think she really is...lonely. I think she wants to be close to the family she has.

Also (forgot to put this in my OP, didn't mean to drip feed) she does have health issues. She has a badly arthritic knee, and depending on how long it's been since her last injection, drives of more than a few hours can be hard for her. She suffers from chronic migraines too. Some days are great and others aren't. It makes it hard for her to plan trips to see us in advance
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WhereYouLeftIt · 02/08/2014 00:10

Your mum has compromised for a long long time, putting her wishes below everyone else's. I really think it's your father's turn to give.

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MidniteScribbler · 02/08/2014 07:00

I think to me that it does come to the fact that they made an agreement to stay in a certain place for a time then move. Your mother has probably been mentally counting down to when she can move, and now she's had the rug pulled out from under her. I can see why she's upset. Did your dad originally say they could move just to appease her and hope she would change her mind?

I have relatives in a similar situation, except they have no children. They are from different countries, married in her country, and they agreed that they would live there for ten years, then return to his home country, ten years there, then back to her country, etc. Nearly 30 years on, they've never moved, she's refusing to move away from her family, he's saying that he's been away from his family for all those years and she's not being fair to him. It's really close to splitting up their marriage, and I suspect that is where it is heading.

A deal is a deal. Your father has to either now do what he agreed to, or prepare that your mother may in fact end their marriage if she feels strongly enough.

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CheerfulYank · 02/08/2014 15:15

I don't know if he thought she was serious or not.

She was talking to me this morning about fixing up our basement to accommodate guests so...I don't know.

When they come see us they stay at a hotel because we don't really have room. I've offered our bed because I don't mind sleeping on the couch and DH can sleep with DS, but they won't.

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diddl · 02/08/2014 15:31

If you are happy with the contact, then there isn't any point in them being closer is there?

Ok, the travelling would be easier for everyone, but if contact isn't going to increase...?

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diddl · 02/08/2014 15:33

What I meant to say was that in a way it's two separate issues.

Your mum isn't happy where she is & wants to move.

She wants to be able to do what your ILs do-but you're OK with that not happening?

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Maryz · 02/08/2014 15:39

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MadameDefarge · 02/08/2014 15:42

firstly, how did I miss your dds arrival????

secondly, could they try renting or buying a small appartment near you and living there during the winter months?

It doe puzzle me that people don't get more creative about their living arrangments, especially after kids have left. A few months here, a few months there, a few months together, a few months apart...It doesn't have to be all or nothing...

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