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AIBU?

Or are they? Cause I got no idea anymore.

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CompletelyStumped · 25/07/2014 11:14

Ok NC for this, kind of sensitive topic and the amount I post it would definitely out me.

A bit of background info here - me and dc's father have been split for a few years, he was abusive, an alcoholic, on drugs and refused to work. Things got that bad that he doesn't actually know one of his children (split while pregnant and he's had no contact with them or me since.)

Dc are still toddlers, don't know their father and have never had a desire to know their father. But the past two weeks he has gotten in contact with me again. I received an email from him saying how he is clean of alcohol and drugs, he's going to counselling to deal with his anger and he's now working. He said how sorry he was for everything he had put me through, how he had no idea how to make it right but he hoped I had found some peace and happiness away from him. He said he knew it was too late for us to fix things but he needed to know if it was too late for him to have a relationship with his children.

And my first reaction was "you b***d, you put me through hell, put me in hospital, drank and smoked away their first years and you want to know them now?!? When we're finally happy and settled?!?" I might have cried a bit, might have wanted to chuck the computer out the window, might have swore blind that he'd never see his children so long as I lived. None of that I said to him though. Once I calmed down I began to think about it.

And finally I decided that if he really had changed, if he could prove he was able to be a decent dad and a decent human then who am I to say no? The children deserve a chance to know their father no matter what he had done in the past.

Eventually I emailed him back saying yes, but he had to take it slow. He's seemed keen, we've exchanged a couple of phone calls and he spoke with the children, he's being patient and understanding that I am not ready for the children to meet him yet, that I won't be ready for him to spend alone time with them for a while, that I need to trust him myself before I trust the children with him.

Except my family and friends (who know what he was like) are telling me I'm crazy, that I must have every screw loose to even consider letting him in their life and mine. I've had both friends and family threaten to turn their backs on me if I go ahead with it.

But surely if he's able to be a decent dad and make the kids happy, love them the way I do and not just in the flippant "oh, my kids I've a right to see them" way then what's the harm? Cause if he's really changed then it'll be me that's the one who deprived my dc of their father and that's not right.

So aibu or are they? Should I really give him a chance (and only one chance) or should I tell him he doesn't have a right? (I have full custody through courts btw, if that helps?)

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ElizabethMedora · 25/07/2014 11:20

I have no expertise or experience but I would say yes, give him one chance because people do/can get clean, IF you know you will be able to draw a line & say 'nope' if it isn't working & he is still an arse. If in your heart of hearts you know you wouldn't be able to do that I would think very carefully about it.

Also, dependent a bit on the age of the children & how they would manage his possible disappearance out of their lives again.

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TurboWithAKick · 25/07/2014 11:21

Time will tell

You say you want to take it slowly, but that's not happening. It's already progressed to phone calls.

It needs to be slower.... He needs to prove himself

Is he paying maintenence?
He could start with monthly letterbox contact
Then progress to phone calls

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TurboWithAKick · 25/07/2014 11:22

What is 'full custody through courts'?

Do you mean residency? How did it all get to court?

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FatalCabbage · 25/07/2014 11:22

Remember, he has no rights. The children OTOH have a right to know him if they like.

If he is serious about doing things properly, he will accept supervised contact. You could ask your HV for details of contact centres.

You have worked very hard to have a good life now, congratulations. I'm glad you have friends.and.family looking out for you.

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Crinkle77 · 25/07/2014 11:22

I would give him a chance and do you really want to deny your DC a chance to get to know their father? Perhaps you could meet him first before they do. Maybe the first time they meet him you don't have to tell them he is their father. He could just be a friend so if he does mess up they aren't too upset. Obviously it would have to be supervised access and perhaps someone neutral could be there with you.

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however · 25/07/2014 11:25

I think I'd have gone and spoken to his counsellor before instigating any kind of contact at all. If he was genuine he shouldn't have a problem with that. That way you could get it from the horse's mouth, so to speak. All you 'know' is what he's telling you.

Maybe kids do have a right to know their father no matter...etcetcetc. I don't really think a previously hideous and abusive parent has a right to know their children, though. I'm not sure I could get past a man violent enough to put me in hospital. It's such a big decision, I don't know what you should do. I know what I would do, but that's not really relevant.

I'd spend some time (a lot) with him, first, if I were even to consider it. I'd also not have instigated phone contact with the children yet. But that horse has bolted.

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MrsWinnibago · 25/07/2014 11:26

I think you're right to give him a chance. You are giving your children the chance of a relationship with their Dad and though it is a risk, you're right to take it.

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however · 25/07/2014 11:27

Oh, and I know this won't be popular, but I'd ensure he was up to date on any (or had made a significant contribution to) maintenance payments before seeing his children.

If he's genuine, if he does give a shit, then that shouldn't be an issue.

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Hassled · 25/07/2014 11:30

I think you're absolutely right to want to at least explore this, because if what he says is true then your children will get the chance to have a relationship with their father, which is very important.

Agree about seeing if you can speak to his counsellor, and agree that supervised contact is the way to go. And your friends and family's reaction is absolutely understandable - just make sure they realise you're not, at this stage, committing to anything yet.

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TurboWithAKick · 25/07/2014 11:31

I doubt a counsellor would be 'allowed' to discuss clients with other people

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however · 25/07/2014 11:33

Yes Turbo, when I said that he shouldn't have an issue with that, I meant that he would be fully aware and give permission, etc. I wasn't very clear.

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diddl · 25/07/2014 11:35

He was abusive & put you in hospital?

It would be a big "hell no" from me, I think.

It's easy to see where your family & friends are coming from.

It's also about what is best for your kids, not him.

Sounds as if things have moved fast tbh.

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ApocalypseThen · 25/07/2014 11:38

Have you asked him what he expects fr

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ApocalypseThen · 25/07/2014 11:39

..om this contact? Is it some kind of a finding himself task, is it supposed to promote his personal healing journey, or has he gotten over that stage if recovery?

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TurboWithAKick · 25/07/2014 11:44

Need to no more about the court stuff.... It went to court for a reason. SS might have info why he can't see those kids

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cheepsskram · 25/07/2014 11:47

From nothing to phone calls in two weeks sounds fat to me. I think you are right to give him a chance but i agree with those who are suggesting you speak to his counsellor and make sure he is paying maintenance regularly (not necessarily making it up to date of there are a lot of arrears but certainly a sensible amount and regular)

You sound very sensible and lovely.

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blueballoon79 · 25/07/2014 11:47

I have some experience of a similar (ish) situation with my son's Dad.
I left him when my son was very young. He was an abusive alcoholic.
He didn't see my son for years as he was still drinking all the time.
I got in touch with him when I heard he was ill from alcohol related diseases and had given up drinking.
My friends all thought I was crazy, but I wanted my son to know his Dad. His Dad was a good man when sober and I wanted my son to get to know him.
Everything went well and they tentatively built up a relationship together. I was always present and he never spent anytime with my son alone as I needed to build up trust in him.
Unfortunately our situation didn't end well as he was more ill from drinking than we had realised and he died.
I felt terrible for putting my son through all this distress and thought I'd made the wrong decision.
Years have passed now since his death and my son has told me he's so glad he got the chance to know his Dad before he died and that he wouldn't have it any other way. He told me he'd have found it harder if he'd died without knowing him.
So, I'd say, yes, give it a chance. People can change.

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Pyjamaramadrama · 25/07/2014 11:52

People can change. However as he was violent towards you I think that you are taking a huge risk by trying to handle this by yourself.

If I were you I would seek advice from your health visitor and social services. And I think it should all go through a third party/have a third party present.

Letterbox contact first so letters/photos/cards, if he can show commitment then progression to supervised contact.

IF he has truly changed then he won't have a problem with this.

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RiverTam · 25/07/2014 11:55

I may have this wrong but is he in AA? IIRC, one of the 12 steps is something to do with 'putting right past wrongs' or something along those lines. Could that be why he's back in touch?

Frankly, I don't think I could see anyone who had hospitalized me. It's not for you to enable his recovery after all that, to be frank.

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rinabean · 25/07/2014 12:00

He put you in hospital... people don't do that by mistake. You don't lose your temper and hospitalise someone. Someone he was supposed to love, someone he lived with, a member of his family, he put her in hospital. I don't care what people say about it being different if it's a partner or a child. They are people he's supposed to love, they are members of his family, they might live with him one day or at least be in his house. I think you're making a mistake. They don't deserve this. You said yourself they don't seem to miss him. This is all for his benefit. Why does he get everything all to his benefit after he hospitalises his children's mother?

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stagsden · 25/07/2014 12:07

You could ask him if it would be possible to attend one of his counselling sessions to talk it through (private counsellors allow that, dont know about nhs ones).

I think what a pp said about introducing him as a friend at first is better, then if things are going well and your more certain of a future for them with their dad, start calling him dad.

I think you'd be wrong not to at least explore the option of him re-entering the childrens lives - i think youve got to be careful and slow about it but if he really has got his life sorted it would unfair for your children not to have a dad.

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KnackeredMuchly · 25/07/2014 12:26

I think taking it slow and attending a counselling session is a great idea. If that goes well letters from him to the kids is a good first step.

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LittleMissCrankyPants · 25/07/2014 12:54

He sounds a lot like my husband in the first few years, he drank loads, and god knows what else. Didn't work. Didn't really care about us at all. One time he went out boxing day and didn't come back until new years day. He would often go for days on end. He was never violent though, but very aggressive and angry when drunk. I'm pleased to say he did change though. I was very close to leaving at that point. He's not had a drink for 7 years, has a pretty good job, we have our own house and car etc. Life is good. We also went on to have 2 more children which he did get to be a 'proper' dad to. So people can change. Give him just one chance? but take it very slow for the childrens sake. Hope it all works out for you all.

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CompletelyStumped · 25/07/2014 12:58

Ok firstly the court thing - yes I mean residency. It's called custody a lot in my area though so I tend to use that instead. It went to court because I work with a group called EVA (similar to womans aid). They provide support and counselling to women who've been through domestic violence and can also help with the legal side of things, in this case they told me it would be best if I went to court and gained residency as when I first fled him he still knew where I was and was threatening to kidnap dc. He didn't bother showing up to the hearings and I was granted full residency. There was no contact orders in place as the judge took his lack of appearance to mean he didn't want to see them.

About being hospitalised, I was left with a broken arm and fractured ribs, concussion and my back teeth shattered. It was after this I left him. It has taken me three and a half years working with EVA, womans aid and my own private counsellor to move on with my life, to stop the constant anxiety and panic attacks and to beat depression so please do understand that even agreeing to speaking to him on the phone was an incredibly difficult decision to make.

In regards to the phone calls, I wanted to make sure he was sober without having to meet him. If he had been drunk or on drugs when I called that would have been the end of it and it was better to find out now if he was clean than later iyswim? Children talked to him once on the phone as they had been up past bedtime and tend to try and take the phone away from me.

If I was to meet him then it would be public and with someone else with me. As it stands just now though I'm not sure if I could personally meet him, tbh I still feel scared. I think the suggestions about contact centres and social work are a good idea though, thanks :)

I'm not sure if he's in the AA or not, all I actually know is that he's receiving counselling for his anger, again if I had to ask to sit in on his session I would have to be near him and it's the whole not knowing if I can do that just yet situation again.

And please trust me, I know more than anyone what he has done and how he treated me (and children by proxy) is so wrong and so horrible, if he wasn't the children's father I would never even consider re establishing contact with him. He put me through years of hell, destroyed my mental health and nearly everything in my life. I can't be in another relationship for fear it will end the same and trust is a massive issue for me.

But in the end this isn't about me, it's about my gorgeous children who at least deserve a chance to find out if he can be a good father. He may have put my through hell but my children shouldn't suffer for that.

Thank you all for your advice, there's been some great things to consider there and believe me I will be considering them Thanks

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saintlyjimjams · 25/07/2014 13:00

I think those saying take it very slowly indeed & initially have supervised contact are right. Get in touch with your health visitor and look to access via a contact centre.

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