Claimants to lose DLA even if FALSELY accused of fraud (to think this is HIGHLY unreasonable.)

(128 Posts)
Darkesteyes Wed 23-Oct-13 18:07:04

How can this even be legal. To stop a claimants income just because some bastard has falsely accused them.
In every other instance in this country someone is presumed innocent until proven guilty
Except when it comes to benefits when you are guilty until proven innocent.
But NOW it seems that the innocent are STILL going to be treated like they are guilty. angry

benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2416-claimants-to-lose-dla-permanently-if-falsely-accused-of-fraud-dwp-decides

Dawndonnaagain Wed 23-Oct-13 21:13:00

Saucy The problem is wading through pages of repetative personal details. The problem is being without money for a long period of time. The problem is there is no innocent until proven guilty. The problem is the new rules are different and designed to ensure that 20%fewer people will be able to claim. They will still have the same disability but where they got mobility allowance before, the likelihood is, if they can manage in their own homes, to get to the bathroom, they will no longer be able to claim the mobility component. The problem is this government is penalising the poor and the disabled for being poor and disabled. The problem is this government.

sashh Wed 23-Oct-13 21:34:18

so I'm not sure why PIP would be worse than DLA - are the criteria more stringent?

They are different.

Also you have to make a claim, so yo have to fill in a long form and wait for a decision as to whether you qualify for PIP.

THEN you have to wait 3 months before you get a payment. It is not just swapping from one benefit to another.

tolittletoolate Wed 23-Oct-13 21:35:36

that site is good but they do like scaremongering, I don't believe it personally.

Itstartshere Wed 23-Oct-13 22:00:43

And isn't PIP going to be quite a lot less money than DLA?

tolittletoolate Wed 23-Oct-13 22:15:48

no pip is exactly the same amount of money as dla.

ParsingFright Wed 23-Oct-13 23:20:30

Why's that, tolittletoolate?

kotinka Wed 23-Oct-13 23:22:41

That's bloody disgraceful, I can't see how that's legal either Darkesteyes.

DoubleLifeIsForAnyFUCKER Wed 23-Oct-13 23:37:12

There are alot of things this government are doing which arent exactly legal / skirt the line.

If my dla was stopped I would become homeless at the end of the month, as I have to use part of it for rent as my disability wiped my earning power and am stuck in v unsuitable accommodation whilst waiting to be moved into more accessible place. Not what it's for but it's caused by my disability so all goes into the melting pot.

I use the rest to pay specialist carers who obviously can't work for free for the months I'd be without the rest of their income. Its taken me a year to find the right skillset snd match for me and i cant exactly lay them off then expect to rehire can i?

Without these carers my health would spiral out of control, I can't wash or eat without them, let alone move around my house, couldn't get prescriptions for vital medication.

However none of that would matter as I wouldn't be able to look after my little boy, so would top myself anyway, as he's the only reason I'm still here.

That's called REAL effects of government policies.

DoubleLifeIsForAnyFUCKER Wed 23-Oct-13 23:38:31

(thank fuck no one has reported me btw!) I will certainly not tell people I get it in the future, careless lips lose lives etc...

kotinka Wed 23-Oct-13 23:41:19

I can imagine this being misused to kick people off DLA and make them reclaim PIP without any genuine allegations being made.

GobbySadcaseFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 23:43:37

Well that's us fucked then. We already get at least 2 malicious reports a year. And yes I know exactly who's doing it - same person who reports us to RSPCA maliciously.

DoubleLifeIsForAnyFUCKER Wed 23-Oct-13 23:48:16

Does anyone know the stats on how many reports of fraud actually get upheld?

GobbySadcaseFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 23:53:39

0.7% including a margin for DWP payment error.

diaimchlo Wed 23-Oct-13 23:58:37

The sad fact is that people think that if a disability is not openly visible. They report someone who they know is in receipt of DLA/PIP but they saw him/her in their garden weeding (for example) they then report them without a thought that they may suffer severe Epilepsy or mental health issues that prevent them being able to live a "normal" life. For these people to be in receipt of this benefit they have had to have had evidence form the relevant health professionals, which in many cases lately has been proved to have been ignored by the DWP etc... so they would get their money stopped..

This is definitely another horrific attempt by this sadistic, self serving, moronic so called Government to demean the sick and disabled, whilst spitting their dummies out for a 11% pay rise and stupid expenses..... and please do remember that the leader of that Government was not backward at claiming DLA for his son when he could afford the best quality car out of his pocket change.....

OK off my soapbox now!

IneedAsockamnesty Thu 24-Oct-13 00:03:31

Those with children who qualify for DLA currently can stop worrying for the time being.

PIP is for over 16's so if you have a current long term award for DLA for a under 16 it will stay DLA until they hit 16.

Even with an allegation or change

GobbySadcaseFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 00:09:29

Diai I think I liiiike you wink

catloony Thu 24-Oct-13 02:11:14

I can believe this as I work in this area and although have no cases of this what has happened to people I work with. Was what happened is when older people who receive state pension who should never ever stop receiving for any ever as they are always still entitled to recevie this, have another benefit paid combined with it, either Attendance Allowance or Pension Credit or both, and i mean as only one lumped together weekly payment of multiple benefits including the state pension, when a stoppage of one benefit means all stop, suddenly I have known people to have nothing at all for weeks

DoubleLifeIsForAnyFUCKER Thu 24-Oct-13 02:24:24

Thanks for sharing that Gobby, really high then confused
Obviously informing on people isn't flawed in the slightest then either. Ffs. I hate feeling so persecuted by the government & society at large. It's disgusting.

songlark Thu 24-Oct-13 04:18:50

Encouraging malicious accusations from people who might just simply be bearing a grudge is disgusting. Very redolent of Gestapo tactics in ww2.

diaimchlo Thu 24-Oct-13 08:26:52

thankyou Gobby smile Great minds think alike smile

pixiepotter Thu 24-Oct-13 08:33:27

Is that not the case for all benefits? Don't they all stop whilst under investigation? (genuine question not rhetorical)

diaimchlo Thu 24-Oct-13 08:39:50

Double flowers

I personally can fully empathise with you, I do wonder how a supposedly intelligent, diverse and PC society can believe the twisted lies that certain Ministers put out in the media about the sick and disabled. They need to realise that they are only an accident or illness away from being in the same boat confused

Latara Thu 24-Oct-13 08:40:17

This is really worrying me as I'm not allowed to work full time due to my mental health problems; I get DLA for them and for epilepsy - and the DLA means I can 'top up' my income with WTC - i'm still struggling financially though.

It's worrying because I look and seem healthy and someone malicious could report me - i'm thinking of one colleague in particular who is a bitch... maybe i'm worrying for no good reason but losing DLA would wreck my life right now.

diaimchlo Thu 24-Oct-13 08:47:52

Latara

Please try not to worry, you are describing exactly what I posted further up.

What some stupid people do not understand is that DLA/PIP is a benefit in place to enable people such as yourself to be able to work and if you lose it you will cost the benefit system and taxpayers more through having to claim ESA......

Latara Thu 24-Oct-13 08:53:56

Thanks diaimchlo the problem is that certain people at work seem envious of the fact that I work less days a week (when the stress of work contributed to psychosis last year).

They have been asking how I cope which is a thinly veiled attempt to find out if i'm on benefits. I've admitted that I get benefits to a couple of friends there but I know how gossip spreads.
Hopefully most people like me and wouldn't be malicious but you never know.

Back to the OP, yes I think it should be innocent until proven guilty and people shouldn't lose benefits unless they've been found to be fraudulent.

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