Teacher's family accompanying school trip

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Trifle Thu 26-Sep-13 19:25:46

DS1 (age 13) went on a school trip today to the zoo. One of the 6 teachers accompanying the 104 children on the trip took his wife and two young children.

Does anyone know what the legal ratio of teachers to children is for this age?

I think it is highly unprofessional to do this as the teacher spent the majority of time with his family and not supervising the children.

If the ratio is 1:17 then he should have been acting as a teacher first and foremost. If it is 1:20 then, fine, but really, a day off at the zoo just because a school trip happens to be going somewhere fun for his kids.

I'm pretty peeved at this as I had to pay for the trip and wonder if I am paying for his family too.

What would you do ?

marriedinwhiteisback Thu 26-Sep-13 19:52:58

Well perhaps an extra woman was needed and there weren't enough female school staff/volunteers available (you know 13 year old girl starting her period on the trip or fainting due to cramps) and his wife went along (with the kids due to childcare) to stand in in the event of a problem.

I wouldn't have a problem with this, really I wouldn't. In fact my dd (who is 15) would probably have offered to look after the children and have had a better day as a result.

McNewPants2013 Thu 26-Sep-13 19:54:06

My DH, and many other people, don't get to go home at night but don't get the chance to have their families with them

so if you was allowed to go, you would simply decline because dp/dw/dh in suppose to be working.

curlew Thu 26-Sep-13 19:54:11

"My DH, and many other people, don't get to go home at night but don't get the chance to have their families with them so I don't see why a teacher can't do a school trip without their family"

Well obviously they can. But why should they? If they pay? Teachers don't get paid any extra for going on residential trips, you know.

Trifle Thu 26-Sep-13 19:55:13

There were no girls, it's a boys school, a private one too so the state is not subsidising anyone.

My dad was a teacher. He was the teacher who always took kids on residential trips at his high school ... And he would always take us and mum. Ok this was in the early 1970s but we had a fab time as young kids with the big high school kids. My mum would be in charge of cooking whilst the teachers were doing all the activities. We would go camping at half term. Dad would do kayaking, orienteering, climbing and basic woodcraft with the kids. I went to Italy and Paris with his 6th form when I was in my 6th form at another school.

I know this doesn't answer op but it brought it all back to me with smiles....

pozzled Thu 26-Sep-13 19:57:08

Are you sure that it was actually a working day for the teacher? I used to work three days and I considered taking my toddler on a trip that fell on one of my days off. I wouldn't have counted in the adult- child ratios and wouldn't have been paid- strictly voluntary. I didn't do it in the end, for various reasons, but I can easily see it happpening in other schools.

SilverApples Thu 26-Sep-13 19:57:28

Private schools write their own rules, go and have a stomp and snarl with the head teacher.

UnicornsNotRiddenByGrownUps Thu 26-Sep-13 19:58:07

The words you are probably looking for is "thank-you"!

He took his family on a school trip where he was working non-stop 24hrs a day for a week to provide an experience for your child? What a bastard!

biscuit

Drinkprunesbutstaynexttotheloo Thu 26-Sep-13 19:58:55

I once took my des on an excursion. It was a day I wasn't supposed to be working, so I was actually going on a day off. But parents wouldn't have known that.
OP is expressing a similar attitude to one I've heard from children "do you get to go on this trip fur free miss? Er yes and it is far from a holiday for me to take lots of kids canoeing, of that I am sure!

cees Thu 26-Sep-13 19:59:25

YANBU

I can see where your coming from Trifle, he is at work and his focus should be on the kids in his care.

I can just imagine what people would say if something awful happened to one of those pupils while he was off with his family.

curlew Thu 26-Sep-13 20:00:08

Oh, a private school! That explains everything. No, of course they should be properly supervised, not left to run riot like the hoi polloi....grin

BoundandRebound Thu 26-Sep-13 20:00:13

It is unprofessional and we wouldn't allow a teacher / staff member to take members of their family on a school trip.

littlemisswise Thu 26-Sep-13 20:01:04

I wouldn't go McNewPants because my DH is working 12 hour days, 6 days a week then has a secondary duty. I, also, have 2 children to consider.

curlew Thu 26-Sep-13 20:01:08

Seriously though, 13 year olds at the zoo just need to be told when to turn up at the lunch place, then the coach home. No supervision necessary.

ShatnersBassoon Thu 26-Sep-13 20:02:51

Definitely write to the Head, simply because I really want to see the response.

marriedinwhiteisback Thu 26-Sep-13 20:03:01

Sorry OP but my DC go to private schools and one of the lovely things is the sense of community and how well we have got to know some of the staff and some of their families. I really, really wouldn't have a problem with this. Our DS has left this year and we have made some lifelong friends and watched some of their DC grow up and join the school on subsidised places because they are staff and I have no problem with that whatsoever.

MadBannersAndCopPorn Thu 26-Sep-13 20:03:14

I agree with most posters on here that there's no problem with bringing family members on trips especially as it was his wife who probably did most of the looking after of the children whilst he worked.
If he'd brought six kids with him and no other help then maybe a reason to get annoyed.
They will have paid their way no doubt...
I'm sure their presence didn't affect your dd or the level of safety in the slightest; it meant that the teacher's family got a trip out without having to organise it/ do it on a precious(sp) weekend

MoominMammasHandbag Thu 26-Sep-13 20:03:22

All you teachers who are paying for your school trips are missing out. My teacher BiL is always getting freebie trips abroad - I assumed that was standard practice to be honest.

NotYoMomma Thu 26-Sep-13 20:04:55

you make it sound like a freebie holiday. he is working

curlew Thu 26-Sep-13 20:05:43

Teachers don't pay.

However, I bet your BIL's "freebie trips abroad" are pretty stressful and hard work!

Kayakinggirl86 Thu 26-Sep-13 20:05:51

In the last academic year I have spent 23 weekends away running field trips and d of e hikes! Plus revision weeks during holidays.
If staff are not allowed to take other halfs- one we would never have enough qualified people to run d of e- or would I see my family.
Teachers don't get paid extra to give up hours and hours of there life planning trips for your dc, or the time on the trip it's self.

enjolraslove Thu 26-Sep-13 20:07:09

Plenty of jobs involve travel and for plenty of those families accompany the person working. As a kid I travelled quite a bit as my dads job required.
Some may not have that option but that doesn't mean all shouldn't.

Groovee Thu 26-Sep-13 20:12:07

If it's bothering you that much, go to the head about it!

doobeedee Thu 26-Sep-13 20:13:20

This is completely normal and not a problem at all as long as ratios (which are only guidelines) are sensible. Trip organisers often get discounted places for their families from the travel companies.

Tinlegs Thu 26-Sep-13 20:13:48

Have my actual first ever biscuit

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