to not understand why those with lower income get free childcare even if they don't work

(434 Posts)
PrincessScrumpy Tue 03-Sep-13 13:47:18

2 mums from a toddler group I go to are on income support and their DC start their free 2 days a week at nursery at the age of 2. I have dd1 age 5, and dtds 2. We couldn't afford childcare for 2 babies so I had to cut my hours by more than half and work from home around dc which is hard but we wouldn't cover the bills if I didn't. obviously twins was a surprise and a huge financial hit so savings are very low/almost non existent.

Anyway, I have another year until my dtds get free childcare while a lady with one dc gets it at age 2 despite having no intention to work. This feels really unfair and I just don't get the reasoning.
I'm not trying to benefit bash but it's hard not to feel angry. Willing to accept iabu, but can't help feeling this way.

nikaia60 Mon 02-Dec-13 16:09:36

Pretty appropriate really given my sleep situation!

TheBigJessie Mon 02-Dec-13 15:54:28

ZOMBIE THREAD!

pianodoodle Mon 02-Dec-13 15:50:46

We barely scrape by on my p/t hours and DH's f/t, but don't qualify for the 15 hours until DD is 3.

Frankly I'm glad! I imagine if we were in the situation of qualifying for that extra year we'd be in a much worse place than we are now, and I don't envy anyone who is.

I hope they take full advantage and their kids enjoy nursery.

MrsMook Mon 02-Dec-13 15:37:30

My friend has been told that she'll be eligable for the free hours at 2. It will be a great help to her as being a wheelchair user, getting around with a young toddler is logisticly hard. That "me" time will make simple functions like appointments and shopping much simpler.

Another friend had it for her 2 year old due to her anxiety and aggrophobia issues.

nikaia60 Mon 02-Dec-13 15:23:47

princess - on the plus side she's only getting 'lovely me time' because the gov deems her parenting lacking. think of that each time she gloats!! At least you have the satisfaction that you brought your children up yourself

Blimey, what a terrible, horribly judgmental thing to say. It makes me feel really sad that people like the woman that posted that buy into these false stereotypes - we're either middle class supermums doing a fantastic job, or we're feckless chavs sitting at home on benefits doing a shit job at parenting.

I now qualify for free early education for my 2 year old daughter. Earlier this year my husband left me, with two children under 4, neither of whom sleep properly - so I get between 2 and 4 hours sleep a night. I used to run my own business part time but have had to stop trading as I am barely functioning at the moment, and will therefore go onto Income Support and my daughter will get a free nursery place. This will give me some very much needed time to myself (I will be using my 'lovely me time' to catch up on sleep so that I can be in the right place mentally to be the mum I want to be - not to go shopping, get my nails done or watch TV) Life is pretty tough right now, but I know other people have a harder time so I'm not trying to tell my big sob story. Just want to point out that those people who qualify for this funding do so because they - and their dc's - need extra support. NOT because they have been deemed to be a crap parent!!
By the way dreamingofsun, you're not actually Katie Hopkins, are you?

TwasBrillig Fri 06-Sep-13 16:26:02

Off? Odd that we're eligible.

TwasBrillig Fri 06-Sep-13 16:25:32

I've recently found out we qualify (husband was in a good job, recently made redundant). Its a bit odd but I suspect I'll take it up as its offered. I have ill health and don't have a support network so it will be well appreciated, even though that wasn't treason we're eligible.

I'm not sure if it will benefit my daughter any more than being with me but I think it will it will help me get some voluntary experience so I canhopefully go back to work.

It does seem off we're eligible for it, and it doesn't get taken off us when husband returns to work (hopefully).

morethanpotatoprints Thu 05-Sep-13 20:48:55

OP, you have a job, savings and can afford to cut down your hours and still pay the bills.
The free 15 hours is for education for those children worse off than yours.
It is not free childcare and only available to the disadvantaged in some way.
Why not thank your lucky ass that you are not entitled to the free 15 hours, rather than moaning about the unfairness of it all.

alemci Thu 05-Sep-13 20:33:43

yes I can and it is a good thing in those scenarios chunderella smile

Chunderella Thu 05-Sep-13 20:19:03

Alemci can you see that some of the DC who qualify do so because they have parents who are ill, or disabled, or have SEN or are looking after a sibling who has problems? So the parents having to do a voluntary task wouldn't necessarily be possible. And that some of the parents work, so they wouldn't be available anyway?

alemci Thu 05-Sep-13 19:21:26

I can't read it all but I do still agree with ops take on it.

ooh I take your point about helping the dc catch up.

Sirzy Thu 05-Sep-13 19:00:37

Alemic - try reading the thread!

hettienne Thu 05-Sep-13 18:55:16

Disadvantaged children are getting one extra year of 15 hours early education alemci, to help them catch up with their more advantaged peers. It's not about the parents.

alemci Thu 05-Sep-13 18:39:01

YANBU - it would irritate me too. If they don't work, why do they need to get free childcare when working parents have to pay for it.

I do understand that it is to socialise their dc Perhaps if the parent had to do some sort of voluntary task whilst their dc were cared for in nursery then it would seem fairer.

alot of working parents are struggling to pay for childcare so it doesn't seem right.

LimitedEditionLady Thu 05-Sep-13 18:31:51

Dont like seeing that at all.That really gets my goat.

brdgrl Thu 05-Sep-13 18:16:27

Limited, if I may speak up for sashh - I believe she was being sarcastic - it is a very nasty attitude, one that underlies the sort of benefit bashing seen on this thread and many others, and one (I think) that she was responding to, not endorsing.

LimitedEditionLady Thu 05-Sep-13 17:55:15

Thats a bit harsh,the nasty kids from the council dragging your kids down?whats wrong with kids from.council estates?im from a council estate.I was not a nasty child or had feckless parents.My parents brought me up very well thanks,i was by far never behind in any way.Dont say things like that.That is very narrow minded and offensive.

sashh Thu 05-Sep-13 05:42:42

I would be interested to understand the reasoning too!

Because children from disadvantages families have been entering school totally unprepared and a year developmentally behind your little darling(s).

So it is for your benefit too, so the nasty children from the council estate don't drag your children down in reception.

<generalising, not all deprived children live on council estates or have feckless parents>

Phineyj Wed 04-Sep-13 21:56:28

Yes it is for the children but the side effect is, it gives the parents a break. I can see that might be annoying if you are struggling and don't qualify.

YANBU for feeling that way but YABU because if there wasn't such a policy the DC probably wouldn't go and there would be knock on problems later.

diaimchlo Wed 04-Sep-13 20:37:43

When will people stop stereotyping????? Every time I see a thread on MN where an OP says they are not 'benefit bashing' you can guarantee it happens, maybe not by the OP but the stereotypers come out in droves.

To to reiterate THIS IS FOR THE CHILDREN NOT TO GIVE THE PARENTS A BREAK.

LimitedEditionLady Wed 04-Sep-13 19:43:19

Yeah you wouldve qualified with mh issues and on income support

OddBoots Wed 04-Sep-13 19:25:11

SlobAtHome some areas had pilot projects but this has only come in for most of the country now, it's a fairly new thing.

SlobAtHome Wed 04-Sep-13 19:23:53

DS and I both suffered from my mental health issues. We both needed the break, and it's only since working that I am completely ok.

SlobAtHome Wed 04-Sep-13 19:22:51

Holy crap, I was on income support for being a lone parent. You're telling me I could have had 15 hours free from the age of 2? sad

Instead of being sat at home all day long, totally alone, with a small child, completely depressed and struggling? damn sad Wish I had known. My mental health only started getting better once I got the break of DS at preschool.

LimitedEditionLady Wed 04-Sep-13 19:20:10

I know they are i expressed the same?

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